UEFA Cup and Spurs

Spurs1960 · Dec 2, 2011

cwy21 said:
One negative is that we didn't get a ton of coefficient points this year and would be in pot 3 again next year in the Champions League is we qualify. If we we're to draw someone like Bayern and AC Milan it would be something we might regret.

Why? We beat AC Milan last time and we are better now, the only teams to fear are Barcelona and Real Madrid quite frankly, nobody else bothers me.

$hoguN · Dec 2, 2011

If i'm honest I just do not give a **** about the both the Europa League and the Carling Cup this season, if we had made the finals great, but as we have been knocked out of both oh well, they are two big distractions we can do without

kaz Hirai · Dec 2, 2011

guess we are too good for the Europa it seems having finished top 4 once in the History of the premier league.

I suppose our Trophy cabinet is falling over due to the weight of all that silverware! onward and upward!

/sarcasm machine deactivated

bomberH · Dec 2, 2011

Due to my hatred of Sunday football, I'm very happy that we're no longer in this competition. It's not just that I love Saturday football but the problem with the Thursday and Sunday fixtures is that we're always playing catch up with teams who played on the Saturday. I think that's what Harry was alluding to as well.

The competition was great for breeding youngsters but unfortunately they didn't play well enough overall. As for the money, I don't think you make any money until the semi-final. All in all, glad we did it but also quite happy we're no longer in it. Under normal circumstances, I'd really want us to win it, but I think this year, with the emergence of City and re-emergence of Liverpool, it's more important than ever to get back into the champions league and concentrate more on that.

bomberH · Dec 2, 2011

All that post and this post was made by Siri. 4S, I salute you.

mattyspurs · Dec 2, 2011

What about this post?

Spurs1960 · Dec 2, 2011

Caco said:
Hearing players give out about additional fixtures pisses me off, let's face it, they're paid enough, but they are the ones doing the training, traveling and playing. What I really can't understand is fans complaining about additional fixtures. It's your money that pays the players and manager, the resources are there to compete on both fronts more than capably, your money paid for that.
Any fan who feels pissed off about this is justified in his/her opinion. Any fan who is happy about the players and club throwing a half arsed effort at competing at the fans expense is not seeing the bigger picture. Your money invested in the club pays for the first class flights to Greece and Russia! Your money pays for everything. For the players and management to treat this whole experience as a joke at your expense should be enough to make you give a shit. In not taking the competition seriously is them telling you they don't take you seriously. End of rant!

We do see the bigger picture, it's called Champions League football.

The players do not play for our benefit, they haven't done for donkeys years, they play for a business and that business will prosper greatly by attaining a top 3 spot and potentially 4th in the league. Therefore it is prudent to give yourself every chance of attaining it rather than your approach which undoubtedly would see us fail with fatigued players as we did last year.

The back up squad is not of the same calibre as our 1st XI barring a few individuals, Cudicini, Gallas, Sandro and arguably Defoe and Huddlestone.

The likes of Corluka, Rose, Pienaar, Krancjar, Pav and definitely Bassong are all a step down so playing any of them reduces our chances of gaining league points and thus Champions league football.

Until a Champions league slot is available to the winners of the Europa League and a qualification round berth for the runners up it is a hindrance with to many games. Just look at Stoke who have gained only 5 points from a possible 27 after their Europa League games. It does have an effect and it is nieve to think it doesn't.

Leachie · Dec 2, 2011

I also really want to do well and win the competition.

But with our fringe players & youngsters.

Caco · Dec 2, 2011

Spurs1960 said:
We do see the bigger picture, it's called Champions League football.

The players do not play for our benefit, they haven't done for donkeys years, they play for a business and that business will prosper greatly by attaining a top 3 spot and potentially 4th in the league. Therefore it is prudent to give yourself every chance of attaining it rather than your approach which undoubtedly would see us fail with fatigued players as we did last year.

The back up squad is not of the same calibre as our 1st XI barring a few individuals, Cudicini, Gallas, Sandro and arguably Defoe and Huddlestone.

The likes of Corluka, Rose, Pienaar, Krancjar, Pav and definitely Bassong are all a step down so playing any of them reduces our chances of gaining league points and thus Champions league football.

Until a Champions league slot is available to the winners of the Europa League and a qualification round berth for the runners up it is a hindrance with to many games. Just look at Stoke who have gained only 5 points from a possible 27 after their Europa League games. It does have an effect and it is nieve to think it doesn't.

With all due respect, spurs are not stoke! They don't have our resources or calibre of player. Spurs have the resources to compete on both fronts. As fans the idea is to follow glory, what glory is in financial gain if you don't put any silver in the trophy cabinet? Let the players worry about how much they can make out the game. It's your money after all. If all a fan cares about is playing in the CL because it generates more income they're wasting their time with football, following the stock exchange instead!
Not a personal attack on you, but as a football fan I can't seem to get my head around this obsession with financial gain over glory on the pitch and I do see the bigger picture of potential greater glory as a result of financial gain, but am I and so many others wrong in wanting to achieve something on the pitch primarily?

BorisTM · Dec 2, 2011

TheGreenLily said:
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I will most definitely be very angry if we get knocked out of this competition. Is it as big as the CL? No, so what. It is European football, we get a little extra money and it should be Spurs kicking ass all over Europe and getting that - work fucking hard for it, if you want be successful attitude.

Every competition that Spurs play in should be taken seriously, it's our club and I never want to see us knocked out of anything. I was mighty pissed that we got knocked out of the league cup in the first round we played in :bang:

It is also great experience in regards to dealing with so many games in a season. What is going to happen if we get into the CL next season? not take the CL seriously because it may interfere with the league or not take the league seriously, because it will interfere with the CL? Bollocks, we are going to go for it fucking all, and the players need to learn that to be able to do that, they are going to have to play a lot of games and playing in the EUFA Cup is a great chance to do that.

