Chelsea Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

idontgetit · May 8, 2013

I love AVB but will call him out when he gets it wrong and he got it wrong tonight. He doesn't understand how to get the best out of his players at times. Hudd and Parker need to play in the hole in front of the defence. Play them both and they get in each others way or one is forced to play forward in a role they can't do and pretty much end up in no-man's land, which was Parker ALL night. He was forced to make runs in the channels, run with the ball and try to get our attacks going. He was completely shit at it and just got in the way, he wasn't even tackling or clearing up. It's not his fault because that's not where he should be, it's AVB's fault. Holtby looked good but he's a passing player. He needs movement in front of him and runs coming from the midfielders around him. He only had the isolated Ade in front, a man marked Bale and the static Hudd and Parker behind him. Lennon wasn't looking confident and didn't get involved. That meant that his quick one touch passed were pointless because there was no movement going forward around him. Modric was the same, he looked terrible playing in the hole, you put some decent movement in front of him however and he suddenly turned in to Xavi.

AVB should have played a 4-3-3 with one out of Hudd and Parker. In front of him you'd have Holtby and Siggurdson. That way Parker or Hudd can do what they do best sweeping up just in front of the back four. There's far more movement to pass to out from the back and it will be far less predictable. The full backs can press up because there's a genuine DM who can drop in to the back line and cover. Holtby will have Sig making runs in front of him that allows him to use his passing skills and opening up space for the likes of Bale, Lennon and Ade. It doesn't weaken us defensively because both Sig and Holtby are strong in the tackle and will press better up the pitch than an out of position Parker or Hudd. I genuinely think that the forward position in a midfield 3 is Sig's best position so it's perfect.

Well done to AVB for making the changes and motivating the side for fantastic comeback but we shouldn't have been starting off on the wrong foot. What I don't get it is that AVB favoured the 4-3-3 at his previous clubs yet he refuses to play it here, despite it being the formation most suited to our plays. All in all frustrating

felmani26 · May 8, 2013

rupsmith said:
The second Chelsea goal was Scott Parker watching the ball and not tracking Ramires' run

And Huddlestone wasn't chasing shadows?!

He can play a nice pass once in a while but he is absolutely abysmal when the opposition break quickly and he doesn't have the sharpness or agility to make any telling defensive contribution to holt any attacks.

These are fundamental flaws in Huddlestones make up.

sloth · May 8, 2013

idontgetit said:
I love AVB but will call him out when he gets it wrong and he got it wrong tonight. He doesn't understand how to get the best out of his players at times. Hudd and Parker need to play in the hole in front of the defence. Play them both and they get in each others way or one is forced to play forward in a role they can't do and pretty much end up in no-man's land, which was Parker ALL night. He was forced to make runs in the channels, run with the ball and try to get our attacks going. He was completely shit at it and just got in the way, he wasn't even tackling or clearing up. It's not his fault because that's not where he should be, it's AVB's fault. Holtby looked good but he's a passing player. He needs movement in front of him and runs coming from the midfielders around him. He only had the isolated Ade in front, a man marked Bale and the static Hudd and Parker behind him. Lennon wasn't looking confident and didn't get involved. That meant that his quick one touch passed were pointless because there was no movement going forward around him. Modric was the same, he looked terrible playing in the hole, you put some decent movement in front of him however and he suddenly turned in to Xavi.

AVB should have played a 4-3-3 with one out of Hudd and Parker. In front of him you'd have Holtby and Siggurdson. That way Parker or Hudd can do what they do best sweeping up just in front of the back four. There's far more movement to pass to out from the back and it will be far less predictable. The full backs can press up because there's a genuine DM who can drop in to the back line and cover. Holtby will have Sig making runs in front of him that allows him to use his passing skills and opening up space for the likes of Bale, Lennon and Ade. It doesn't weaken us defensively because both Sig and Holtby are strong in the tackle and will press better up the pitch than an out of position Parker or Hudd. I genuinely think that the forward position in a midfield 3 is Sig's best position so it's perfect.

Well done to AVB for making the changes and motivating the side for fantastic comeback but we shouldn't have been starting off on the wrong foot. What I don't get it is that AVB favoured the 4-3-3 at his previous clubs yet he refuses to play it here, despite it being the formation most suited to our plays. All in all frustrating

He shouldn't have played Hudd full-stop!

nedley · May 8, 2013

Spur4life said:
I said a while back that some spurs fans on here a bunch of clowns ! This is the most stupid post I have ever seen ! Prick

He's not a prick.

