The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 29 July 2011

haslemereyid · Jul 29, 2011

Grey Fox said:
I have been loitering on here for a while now, put a few posts on, but mainly loitering. I have a confession to make I was Appy as Arry on COYS, but got banned for saying I didn't like Cryptic ITK there was no slagging off of anyone, just a simple statement :roll: hey ho

Someone can Pm if they like, but i don't intend to post ITK anymore, because of the abuse and snidy comments by people who think we are all wums or they are playing football manager and the world should be simple.

What I wanted to comment on is that people are not placing enough importance to Harry's legal problems. The club is seriousley worried about the outcome and I ask the question " If you were DL would you spunk £25-£30m on a player that a potential new manager might not want?"

If any one is interested I believe we will see some outgoings in the next few days followed by incomings I have supported this club for 48 years and apart from a couple of seasons this is the best position we have been in for that time. Keep the faith and belief.

A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

the above begins to explain a lot about this windows inactivity - we really need the court case over and done with or it will begin to feel like DL is running the business and the football side

Benny D · Jul 29, 2011

haslemereyid said:
the above begins to explain a lot about this windows inactivity - we really need the court case over and done with or it will begin to feel like DL is running the business and the football side

I read the case could be delayed for up to a year due to the judge's illness and rescheduling. Which would put paid to any ambition Harry has of managing England.

haslemereyid · Jul 29, 2011

Benny D said:
I read the case could be delayed for up to a year due to the judge's illness and rescheduling. Which would put paid to any ambition Harry has of managing England.

dont know whether thats a good outcome for us or not:shrug:

$hoguN · Jul 29, 2011

This is not a dig at anyone by why on Earth would Levy be bothered about a future manager not wanting a 30 million player? As surely if a player is worth that sort of money any manager should be happy to have them.

If Harry was to go tomorrow, you would bet your left nut that any potential manager we got would be happy to have VDV, Bale and Modric at his disposal, and the same thought should apply to any player we were willing to spend that sort of money on

pythonboy · Jul 29, 2011

haslemereyid said:
dont know whether thats a good outcome for us or not:shrug:

Well it might mean Levy will dig deeper into his pockets.

pythonboy · Jul 29, 2011

$hoguN said:
This is not a dig at anyone by why on Earth would Levy be bothered about a future manager not wanting a 30 million player? As surely if a player is worth that sort of money any manager should be happy to have them.

If Harry was to go tomorrow, you would bet your left nut that any potential manager we got would be happy to have VDV, Bale and Modric at his disposal, and the same thought should apply to any player we were willing to spend that sort of money on

Bang on as far as I'm concerned, can't see a problem in having talented players to come in and work with.

Snuzzy · Jul 29, 2011

"but I was looking forward to working closely with Peter Crouch and Robbie Keane!"

Alfieconnman · Jul 29, 2011

Just heard on Talkshite that QPR may be about to be sold. This could be good news as an avenue for some of our deadwood, particularly those that want to stay in London. I also seem to recall that QPR may have been PSB's boyhood club.

Grey Fox · Jul 29, 2011

$hoguN said:
This is not a dig at anyone by why on Earth would Levy be bothered about a future manager not wanting a 30 million player? As surely if a player is worth that sort of money any manager should be happy to have them.

If Harry was to go tomorrow, you would bet your left nut that any potential manager we got would be happy to have VDV, Bale and Modric at his disposal, and the same thought should apply to any player we were willing to spend that sort of money on

Because they all have their favourites and ideal player types. For argument sake say we buy 2 players from Madrid and then a miracle happens and Muareen becomes our manager its probably bye bye for those 2 + VDV as well.

DoublePivot · Jul 29, 2011

Grey Fox said:
I have been loitering on here for a while now, put a few posts on, but mainly loitering. I have a confession to make I was Appy as Arry on COYS, but got banned for saying I didn't like Cryptic ITK there was no slagging off of anyone, just a simple statement :roll: hey ho

Someone can Pm if they like, but i don't intend to post ITK anymore, because of the abuse and snidy comments by people who think we are all wums or they are playing football manager and the world should be simple.

What I wanted to comment on is that people are not placing enough importance to Harry's legal problems. The club is seriousley worried about the outcome and I ask the question " If you were DL would you spunk £25-£30m on a player that a potential new manager might not want?"

If any one is interested I believe we will see some outgoings in the next few days followed by incomings I have supported this club for 48 years and apart from a couple of seasons this is the best position we have been in for that time. Keep the faith and belief.

A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

There has been rumor (from Archie over at SO) that the court date has been pushed back until Nov. Although there is news in the Case thread saying a date is about to be given. Say it is November, can Levy continue to nickle and dime our transfers to wait this out? What happens if Harry's case gets pushed off again. I believe that Levy is considering the case and is very reticent to put money into Harry signings until its clear. But how long can he do that?

ajspurs said:
I don't think Levy wondering if he should spend big money (not necessarily £25-30m) should be a big issue. If we're buying quality players, any manager should be happy and able to work with them you would have thought.

I understand that different managers may want to play a certain way and would then require different types of players but also, if this was such a big issue and the reason why we haven't done anything yet (which I don't really believe) we should have parted ways with Harry after the season ended.

Viper said:
I dont see this as a problem, what manager in there right mind would not want a 25-35 mil player like Rossi or Falcao in the side ahead of what we currently have!? It's risk free as far as im concerned.

1) 25-30 would be massive to us, so a new manager would have no money to spend for a while. And new managers always spend. So nobody would want to be handcuffed

2) Valuing player status over systematic capability is just wrong.

Look at Bentley. When he had a healthy RSC he was great. He's not had a proper CF, having to deal with Crouch or Zigic at best, since. There's a reason things haven't worked out. The system and the man aren't compatible.

