The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 25th July

faze_coys said:

you dont even need a battering ram to play stoke. they are shit. you need footballers.

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Agreed, what sort of mentality is it for a Spurs supporter to think we need to resort to their level to play and beat them? pathetic

I wonder if Sir Alex is shaking in his boots about playing Stoke and considering a bid for Ade Akinbiyi to play the battering ram role against them?

kdspur said:

its far from inpatience. im cynical on the way spurs go about their business. top clubs get players they want in asap and have done already. and not all of them were big money ones. arsenal learned their lesson from last year and bought 2 strikers in for rvp leaving. united needed a midfielder in and still looking ok for more. they got their back up young striker in for when berba goes and its same with chelsea. i dont mind if we are just buying to add some quality and depth to squad but when there is at least 3 or 4 or even more positions really up for grabs in your first team alone imvho stil to l be bought for, then questions should be asked. we seem to be going from pillar to post and back again with players and same names keep coming up. like i said spurs need to show conviction in their actions and players they want.

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We neither have the finances to carry a large squad or to pay exactly what the selling club demands when negotiating for top players.

If you understand this statement then maybe you'll show a little more patience with our transfer dealings.

kdspur said:

its far from inpatience. im cynical on the way spurs go about their business. top clubs get players they want in asap and have done already. and not all of them were big money ones. arsenal learned their lesson from last year and bought 2 strikers in for rvp leaving. united needed a midfielder in and still looking ok for more. they got their back up young striker in for when berba goes and its same with chelsea. i dont mind if we are just buying to add some quality and depth to squad but when there is at least 3 or 4 or even more positions really up for grabs in your first team alone imvho stil to l be bought for, then questions should be asked. we seem to be going from pillar to post and back again with players and same names keep coming up. like i said spurs need to show conviction in their actions and players they want.

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A very bias way of looking at things. We've bought Vertonghen and Sigurdsson, two quality signings, and 'are still looking ok for more' as you put it about United.

Edit: Wtf does that even mean? 'looking ok for more' fs...

formlesswater said:

Internacional bought Forlan this window, so I assume they are expecting or at least would be willing to sell Leandro Damiao this summer.

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Has this been confirmed?

I know Internacional were interested.

leffe186 said:

You need a referee.

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We had one.... Chris Foy....

Oh yes. i see your point

Oscar to Chelsea done then.

KDspur how can you disagree?

We have the smallest stadium out of the top 6 teams. There is no sugar daddy to pump money into us. We are punching well above our weight financially. The only way we've reached our lofty position is through clever buying and selling.

These are the facts.

kdspur said:

total shit . if madrid want him like they say they will get him . yes they are trying to save a few quid but spurs wont relent .. thats obvious but we are not talking about dealings between spurs and madrid and modric here. im talking about spurs as the buying club not selling club.

listen i cud ramble on and on like you can but bottom line is .. if spurs want to challenge and go for trophies then proper players cost decent money. bidding pennies for them isnt going to work and pronlongng the whole process. end of.

if there is an agreement between a player (that he wants to leave and would be interested in joining spurs) and his club then get the deal done asap thats all im saying. we missed out loads of times im sure . now i know agents come into play here and they get up to all kinds of shite but levy is around long enough now. i think spurs are naive in transfer market myself and not clinical or decisive enough.

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people who finish off sentences or paragraphs with the words "end of" are douchebags, end of

AngerManagement said:

Agreed, what sort of mentality is it for a Spurs supporter to think we need to resort to their level to play and beat them? pathetic

I wonder if Sir Alex is shaking in his boots about playing Stoke and considering a bid for Ade Akinbiyi to play the battering ram role against them?

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We need different types of players for different opposition. We had a battering ram in Bobby Smith in our double team in 61. We've not won the league ever since because we had been too soft.

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

Has this been confirmed?

I know Internacional were interested.

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Yes - on Internacional site, Goal.com etc

chinaman said:

They could end up playing together if AVB finally realizes that the British contingent at Spurs are not skillful and nifty enough to play his style and he has to opt back to 442.

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I'm surprised to see you write that, and then follow up by suggesting we buy Andy Carroll...

chinaman said:

We need different types of players for different opposition. We had a battering ram in Bobby Smith in our double team in 61. We've not won the league ever since because we had been too soft.

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This ain't 1961 mate and football is a different game now

We don't need Andy Caroll for any game

And lacking a player like Carroll is really not the reason we have not won the league since the 60s

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

Has this been confirmed?

I know Internacional were interested.

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Yes its on Internacional's official site: http://www.internacional.com.br/pagina.php?modulo=2&setor=18&codigo=18007

Luka Van der Bale said:

A very bias way of looking at things. We've bought Vertonghen and Sigurdsson, two quality signings, and 'are still looking ok for more' as you put it about United.

Edit: Wtf does that even mean? 'looking ok for more' fs...

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not that united need more but they are after moura, if they get a player well and good, i would imagine. if not they wont bother getting anyone else. united still looking for more midfielders as i put it but they are pretty much well off as it and not a real urgency for them to get someone in , which is different to us.

kdspur said:

unless we get in top 4.

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(whining Clough accent) Top three young man. Top three.