You don't win fuck all taking the easy option out.

I don't want us to go out the EUFA Cup, I want us to win the fucking thing and win it in style.

COYS!!

I couldn't agree more. One needs to learn how to walk before they can try to run.

Many think we are good enough to leap over the walking part but this is only on paper, in reality nothing can substitute for European football no matter how good the team is in the domestic league and no matter how many games the players have watched on TV. CL is a tougher competition and taking the Europa league tests lightly is gonna cost us dearly if we ever get another go at CL.

The team and the manager need to get used to playing a lot of games or we are gonna end up in the same situation we were last season.

TheGreenLily · Dec 2, 2011

vegassd said:
Reality check....

We want the UEFA games to blood our youngsters and give game time to our fringe players. Well guess what - they are the exact guys who didn't get enough points to get out of the group stage.

Stop whining.

Yeah we could have blooded our youngsters, but we could so very easily had qualified for the knockout stages stages too.

I also agree that it is very important to get into the top 4 and that CL spot. It is also important for both the players and manager to get to grips with dealing with the additional amount of games. Managing the team correctly and being aggressive in regards to wanting to win things and the players realizing that in order to achieve a regular champions league spot they are going to have to work hard.

As many have said, I don't like everything about EUFA Cup, I hate the fact that 3rd place CL teams get demoted to the EUFA, it is a completely stupid rule.

We had the squad and the ability to approach this competition with the intention of winning it, without it having an impact on our season. Also, how can we instill a winning mentality into the players when we are not winning anything :shrug:

BorisTM · Dec 2, 2011

TheGreenLily said:
...We had the squad and the ability to approach this competition with the intention of winning it, without it having an impact on our season. Also, how can we instill a winning mentality into the players when we are not winning anything :shrug:

Exactly, we can play in CL for 15 years in a row but if we can't win even the "Micky mouse" cup for some 6-7 years, the players will start leaving the club.

kazzah9 · Dec 2, 2011

BorisTM said:
Exactly, we can play in CL for 15 years in a row but if we can't win even the "Micky mouse" cup for some 6-7 years, the players will start leaving the club.

e.g. Arsenal

fortworthspur · Dec 2, 2011

I dont understand why we have to choose between good form in the league and advancing in the Europa cup.

lukespurs7 · Dec 2, 2011

I would be dissapointed but I think Harry managed it very well, correct team selections all the way through. When it came to the crunch game with the likes of Defoe, Lennon, Modric etc we should have won that home game and got through whilst not expending much energy of our better players over the course of the competition.

Unfortunately the new defence was shocking for 20minutes and as a result we are now out-shame...yes, but if we can come in the top4 and have a good go at the FA cup it will have been another good season.

vegassd · Dec 2, 2011

BorisTM said:
Exactly, we can play in CL for 15 years in a row but if we can't win even the "Micky mouse" cup for some 6-7 years, the players will start leaving the club.

Are you suggesting that players will leave a Champions League team because they aren't winning the Carling Cup?

Eek

Spurs1960 · Dec 2, 2011

Caco said:
With all due respect, spurs are not stoke! They don't have our resources or calibre of player. Spurs have the resources to compete on both fronts. As fans the idea is to follow glory, what glory is in financial gain if you don't put any silver in the trophy cabinet? Let the players worry about how much they can make out the game. It's your money after all. If all a fan cares about is playing in the CL because it generates more income they're wasting their time with football, following the stock exchange instead!
Not a personal attack on you, but as a football fan I can't seem to get my head around this obsession with financial gain over glory on the pitch and I do see the bigger picture of potential greater glory as a result of financial gain, but am I and so many others wrong in wanting to achieve something on the pitch primarily?

It's because without the money you won't attract the players to win anything and won't keep what we have, like it or not, money is everything in football and determines whether you can win something or not.

Grey Fox · Dec 2, 2011

I think the Op has valid points.

What is the point in trying to get European quallification if you are not trying to win it or at least use it to bed young players and those on the margin. The early exit from the Carling Cup has left us now with just the League and Fa cup to keep a huge squad happy and competitive. People seem to forget we don't have a reserve side now.

There is another issue here and that is us the fans who spend huge sums to follow our team home away and in Europe. We pay the wages of this huge squad and are currently being mugged by the club if they play teams that are basically reserve team standard, but still paying first team prices for tickets. For those pleased we are out and we haven't won anything for years, but happy to qualify for CL what is the point? Any money for the club is not going in your pocket in fact the reverse, how many of us were able to get tickets for CL games?

As a fan I want to win silver ware, i understand the longer term picture issue, but for us older fans Glory does not mean finishing second, third or fourth it means winning.

TheGreenLily · Dec 2, 2011

JerryGarcia said:
Green Lily, could you please make a similar thread about the next run of games? I don't think there's ever been a greater reverse jinx in the history of the game than your previous one, you must be over the moon to have been so wrong!

I am fucking loving it, more than you will ever know :lol:

Not happy with some of the performances, but we are getting the results though.

I agree we should be looking to win everything but the team we put out on Wednesday should have won fairly easily, I still think we'll go through if we play the first team against Shamrock. PAOK have enough about them to beat Rubin at home by a few goals from what i've seen.

That is what I am hoping, we need to go out and get a cricket score against Shamrock. And... if POAK can turn up the heat against Rubin, then we have every chance of getting through to the next round.

Yes it is a long shot, but we still need to go for it and give ourselves that chance though.

:smile:

Donki · Dec 2, 2011

Don't give a toss in the long run about it, liked giving the kids a chance and if we had to do it over again I would want him to do the same thing. We are in a perfect position in the league and the fewer distractions the better.

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