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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 29 July 2011

bomberH

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DL wanted Suarez but couldn't buy a player the manager didn't want. Fabiano, Forlan, Dzeko, J Cole, Bellamy - how are they all doing at the moment?

Harry has spent most of the summer pushing for players on insane wages when if we'd gone for Vucinic earlier he could be a Spurs player by now.

Anyway, still time for a rabbit out of the hat and I've no idea what the latest is on Vucinic.


Does he mean these are all players Harry wanted but Levy didn't? If so, i think that's a shit point. For instance, anyone in their right mind would've bought Dzeko at the time and Forlan was on fire too. Just because they've had a disappointing year or so since, doesn't mean they wouldn't have been great for us. Let's not buy Rossi then, in case he's shit. Or have i misread it and is he saying Harry was right for not buying them (though the post seems to be slightly anti Harry so prob not).

And i don't understand the insane wages bit either. Levy would say to Harry we can't afford the wages of these players, and that would be the end of it. So if the ITK was true, then it would appear to be Levy's fault for carrying out pointless requests instead of telling Harry to look for someone else. But Peanut's post insinuates it's Harry's fault. Can't blame Harry for wanting the best players. Can't blame Levy for saying we can't afford them, especially with the OS going tits up.

I need a poo.
 

Supersi32

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The players Harry has been pushing for on insane wages are the world class strikers we need to push on to be fair...As I`ve said before I admire Levy, but he constantly talks the talk but never walks the walk...It shows that Harry would like to bring in top top players, whilst Levy wants something for nothing....I hear what others say about not doing a Leeds which is fair enough, but then we shouldn`t really complain when we don`t make CL and our best players want to leave...Until we get a new stadium we are stuck in no mans land unless Levy takes a calculated gamble and pays top dollar in wages for a top striker, the money will easily be recouped with the inevitable sale of Bale and Modric if we don`t make CL...Peanut is a top ITK, but also one of the most pesimestic...If Levy wants to show ambition then he should do something about it.
 

werty

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Does he mean these are all players Harry wanted but Levy didn't? If so, i think that's a shit point. For instance, anyone in their right mind would've bought Dzeko at the time and Forlan was on fire too. Just because they've had a disappointing year or so since, doesn't mean they wouldn't have been great for us. Let's not buy Rossi then, in case he's shit. Or have i misread it and is he saying Harry was right for not buying them (though the post seems to be slightly anti Harry so prob not).

And i don't understand the insane wages bit either. Levy would say to Harry we can't afford the wages of these players, and that would be the end of it. So if the ITK was true, then it would appear to be Levy's fault for carrying out pointless requests instead of telling Harry to look for someone else. But Peanut's post insinuates it's Harry's fault. Can't blame Harry for wanting the best players. Can't blame Levy for saying we can't afford them, especially with the OS going tits up.

I need a poo.
Agree with this, especially the second paragraph.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I've been rational up until now but when Peanut whose information I trust 100%, mentions the word "desperation" it's seriously worrying.

Please Levy don't let us down.
 

Spurvert

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Harry wanting world class players is fair enough, it shows ambition

Levy saying they beyond our reach is pragmatic

There needs to be a compromise and surely Vucinic is that?
 

rawhide

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Does he mean these are all players Harry wanted but Levy didn't? If so, i think that's a shit point. For instance, anyone in their right mind would've bought Dzeko at the time and Forlan was on fire too. Just because they've had a disappointing year or so since, doesn't mean they wouldn't have been great for us. Let's not buy Rossi then, in case he's shit. Or have i misread it and is he saying Harry was right for not buying them (though the post seems to be slightly anti Harry so prob not).

And i don't understand the insane wages bit either. Levy would say to Harry we can't afford the wages of these players, and that would be the end of it. So if the ITK was true, then it would appear to be Levy's fault for carrying out pointless requests instead of telling Harry to look for someone else. But Peanut's post insinuates it's Harry's fault. Can't blame Harry for wanting the best players. Can't blame Levy for saying we can't afford them, especially with the OS going tits up.

I need a poo.

I agree with the third paragraph
 

hybridsoldier

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It was never Harry's call on Suarez, the scouts he sent all said that Suarez was a number 10 who dropped deep or could play wide left (where he may play this season for Liverpool). Harry wanted a CF to score goals. Scouts badly let him down on that one.

I dunno what people want on here, I am sure the club are trying to do a financially viable deal but its so tough. I am sure Levy would spend the money if they were sure over the player. The problem is you look around and how many players are worth these mega 20m+ fees?

Rossi has had ONE GOOD SEASON, last summer he could have been sold for maybe 12-15m Euro really. He has shown a great ability to hold up the ball playing as the lone front man...is this possible in the PL? It is a question mark.

Aguero looks like a real quality player but the transfer fee and wages is something only the biggest clubs can afford.

Adebayor again you struggle to justify paying 15-20m plus 150-170k a week for a player who has undoubted quality but has only shown it in intermittent patches.

Like reecey said, we are not in the CL, we are not stupidrich wiping our arses with £50 notes. Spurs is one of the few clubs run well within their own means, If Financial Fair Play came into force and actually worked properly us and Arsenal would be the best positioned clubs in the country. I have no problem with this...Levy is keeping my club alive and very very well...its not about just surviving we are pushing against teams with mental budgets against ours.