L-man said:

Apologies for posting the other tweets but I feel it's kind of necessary for the context

BackPage. @BackPage
Tottenham are set to come back in for £20m rated Internacional striker Leandro Damiao after seemingly missing out on Emmanuel Adebayor #THFC

Ryantegan @ryantegan
@BackPage Thats almost accurate dont be surprised to see both

akqayid@akqayid
@ryantegan @BackPage Itll be those two

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Fucking ryantegan on twitter now too!!!

Holy shit might as well pack up SC and all move to the world of tweets.

brasil_spur said:

Fucking ryantegan on twitter now too!!!

Holy shit might as well pack up SC and all move to the world of tweets.

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God, I feel a Mary Poppins song coming on...

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

KDspur how can you disagree?

We have the smallest stadium out of the top 6 teams. There is no sugar daddy to pump money into us. We are punching well above our weight financially. The only way we've reached our lofty position is through clever buying and selling.

These are the facts.

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i have no doubt levy wont let spurs casually spend millions at drop of hat but there comes a time once u have got a half decent team to spend more to amintain it and better it. i dont expect spurs to buy 20 million ound players but i can think of 4 or 5 players off top of my head who would cost alot less that would greatly increase quality and competition within spurs team which is what im talking about.

i agree some clever buying has been done but also alot of shit buying has been done!! and thats shows in quality of squad we have! great myth out there about the great quality and depth of spurs squad. i realy never saw it.

bassong , bentley, jenas , gio , naughton / rose (to lesser extent) gomes, cudicini , defoe. these are names i can just think of off top of my head and to be honest they would not even be in my first 16 on any given match day, even against lesser teams. they serve no purpose for the quality we need or where we need to be or go. i would argue if even one of those names mentioned were in a team we wud very rarely win or struggle to win a match. thats not been harsh , its just the truth. no one feels overly confident about any of those players.

now surely to god if we sold those players and the wages it would save , is it not possible that the great tottenham hotspur can bring in maybe 3/4 players of exceptional potential or already a top player to challenge the already first 13 players that we already know and already there. these new players i dont expect to be 20 million a pop but if we want quality we simply have to pay decent sums for , unless we have a super eye for a player like wenger who gets them cheap.

my whole point is spurs squad is littered with average players and the first 11/12/ 13 players all know privately they are on easy street with little competition. that has to change. For us to even challenge we need 5 players imo at least by end of next month to give every last one of them a right kick up the arse. It's what they need.

Not going To harp on about it but i certainly haven't forgotten last 5 months of season and throwing away such a position of power in a financial sense, in terms of weakening our rivals and in terms of attracting players AND should not be forgotten by anyone else either especially the players. why did that happen?

because we didnt have the quality players at the club to finish the job. you can thrown all sorts back at me with regards luck and all that but deep down everyone knew spurs would fuck up and finish at least 4th and they did. Ok its a given 4th on any normal season gets cl but given circumstances and position we were in it was unacceptable. quality is needed and meltdown needs to happen in a big way with alot of players out and in for me yet. will it happen it might but i doubt it!!! it doesnt look like happening and i know patience is what is required but i see nothing to really get excited about yet or that things will change greatly for the better unless serious quality comes into club. if anything we are massively weaker with loss of king and modric whose worth to team was immense. just replacing like for like with modric wont kick it for me.

Tottenham Tom said:

We need to top class strikers if we want to compete. Would you rather Borrielo (sp?) on loan?

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Okay, no. I have stated that I would like Salomon Rondon as he's cheaper and we might be able to include Gio in the deal. Plus he's a harder worker for the team.

Leandro is a good player. Never disputed that, and never will. He's a good goal scorer but his touch, hold up play, and movement is not good enouh for us just yet. But that's not where I have issues- every young player has room to grow.

No, here's where I have issues: his team, Internacional just sold Oscar for 20m. That should balance their budget so now they don't need to sell Damiao anymore. Also, he's never expressed an interest in coming here; he seems averse to a move to be perfectly honest. He's said multiple times he'd like to stay in Brazil until the WC 2014. So that means a) his club don't have to sell, jacking up the price, and b) he doesn't seem keen on coming here, jacking up the price.

AngerManagement said:

He wouldn't be back up as such, he'd be brought in as an expensive promising talent

Probably blooded in to the team slowly in the same way Sandro was to ease the transition , its not like (if we were to bring him in) we'd be bringing him in just as a back up with no expectation of him being our number one striker (ala Saha)

I agree I doubt this one will happen, but I am not against the notion of signing both Ade and Leandro and who's to say we wouldn't employ two strikers or have one of them playing wide right or as a second striker? Are AVB's formations set in stone? At the very least the rotation could be great of the course of the year.

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dellybelly said:

Arsenal have bought Giroud AND Podolski. Yes, we may have to spend £20m on a backup if we want to compete with the big boys.

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We don't have the cash to spunk 20m on a player who can't come right into the first team and make an impact. Chelsea can do that with Lukaku because they're rich as hell. Giroud and Podolski were both 10-12m... the price for a striker I'd take.

Why are people writing essays in here? Especially when there is a distinct lack of ITK. It's lovely outside I suggest you go sit in your gardens.