The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 5 August 2011

yawa · Aug 5, 2011

THOWIG said:
Don't buy that. As I said yesterday they are worried about us and know we are only a couple of players away. Why help us? Plus pay for the
privelege?

Well dont buy it then. But as they were talking about getting into the champions league last summer and now talking about winning the title. Clearly shows they think they've gone up a notch.

southernspur9 · Aug 5, 2011

Bus-Conductor said:
I think Adebayor and Rossi have always been blue and yellow. Don't you lot remember the goat saying the important word was "and" meaning two players I believe, and we have been linked with those two since January (retrospectively in Adebayors case).

Yeah he said something about "and" being important which is why I assumed Blue was Uruguays Hernandez and yellow was Brazils Leandro.

talkshowhost86 · Aug 5, 2011

danielneeds said:
Would be more than satified with Abebayor, Diarra and Samba before Everton. Would add some real power and physicality to our squad.

I'm pretty sure neither Diarra or Adebayor would start if they came in before the Everton game as I don't think either have played in many, if any, pre-season games.

I'll be surprised if anyone other than Diarra joins before the Everton game anyway but I'm a bit more hopeful than I was yesterday.

spurslenny · Aug 5, 2011

Paolo10 said:
Jenas out, Barton in...in a fucking heartbeat and all.

:stupid:. See below for the pros and cons to your 'in a heartbeat' reasoning.

marvel said:
You think Barton will be happy to play a squad role without kicking up a fuss like Jenas does? We'd be all over twitter within a week or two

StanSpur said:
GREAT!!! double the wages and still not playing infront of Modric and Sandro - that's fuckin awersome business planning right there!!!!

Bus-Conductor said:
I think Adebayor and Rossi have always been blue and yellow. Don't you lot remember the goat saying the important word was "and" meaning two players I believe, and we have been linked with those two since January (retrospectively in Adebayors case).

If we shipped Keane, Crouch and Defoe, Adebayor and Rossi would be the optimal replacements of who is available, but I worry it would mean VDV being played out of position most weeks.

As far as Jenas goes, many of you lot are stupid, blind or both to what this bloke actually contributes and has for 6 years consistently. No matter how many games like Bremen away, ManU home, Inter away, ARSENAL away, Villa home he puts in, or the great passes he can make like SToke away or Bremen away etc, his detractors are only stupid enough to notice that he's not world class - and most of those detractors are stupid enough to to sing the praises of players like Huddelstone, Ekotto and Dawson.

If used correctly and given license to go forward he is one of the best box to box midfielders in the EPL.

I hoped we'd upgrade him this year because then a) we'd have a fantastic player and b) we could stop listening to dimwits moaning about the bloke.

There actually aren't many players in our squad who have contributed as much to our most successful period as a club for 30 years. Over the last six years he's consistently contributed to two 5th place finishes, four european campaigns, one CL campaign, been a major factor in our one trophy win and getting to another final.

How shit.

gilzeantheking · Aug 5, 2011

Bus-Conductor said:
I think Adebayor and Rossi have always been blue and yellow. Don't you lot remember the goat saying the important word was "and" meaning two players I believe, and we have been linked with those two since January (retrospectively in Adebayors case).

If we shipped Keane, Crouch and Defoe, Adebayor and Rossi would be the optimal replacements of who is available, but I worry it would mean VDV being played out of position most weeks.

As far as Jenas goes, many of you lot are stupid, blind or both to what this bloke actually contributes and has for 6 years consistently. No matter how many games like Bremen away, ManU home, Inter away, ARSENAL away, Villa home he puts in, or the great passes he can make like SToke away or Bremen away etc, his detractors are only stupid enough to notice that he's not world class - and most of those detractors are stupid enough to to sing the praises of players like Huddelstone, Ekotto and Dawson.

If used correctly and given license to go forward he is one of the best box to box midfielders in the EPL.

I hoped we'd upgrade him this year because then a) we'd have a fantastic player and b) we could stop listening to dimwits moaning about the bloke.

There actually aren't many players in our squad who have contributed as much to our most successful period as a club for 30 years. Over the last six years he's consistently contributed to two 5th place finishes, four european campaigns, one CL campaign, been a major factor in our one trophy win and getting to another final.

How shit.

I have never been a huge fan of Jenas, that being said on the few occasions that he did play last year I was impressed with him. He looked a really decent player. I am also pleased that we have at least one player who is a proper squad player, and will bide his time on the bench and play when called upon (hopefully well). He will not whinge and moan if he is not a regular starter, again something he should be given credit for IMO.

We all want players to show some loyalty to the Club, and yet when one of them does not want to leave we all complain.

steventhfc · Aug 5, 2011

yawa said:
Well dont buy it then. But as they were talking about getting into the champions league last summer and now talking about winning the title. Clearly shows they think they've gone up a notch.

Indeed it would. Business ethos.

talkshowhost86 · Aug 5, 2011

Bus-Conductor said:
I think Adebayor and Rossi have always been blue and yellow. Don't you lot remember the goat saying the important word was "and" meaning two players I believe, and we have been linked with those two since January (retrospectively in Adebayors case).

