The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Day After

ziggy said:

Think he means Dragon

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Ahh ok. Does it necessarily put you in a category as a Redknapp basher if you think he's done a great job rebuilding the team, has significantly strengthened our mentality against the top teams and given us consistency, whilst at the same time, been utterly uninspiring in the transfer market, and in his PR? Because that's the view I hold.

AZ1974 said:

This is becoming a joke now. Have you teleported to the future and seen this. :bang::bang:

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?? - Not me predicting the future. I think you will find that it was MattC.

Matt C said:

Carroll will be talked about in 5 years time as maybe the best centre forward in the world, he is far better at 22 than Shearer was and look how Shearer turned out, fees of £50-60m will be talked about in terms of him, wouldn't be surprised if he gets 25+ goals next season

He is a combination of Shearer and Berbatov with a bit of Mark Hughes thrown in and it is a fuck up of all fuck ups that we didn't get him

The £35m will turn out to be a snip

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When Carroll scores 30+ in a season, then you can compare him to Shearer

When he controls an 80 yard long pass like a 5 yard pass along the ground, then you can compare him to Berbagod

He might score as many as Hughes did in his career, but he definitely won't win anything near what Hughes did. Premier Leagues, FA Cups, League Cups, European trophies, notice they are all plural meaning more than one. If he wins half of what Hughes has he might get close to what you're saying he'll be, but he wont!

Lets not forget since Redknapp took over we have been more competitive against the so called big four except Man.u. Do you remember when Martin Jol, Glenn Hoddle I loved of these guys a spurs fan but we could not beat any of the top four. Lets not forget the bad managers we had before Redknapp. George Graham, Juande Romas(very overrated) Gerry Francis.

Nothing wrong with Levy or Redknapp. Would rather they stayed on board.

I'd suggest a DoF. Tkasaki or whatever his name is available as is Arnesen.

ha ha ha I love all this ITK its very biased towards 'bashing' Redknapp, much like a lot of posters on here towards the end of the window.

many many people said when Redknapp took over 'I wonder how long it'll take before the Yid Faithful turn on Redknapp'

seemingly not even CL football can stop this horrible lot.

it's fair enough to have an opinion but to continually harp on and on about how his still at pompey, only buys PL exp players, only buys his 'mates' is pathetic.

it really does make Spurs fans in general look like mugs.


Once Redknapp goes (and he will by summer 2012) once Bale is sold and we bring in our 'fancydan' Spanish manager and we once again fail to deceive, i wonder how long til the faithful will be calling for a British manager again who knows how to manage in the premiership and take us 'to the next level' (CL Football)

Redknapp doesn't do contracts or bid amounts.
he identifies players.

Regardless of age or creed if he thinks they can do a job, why doesn't the chairman back him?

Because if the Chairman wants success THIS season he needs to back him THIS season.

Positive

Lets get a bit of perspective on this. Two months ago we had the best squad in the prem and now reading some of these comments it would appear we have swapped our squad with Brentford!! Goals have dried up granted but every club has a dip in form through a season, and we will come out of this dip, we have top draw players throughout the team. On the Window, to be honest constant transfer speculation can only have a negative impact on the current players and their focus. My concern is there seems to be a complete lack of strategy about our targets, summed up by arry's description this morning of the Adam apporoach, ie "Daniel rang me and said what about Charlie Adam? I said yes he's a good player lets go for it" WE DONT NEED ANY MORE MIDFIELDERS!!!!!!!
Mancs, scum, chelski invariably keep very quiet over dealings, not us every target is leaked the ITK consistently spouts rubbish, if you name enough players eventually you'll get one right!! and it makes us a bit of a laughing stock.
Get behind them were as good as anybody in the top 4...

COYS

I don't think it helps particularly that Harry is constantly up for interview either via a press conference or passing in his 4x4 outside Spurs Lodge. It's certainly good from the media's point of view and I appreciate that journalists will ask probing questions about our transfer activity but it does make us look a tad amatuerish at times and quite irritating.

That being said he's still done an excellent job for us on the pitch and no one should forget that - I still remember how grim the 90's were and anyone else who does will know how much we have improved by.

Yep as most reasonable people are saying we need to move on and get behind the team... I think half of our problem is we're playing 4-5-1 and that doesnt really suit any of our strikers... If we could get a variation of 4-3-3 working or even 4 3 2 1 I think we would fair better...

We all know players like Defoe are capable of a lot more as is Crouch lets hope they come into some form between now and the summer...

YID ARMY!!!