People need to calm down, the best thing is we are not losing our best players
 

ajspurs

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Seriously though, if true, how can we be chasing players with huge wages for so long that it almost fucks up our window?

Surely we know pretty quickly who's in our price range in terms of wages and who's not.
 

Supersi32

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It was never Harry's call on Suarez, the scouts he sent all said that Suarez was a number 10 who dropped deep or could play wide left (where he may play this season for Liverpool). Harry wanted a CF to score goals. Scouts badly let him down on that one.

I dunno what people want on here, I am sure the club are trying to do a financially viable deal but its so tough. I am sure Levy would spend the money if they were sure over the player. The problem is you look around and how many players are worth these mega 20m+ fees?

Rossi has had ONE GOOD SEASON, last summer he could have been sold for maybe 12-15m Euro really. He has shown a great ability to hold up the ball playing as the lone front man...is this possible in the PL? It is a question mark.

Aguero looks like a real quality player but the transfer fee and wages is something only the biggest clubs can afford.

Adebayor again you struggle to justify paying 15-20m plus 150-170k a week for a player who has undoubted quality but has only shown it in intermittent patches.

Like reecey said, we are not in the CL, we are not stupidrich wiping our arses with £50 notes. Spurs is one of the few clubs run well within their own means, If Financial Fair Play came into force and actually worked properly us and Arsenal would be the best positioned clubs in the country. I have no problem with this...Levy is keeping my club alive and very very well...its not about just surviving we are pushing against teams with mental budgets against ours.

People need to calm down, the best thing is we are not losing our best players

Agree with your comments and they are all valid except the bit in bold...We may not lose any this season, but inevitably we will if we fail to make CL, and really we shouldn`t be complaining.
 

whitelightwhiteheat

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I think next summer, if we fail to make the top 4, we will all be expecting the mass exodus of our best players. Bale, Modric, maybe VDV will undoubtedly want to leave. And we will be in a weak position to argue our case.

Right now we can say "You owe us another season" but next summer there'll be none of that. And we, as fans, will be prepared for the backlash. Shit happens.

Players come and go at the end of the day. Loyalty is not something we should expect, that's fairly clear from this summer's antics.
 

specspurs

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Harry wanting world class players is fair enough, it shows ambition

Levy saying they beyond our reach is pragmatic

There needs to be a compromise and surely Vucinic is that?

Totally agree .

But the second last word should be changed to 'was'.
 

markiespurs

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Peanuts info is always very accurate, but the salt is still needed with his posts because he seems to have a pro Levy\anti Harry agenda at times.
 

PT

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Agree with your comments and they are all valid except the bit in bold...We may not lose any this season, but inevitably we will if we fail to make CL, and really we shouldn`t be complaining.
If we mortgage the Club's very existence in order to obtain CL qualification opportunity, I'd rather we didn't and went for Europe via Europa and build the club brick by brick.
 

ajspurs

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Peanuts info is always very accurate, but the salt is still needed with his posts because he seems to have a pro Levy\anti Harry agenda at times.

Yea, I still personally don't greatly believe the supposed rift between Harry and Levy also, if it was as problematic as some seem to suggest I don't think Harry would still be at the club.
 

stemark44

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I think next summer, if we fail to make the top 4, we will all be expecting the mass exodus of our best players. Bale, Modric, maybe VDV will undoubtedly want to leave. And we will be in a weak position to argue our case.

Right now we can say "You owe us another season" but next summer there'll be none of that. And we, as fans, will be prepared for the backlash. Shit happens.

Players come and go at the end of the day. Loyalty is not something we should expect, that's fairly clear from this summer's antics.

I agree but the fans will also turn on Levy big-time and ENIC will be left with no choice other than to put up or sell up!
 

Matrix

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3 Transfer windows to sort this mess out and they still act like the Chuckle Brothers.
They should have had targets sewn up as soon as the window opened.
I know its not as easy as that but when we get gazumped by the odd million its very disheartening.

Get the business done early!
 

markiespurs

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Yea, I still personally don't greatly believe the supposed rift between Harry and Levy also, if it was as problematic as some seem to suggest I don't think Harry would still be at the club.

exactly and Harry certainly has previous for walking away from a club if he does'nt get along with the chairman.
 

Mr Pink

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Harry wanting world class players is fair enough, it shows ambition

Levy saying they beyond our reach is pragmatic

There needs to be a compromise and surely Vucinic is that?

Absolutely, Vucinic is a realisic option yet still an attractive option, as was Suarez in January (in theory, I'm not saying he would of picked us over Liverpool)

Its not just Levy or Harry butting heads either, its the top players who wont view Spurs as on there level.

So we are trying for some of these top stars which is fine, yeah it shows ambition but they're arnt realistic...we cant offer them the wages and the kudos they're looking for.

The likes of Vucinic who are on the fringes of top class are more realistic and this guy had the attributes to improve our side and all within reasonable financial considerations which Levy will insist on - and rightly so.

Harry wants the mega star which could be a safer bet, problem being Levy cant fund these moves and the players therefore arn't interested...

It just seems to me that Harry finds it difficult to trust his judgement on players who arn't necessarilly in the lime light all the time - foreign players anyway.
 
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