Also under Ramos and then Harry, we had no role for a slow winger that doesn't tuck in. Here's our biggest outlay of cash and he's a flop because his strengths are too far removed from the system to work.

The fact is that if we go and spend 25 million on a player and get a new manager, the player might not fit the managers system. That's a major issue. Then he either has to change the system to accommodate and this could cause failure (see Ramos) or he alienates the player (and wastes the money).

Look at how many players Harry hated from the word go, from the Comolli era. So yes, many manager would like Rossi, but many might not think he fits what they want to do.

You can afford to get some 10 million pound player and take the hit, but not a massive signing like that.

S17PUR · Jul 29, 2011

$hoguN said:
This is not a dig at anyone by why on Earth would Levy be bothered about a future manager not wanting a 30 million player? As surely if a player is worth that sort of money any manager should be happy to have them.

If Harry was to go tomorrow, you would bet your left nut that any potential manager we got would be happy to have VDV, Bale and Modric at his disposal, and the same thought should apply to any player we were willing to spend that sort of money on

Exactly. Would a new manager rather have Crouch and Defoe or Vucinic and Rossi? It makes no sense not to buy a new top class striker because our manager MIGHT have to leave at SOME point, and a new manager MIGHT have preferred a different striker.

steventhfc · Jul 29, 2011

Bernie Ecclestone is selling QPR to some guy at Lotus for 100 mil. Hopefully that gives them money to buy our crocks of dogshit.

haslemereyid · Jul 29, 2011

$hoguN said:
This is not a dig at anyone by why on Earth would Levy be bothered about a future manager not wanting a 30 million player? As surely if a player is worth that sort of money any manager should be happy to have them.

If Harry was to go tomorrow, you would bet your left nut that any potential manager we got would be happy to have VDV, Bale and Modric at his disposal, and the same thought should apply to any player we were willing to spend that sort of money on

jose wouldnt be

Bus-Conductor · Jul 29, 2011

$hoguN said:
This is not a dig at anyone by why on Earth would Levy be bothered about a future manager not wanting a 30 million player? As surely if a player is worth that sort of money any manager should be happy to have them.

If Harry was to go tomorrow, you would bet your left nut that any potential manager we got would be happy to have VDV, Bale and Modric at his disposal, and the same thought should apply to any player we were willing to spend that sort of money on

You would have thought Hoddle would have preferred the second highest scorer in CL history (at the time) who cost us 11m to Gary Doherty up front wouldn't you ?

I understand what you're saying, but I think Levy is already frustrated that we are having to shift about 60m worth of Redknapp's purchases made in the last 2 & 1/2 years. Keane 15, Defoe 15, Crouch 9, Bassong 8, Palaiocs 14.

RichSpur58 · Jul 29, 2011

fazza said:
lol @ Eto'o :lol:

People never learn do they?

markiespurs · Jul 29, 2011

steventhfc said:
Bernie Ecclestone is selling QPR to some guy at Lotus for 100 mil. Hopefully that gives them money to buy our crocks of dogshit.

I know it's the Sun, but their linking Keane with a move to QPR

S17PUR · Jul 29, 2011

DoublePivot said:
There has been rumor (from Archie over at SO) that the court date has been pushed back until Nov. Although there is news in the Case thread saying a date is about to be given. Say it is November, can Levy continue to nickle and dime our transfers to wait this out? What happens if Harry's case gets pushed off again. I believe that Levy is considering the case and is very reticent to put money into Harry signings until its clear. But how long can he do that?

1) 25-30 would be massive to us, so a new manager would have no money to spend for a while. And new managers always spend. So nobody would want to be handcuffed

2) Valuing player status over systematic capability is just wrong.

Look at Bentley. When he had a healthy RSC he was great. He's not had a proper CF, having to deal with Crouch or Zigic at best, since. There's a reason things haven't worked out. The system and the man aren't compatible.

Also under Ramos and then Harry, we had no role for a slow winger that doesn't tuck in. Here's our biggest outlay of cash and he's a flop because his strengths are too far removed from the system to work.

The fact is that if we go and spend 25 million on a player and get a new manager, the player might not fit the managers system. That's a major issue. Then he either has to change the system to accommodate and this could cause failure (see Ramos) or he alienates the player (and wastes the money).

Look at how many players Harry hated from the word go, from the Comolli era. So yes, many manager would like Rossi, but many might not think he fits what they want to do.

You can afford to get some 10 million pound player and take the hit, but not a massive signing like that.

1. Presumably a new manager would be handcuffed by the transfer window anyway? Surely he'd rather have a higher caliber of player during this time. New managers often sell players too, so if he needs funds then he could sell to buy.

2. If you're a great manager you get the best out of whatever players you have and you find a system that works for those players.

We mistakenly bought Bentley off the back of some fine form for Blackburn and underestimated the ability of Aaron Lennon. Bentley is suffering from poor morale, but he's also simply not as good as people thought he was. The game is also changing and pace is increasingly important - it's the same reason Kranjcar will never be world class despite being very talented.

The shortcomings of our strikers are not wholly due to our system (though it actually didn't help us playing 4-5-1) but due to them not being talented enough players. Hence why I think we should still be looking for a t'riffic striker, regardless of Harry's situation.

Stoof · Jul 29, 2011

All of this discussion being entirely ITK related of course ...

fazza · Jul 29, 2011

RichSpur58 said:
People never learn do they?

Enlighten us oh great one :bowdown:

spurslenny · Jul 29, 2011

I'm coming around to thinking that I prefered the days of refreshing ceefax every 45 seconds to see if we'd signed anyone.

At least in those days we had no false ideas of what was going on behind the scenes.

Ignorance is bliss.

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