Blockbuster said:

ha ha ha I love all this ITK its very biased towards 'bashing' Redknapp, much like a lot of posters on here towards the end of the window.

many many people said when Redknapp took over 'I wonder how long it'll take before the Yid Faithful turn on Redknapp'

seemingly not even CL football can stop this horrible lot.

it's fair enough to have an opinion but to continually harp on and on about how his still at pompey, only buys PL exp players, only buys his 'mates' is pathetic.

it really does make Spurs fans in general look like mugs.


Once Redknapp goes (and he will by summer 2012) once Bale is sold and we bring in our 'fancydan' Spanish manager and we once again fail to deceive, i wonder how long til the faithful will be calling for a British manager again who knows how to manage in the premiership and take us 'to the next level' (CL Football)

Redknapp doesn't do contracts or bid amounts.
he identifies players.

Regardless of age or creed if he thinks they can do a job, why doesn't the chairman back him?

Because if the Chairman wants success THIS season he needs to back him THIS season.

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This is a tremendous post. Blockbusting stuff. :up:

One small matter regarding Carroll. I dont think he was remotely interested in coming to us anyway. Even if we'd have bid the silly amount Newcastle wanted, he would've stayed nearer to home. Liverpool is probably as far out as he'd have travelled.

Neither of Rossi or Aguero were interested in coming to us sadly. I definitely think we were ambitious in this window. I always felt Suarez was the best we could've hoped for. Its a hard call to make though, because you never know if the risk will reward you or not.

I'm surprised people are so damn negative though. We certainly shouldn't write the season off. We've come so far already this season, sitting just behind 4th place and still in the Champions League. We still have a great squad. I would not be surprised if we finish top 4 still.

We really need to go all out for a top striker early in the summer. Even if we do miss out on top 4, we can still attract big names (just like VDV). We just got to learn to pay a little over the odds at times.

anyone got the free agent list surely there could be gem in there

Blockbuster said:

ha ha ha I love all this ITK its very biased towards 'bashing' Redknapp, much like a lot of posters on here towards the end of the window.

many many people said when Redknapp took over 'I wonder how long it'll take before the Yid Faithful turn on Redknapp'

seemingly not even CL football can stop this horrible lot.

it's fair enough to have an opinion but to continually harp on and on about how his still at pompey, only buys PL exp players, only buys his 'mates' is pathetic.

it really does make Spurs fans in general look like mugs.


Once Redknapp goes (and he will by summer 2012) once Bale is sold and we bring in our 'fancydan' Spanish manager and we once again fail to deceive, i wonder how long til the faithful will be calling for a British manager again who knows how to manage in the premiership and take us 'to the next level' (CL Football)

Redknapp doesn't do contracts or bid amounts.
he identifies players.

Regardless of age or creed if he thinks they can do a job, why doesn't the chairman back him?

Because if the Chairman wants success THIS season he needs to back him THIS season.

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I agree with the sentiment but the last part just doesn't stack up.

The Chairman rang Redknapp to say he thinks he can "do a deal" for a player Redknapp wants while Harry is having a spot of pasta and a glass of shiraz, wants to get the nod (which he gets) and tries his best to bring that player in regardless of the fact it is hardly a marquee player - how is this not backing the manager?

If the Chairman doesn't want success THIS season why did he put in numerous, numerous mind, record bids? Llorente? Aguero? Forlan? Rossi? Hardly ones for the future, right?


You're right about HR only identifying players. But where does that leave us in terms of accountability in our transfer dealings? Who carries the can? Who gets the credit? You make it clear that it can't be Redknapp either way, so it must be Levy. It's his team that finished 4th then...? That's hardly fair. :shrug:

mil1lion said:

One small matter regarding Carroll. I dont think he was remotely interested in coming to us anyway. Even if we'd have bid the silly amount Newcastle wanted, he would've stayed nearer to home. Liverpool is probably as far out as he'd have travelled.

Neither of Rossi or Aguero were interested in coming to us sadly. I definitely think we were ambitious in this window. I always felt Suarez was the best we could've hoped for. Its a hard call to make though, because you never know if the risk will reward you or not.

I'm surprised people are so damn negative though. We certainly shouldn't write the season off. We've come so far already this season, sitting just behind 4th place and still in the Champions League. We still have a great squad. I would not be surprised if we finish top 4 still.

We really need to go all out for a top striker early in the summer. Even if we do miss out on top 4, we can still attract big names (just like VDV). We just got to learn to pay a little over the odds at times.

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Quite right.

You also have to wonder about the reaction on here if we had spent 35m on Carroll last night and woke up to the player being widely quoted as saying "I never wanted to leave Newcastle. I was forced out. I just signed a deal and was happy there."

Or maybe you don't have to wonder at all...

mil1lion said:

One small matter regarding Carroll. I dont think he was remotely interested in coming to us anyway. Even if we'd have bid the silly amount Newcastle wanted, he would've stayed nearer to home. Liverpool is probably as far out as he'd have travelled.