Just doesn't have a clue about football.

keepthehomefiresburning · May 8, 2013

nedley said:
Worst post I've ever read.

Do you know anything about football?

Obv know alot more than you if you actually think AVB has done a good job and Lennon is actually decent nevermind im away back to spurs odyssey atleast they know what they are talking about.

AVB hasnt done a good job so fuck off with comments like that mind i remind you he said 2 strikers would be enough how stupid he looks now since we have fucked up 4th place had he got us to a final i may have said different but we didnt we bottled it against Basle.

In regards to Lennon dont make me laugh i watch all the live pl,la liga and bundesliga games games and there are far better players than him out there how much has he scored and set up?

Your a muppet end of story would love to hear a comment like that on another spurs website as you would be slated.

Plenty of others saying far worse than me but nevermind your loss wanker come and speak to me when you actually watch proper football muppet i have played the game for 23 years in various levels so i am entitled to say what i think.

stormfly · May 8, 2013

Few things: 1,Lennon is injured and one of our most consistent players and tracks back like a beast. 2, AVB took a team who man for man were weaker than the Chelsea team and still came out of it with a point away from home. 3,the chavs and arse have been in ridiculous form lately and we are still in with a chance of the top 4. 4, ifwe win our next two games and miss out then it is just bloody bad luck rather than mistakes we have made throughout the season. Our final points tally would be awesome for the players we lost and for every Wigan, Fulham etc there was also a Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City. 5, I'm pissed!

CowInAComa · May 8, 2013

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Obv know alot more than you if you actually think AVB has done a good job and Lennon is actually decent nevermind im away back to spurs odyssey atleast they know what they are talking about.

AVB hasnt done a good job so fuck off with comments like that mind i remind you he said 2 strikers would be enough how stupid he looks now since we have fucked up 4th place had he got us to a final i may have said different but we didnt we bottled it against Basle.

In regards to Lennon dont make me laugh i watch all the live pl,la liga and bundesliga games games and there are far better players than him out there how much has he scored and set up?

Your a muppet end of story would love to hear a comment like that on another spurs website as you would be slated.

Plenty of others saying far worse than me but nevermind your loss wanker come and speak to me when you actually watch proper football muppet i have played the game for 23 years in various levels so i am entitled to say what i think.

Im sensing some tenseness.

Greenspur · May 8, 2013

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Obv know alot more than you if you actually think AVB has done a good job and Lennon is actually decent nevermind im away back to spurs odyssey atleast they know what they are talking about.

AVB hasnt done a good job so fuck off with comments like that mind i remind you he said 2 strikers would be enough how stupid he looks now since we have fucked up 4th place had he got us to a final i may have said different but we didnt we bottled it against Basle.

In regards to Lennon dont make me laugh i watch all the live pl,la liga and bundesliga games games and there are far better players than him out there how much has he scored and set up?

Your a muppet end of story would love to hear a comment like that on another spurs website as you would be slated.

Plenty of others saying far worse than me but nevermind your loss wanker come and speak to me when you actually watch proper football muppet i have played the game for 23 years in various levels so i am entitled to say what i think.

Are you clinically insane?

felmani26 · May 8, 2013

And anyone citing Hudd's physical presence over Carroll's as a reason why he's preferred should watch the countless times of him being bundled off the ball with ease.

It's about getting your body in the right position and not just merely size plus Carroll is far more tenacious in winning the ball back so I know who I'd rather have.

spursgirls · May 8, 2013

Not sure if this posted or not, so just in case...

shelfmonkey · May 8, 2013

I must say that if AVB had the quality of player, that the chavs had tonight, we would've wiped the floor with them!! I hate to say it but Parker and Daws are the weak links at the moment, but that is not the crux of my point, I think Roman has made a real big mistake sacking AVB, but, and it's a weather girls sized but, we won't see the best of him if Levy doesn't back him with a few bob and, please football god (y)

, let him sign the players he wants!!!!!

nialsy2005 · May 8, 2013

stormfly said:
Few things: 1,Lennon is injured and one of our most consistent players and tracks back like a beast. 2, AVB took a team who man for man were weaker than the Chelsea team and still came out of it with a point away from home. 3,the chavs and arse have been in ridiculous form lately and we are still in with a chance of the top 4. 4, ifwe win our next two games and miss out then it is just bloody bad luck rather than mistakes we have made throughout the season. Our final points tally would be awesome for the players we lost and for every Wigan, Fulham etc there was also a Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City. 5, I'm pissed!

If we win our last 2, isnt that our record points tally? Bloody good effort if so!! The more i think about it, the better i feel about next season. We'll have learnt so much from this, and if worst comes to the worst, we'll only lose our 1 top player in the summer.... not the top 3 like last year!

nedley · May 8, 2013

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Obv know alot more than you if you actually think AVB has done a good job and Lennon is actually decent nevermind im away back to spurs odyssey atleast they know what they are talking about.

AVB hasnt done a good job so fuck off with comments like that mind i remind you he said 2 strikers would be enough how stupid he looks now since we have fucked up 4th place had he got us to a final i may have said different but we didnt we bottled it against Basle.

In regards to Lennon dont make me laugh i watch all the live pl,la liga and bundesliga games games and there are far better players than him out there how much has he scored and set up?

Your a muppet end of story would love to hear a comment like that on another spurs website as you would be slated.

Plenty of others saying far worse than me but nevermind your loss wanker come and speak to me when you actually watch proper football muppet i have played the game for 23 years in various levels so i am entitled to say what i think.

Your poor grammar is making my eyes bleed.

Knob of to Odyssey, and stop wasting my time.

nialsy2005 · May 8, 2013

shelfmonkey said:
I must say that if AVB had the quality of player, that the chavs had tonight, we would've wiped the floor with them!! I hate to say it but Parker and Daws are the weak links at the moment, but that is not the crux of my point, I think Roman has made a real big mistake sacking AVB, but, and it's a weather girls sized but, we won't see the best of him if Levy doesn't back him with a few bob and, please football god , let him sign the players he wants!!!!!

Well, remember daws and parker are just squad players - the first teamers are kaboom and sandro!

worcestersauce · May 8, 2013

Spur4life said:
I said a while back that some spurs fans on here a bunch of clowns ! This is the most stupid post I have ever seen ! Prick

Do you mean the post you quoted or the post the post you quoted was quoting?

faymantaray · May 8, 2013

I might avoid spurs odyssey..

CowInAComa · May 8, 2013

nialsy2005 said:
If we win our last 2, isnt that our record points tally? Bloody good effort if so!! The more i think about it, the better i feel about next season. We'll have learnt so much from this, and if worst comes to the worst, we'll only lose our 1 top player in the summer.... not the top 3 like last year!

Put Sandro, Dembele and Kaboul in tonights side, pick Gylfi from the start, and feed Adebayor whatever it was he had before the game and we are ready to roll.

We drew tonight without them lets not forget. Ok it was pretty. But we got the point.

only1waddle · May 8, 2013

We can analyse the Hudd/Parker situation until the cows come home but it is quite clear AVB is just trying to limp through and get at Levy to buy players that fit in the summer, this was a second string midfield 2 we played tonight don't forget..

Wellspurs · May 8, 2013

Pimp_Spur said:
That sounded like Hoddle has no fucking idea about the goings on at spurs. Blaming AVB for buying lesser players. Where were the funds for better players? Tucked up under levys mattress is where!

And why did he not mention raffa, modric and King all not being here this season plus Kaboul out all season and sandro for half a season. Fucking tool. As for sourness he is a ****

I just wish one of these arse licking pundits would say "For fuck sake Spurs are the only team that have to live within their means"
Even Arse have a sugar daddy waiting in the wings.

idontgetit · May 8, 2013

Greenspur said:
Perhaps because everyone on here know everything, and AVB knows nothing! Now, I wonder what the chances of that are.

0% you complete waffle

. Why did we get dominated for the majority of the game and struggle to open them up? Not enough movement and drive. Why was that? Parker was stuck in no mans land all game slowing attacks down and not being able to influence the game with his tackling because he was continuously bypassed. It was pointless having him in that role. We could have played Siggurdson instead of Parker who would have provided running, movement, passing, a goal threat and would have pressed better than the slower Parker. Holtby and Hudd would then have had more movement to pass to, relieve pressure and open up Chelsea. Sig would have been able to get closer to Ade and run past him offering more pressure on the Chelsea back line. With that extra playing running on to the back line Chelsea would have had to give Bale, Lennon and Ade more room occassionaly. Instead by playing Parker and Hudd we had very static obvious movement that encouraged Chelsea to press us high up the pitch and isolated our forwards who could be man marked out of the game. Neither really cleaned up in front of the defence properly and neither was going to get involved in attacking the box.

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