Just to clarify, the Goat does not know, and has never know, what Blue and Yellow refers to. He was just speculating in a goaty way (based on his sources) that maybe blue and yellow referred to more than one player.

Looks like he may have been right on that front but as to the individuals involved the Goat's guess is as good as anyone elses.

donny1013 · Aug 5, 2011

It works two ways, yes they are strengthening a rival but if Adebayor scores a winner against other teams in the top 5 then he is doing Citeh a favour in the process.

StartingPrice · Aug 5, 2011

gilzeantheking said:
I have never been a huge fan of Jenas, that being said on the few occasions that he did play last year I was impressed with him. He looked a really decent player. I am also pleased that we have at least one player who is a proper squad player, and will bide his time on the bench and play when called upon (hopefully well). He will not whinge and moan if he is not a regular starter, again something he should be given credit for IMO.

We all want players to show some loyalty to the Club, and yet when one of them does not want to leave we all complain.

:clap:
And don't forget, up until last Season he has been carrying some niggling injuries, too.

p.s.

Sorry Mods...not meaning to get dragged into another Jermaine Jenas is the anti-Everythang debate.

talkshowhost86 · Aug 5, 2011

danielneeds said:
Because Mancini wants nothing to do with him, and at this point in time he won't make the 25 man squad, and then they will have to paying all his wage.

I imagine we'd also be paying them a fairly substantial loan fee.

bugsdad · Aug 5, 2011

THOWIG said:
Don't buy that. As I said yesterday they are worried about us and know we are only a couple of players away. Why help us? Plus pay for the
privelege?

They are not helping us but helping themselves by getting rid of £4million a year wages saved and a disgruntled player that the manager hates.

CAPO · Aug 5, 2011

Maybe man city think ade is crap and thats why theyre happy for him to come to us?

Paolo10 · Aug 5, 2011

Jenas might not kick up a fuss, but he offers little more than that. If I was on whatever k he was a week for not kicking up a fuss I'd be mighty good at it. I'd much rather get someone in you can rely on when the chips are down, bottle, fight, whatever you want to call it. Can you ever see Jenas coming on from the bench and turning the game or playing consistently to cover injuries?

Don't let your judgement on Barton's past misdemeanours/character blinker yourself from seeing his qualities as a footballer and who's to say at a more successful club he wouldn't be happy enough...and do you know what? If he is as good as he thinks he is, he'd be playing every week. I trust HR and the coaching staff to make those decisions.

Anyway, JJ? We've been through this for far too long and he's flattered to decieve to the point that he's fallen from being a great hope of English football to the point now where he's finally withered like a spent cock to the depths of a backup player, because he's fucking gutless and wants an easy life. Give me someone with a large portion of nuts, JJ's mum keeps his in a wee bag.

#1 Spur · Aug 5, 2011

THOWIG said:
Don't buy that. As I said yesterday they are worried about us and know we are only a couple of players away. Why help us? Plus pay for the
privelege?

It was said earlier on that they no longer see us as a threat.

Why would they? They are challenging for the title this year.

nailsy · Aug 5, 2011

donny1013 said:
It works two ways, yes they are strengthening a rival but if Adebayor scores a winner against other teams in the top 5 then he is doing Citeh a favour in the process.

Thats a very good point. Plus we are talking about a loan so he couldn't play against City.

Ledders Army · Aug 5, 2011

THOWIG said:
Don't buy that. As I said yesterday they are worried about us and know we are only a couple of players away. Why help us? Plus pay for the
privelege?

Maybe City don't rate Ade and don't think he'd improve us. Like you, with all their money I can't see City willing to do business with us for any player who could significantly improve our first team.

Unless they think loan him to us so can't play against them but can play against and help us take points off their title rivals.

RuskyM · Aug 5, 2011

block33 said:
http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/news/fo...op-for-18m-rated-real-madrid-midfielder-9771/

EIGHTEEN SODDING MILLION?

That can't be true, surely. We'd need our heads tested. We can't seriously be planning to break our transfer record for a player we don't need?

gilzeantheking · Aug 5, 2011

CAPO said:
Maybe man city think ade is crap and thats why theyre happy for him to come to us?

I think you're right. IMO he will be a dangerous player this year as he has a point to prove. Hopefully we will get the benefit of his endeavours.

andyp8080 · Aug 5, 2011

Is Dos Santos going to Udinese? I see they have Arsenal in the CL qualifier. Be nice for him to hit the winner!

felmani26 · Aug 5, 2011

Jenas will always be an enigma of a player but he does serve an important purpose as a squad player and you don't succesfully embark on a long ardous season without these players at your disposal.

Playing wise, Barton is an upgrade on Jenas but with all the baggage that inevitably follows, plus the valid point of being on considerably more would he really be worth all the bother - i'm not sure, but if the right deal was struck for the club then I would actually be in favour.

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