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And he's one training ground bust up or drunken night out away from doing a stretch inside.

Dream outcome: Suarez bites AC's ear off - gets banned, AC breaks Suarez's jaw in retaliation - gets banned and sent down.

You have to wonder how things work though when in Redklnapp's own words (last night on SSN) he says " well Daniel rang me and said what d'you think of Charlie Adam, and i said ye he's a good player i like Charlie so the chairman says i think we might be able to do a deal, so we were going to give it a try but with like four minutes to go to the end of the window we needed a couple of their board members to sign some paper work so it didnt happen" (or words to that effect).

Which all makes me think WTF??? It's not like your Mrs being at the supermarket and calling you to say "Alright love what do you reckon of lamb chops for tea...ye i love lamb chops....ok i think i can get a good deal at the supermarket......excellent....but the shops closing in five minutes so got to get to the checkout....bye!

What kind of strategy is that for buying fucking players.....seriously!! Stick to the shopping list.....if you bloody have one!

This season was always going to be difficult, juggling CL both physically and mentally was going to take its toll. The fact that we are 5th is in fact more than I hoped for. For our squad, as good as it is to assault both fronts to the point where we were being mentioned as possible (all be it outsiders) contenders to the Prem title is a massive achievement. We've not been brilliant this season in the league, yet picked up the wins when it counted. Once the CL adventure comes to a close, most probably in a glorious defeat to AC Milan, we'll be primed to push on in the league.

Not getting a striker was one thing, Harry 'not identifying his targets' is a strange one. It seems he gave a list to Levy and that included Carroll at the top. That wasn't possible so when the other names, particularly Suarez came up, it is understandable to be hesitant. Just look at the opposing opinions on here that you get each time someone is mentioend?
Harry and his staff were evidently split, which is not a good circumstance under which to sign someone.
Harry gets a lot of credit for getting us CL, but when the Sky camera's pan the bench, you can't help but think he is merely a cog in a big machine, that consists of Bond, Jordan and Allen (as well as Sherwood and Ferdinand).
Thats our coaching unit, Harry does the motivating, the others the technical coaching. Harry might say "yeah, I like Suarez" Bond might disagree, Jordan might side with either, Allen might say "not suited to prem, don't think he will fit into our tactical plans X, Y and Z ".
Our main target (Carroll) wasn't available to us, he sounds as if he never would have left Newcastle if he wasn't forced out. They wouldn't have forced him out for the inflated £18m or so we would have offered. Then what? Harry gets the plaudits and the big bucks, so sure he is held accountable, but there is more to consider when buying a player than the thoughts of just him.
It is not just the risk of losing £28m, it is the risk of upsetting the applecart. We've a bloody good team ethic, sure the importance of that isn't lost on our coaching staff.

Bill_Oddie said:

You're right about HR only identifying players. But where does that leave us in terms of accountability in our transfer dealings? Who carries the can? Who gets the credit? You make it clear that it can't be Redknapp either way, so it must be Levy. It's his team that finished 4th then...? That's hardly fair. :shrug:

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Noone.

The manager highlights the player(s) he wants and its up to DL and others to get them. A fee or wages can't be agreed because of the figures involved, is that the chairmans fault for not having the money or the managers fault for identifying players that are too expensive?

The manager can only identify players that improve us and the chairman can only try his best to sign them, sometimes it doesn't happen and not alot could be done about it.

Bus-Conductor said:

Dragon's ITK is a bit confusing, on one hand he blames Levy, then says we agreed a deal (presumably Suarez) only for Redknapp to back out. Then goes on to blame Redknapp's small team mentality and scouting.

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In the original COYS post he titled it "Time for HR & DL to go" or something like that

mil1lion said:

One small matter regarding Carroll. I dont think he was remotely interested in coming to us anyway. Even if we'd have bid the silly amount Newcastle wanted, he would've stayed nearer to home. Liverpool is probably as far out as he'd have travelled.

Neither of Rossi or Aguero were interested in coming to us sadly. I definitely think we were ambitious in this window. I always felt Suarez was the best we could've hoped for. Its a hard call to make though, because you never know if the risk will reward you or not.

I'm surprised people are so damn negative though. We certainly shouldn't write the season off. We've come so far already this season, sitting just behind 4th place and still in the Champions League. We still have a great squad. I would not be surprised if we finish top 4 still.

We really need to go all out for a top striker early in the summer. Even if we do miss out on top 4, we can still attract big names (just like VDV). We just got to learn to pay a little over the odds at times.

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Great post and says most of what i've been thinking:clap: