The smoke bomb incident

Geyzer Soze · Oct 21, 2013

I think people are getting a bit too tied up in this Underhand/ Overhand thing. The text pasted in the OP is 2nd hand info at best, it's not the point whether it was underhand or overhand ... the point is that he (according to this version of events) had it thrown next to him, and wanted to shift it away. Whether he under or overhanded it away is pretty moot really. He may have said underhanded when he overhanded it thinking it would sound slightly more benign, his mate may have paraphrased when writing the article, his mate may have simply created that turn of phrase. Whatever the case of the underhand/ overhand it's just a small detail I wouldn't get too hung up over tbh

talkshowhost86 · Oct 21, 2013

I love the analysis on here of whether it was overarm or underarm or not.

Either way, I hope there's enough CCTV/tele footage to either exonerate the bloke if he's telling the truth or keep him away from football for a few years if he's not.

Are the flares actually allowed in grounds? Or are they just being snuck in?

Spurger King · Oct 21, 2013

Smells like bullshit to me.

Gbspurs · Oct 21, 2013

Spurger King said:
Smells like bullshit to me.

Agreed. Realised he has been a twat, scared of being ostracised by other spurs fans and trying to make it seems like an accident.

It's an embarrassing incident that has put the club in a bad light which is frustrating given the negative press our fans have been getting lately despite doing nothing wrong.

Think the lino is the only one to come out of this situ well.

Flashspur · Oct 21, 2013

i think it could easily be underarm - i've played a lot of cricket and thats not far for an underarm throw

Leachie · Oct 21, 2013

lao said:
I think people are getting a bit too tied up in this Underhand/ Overhand thing. The text pasted in the OP is 2nd hand info at best, it's not the point whether it was underhand or overhand ... the point is that he (according to this version of events) had it thrown next to him, and wanted to shift it away. Whether he under or overhanded it away is pretty moot really. He may have said underhanded when he overhanded it thinking it would sound slightly more benign, his mate may have paraphrased when writing the article, his mate may have simply created that turn of phrase. Whatever the case of the underhand/ overhand it's just a small detail I wouldn't get too hung up over tbh

I think the underarm/overarm debate is because it questions his credibility. Either way, it sounds like a likely story to me. Could be true I guess.

Archibald&Crooks · Oct 21, 2013

Some of you lot make me laugh with your angles this trajectory that. I reckon I got it sussed. From the footage I reckon it was thrown after a fast bowlers run up after which he paused, swung/twirled his arm around in the air thrice, hopped on one leg, arched back as far as he could and let go, screaming 'fire in the hole lino' as he did so.

Blatant.

kazzah9 · Oct 21, 2013

James_THFC said:
The video below has a really good slow mo of the incident:

It could easily have be an underarm throw IMO. At the same time the smoke bomb is thrown, an arm is raised in the air but I believe the arm belongs to the person celebrating the goal rather than throwing the smoke bomb.

You can also see the trail of smoke further up the tier which supports the blokes explanation.

Main Man · Oct 21, 2013

I like how the steward moves out the way rather than preventing it hit the linesman.

Lock him up aswell!

Main Man · Oct 21, 2013

Archibald&Crooks said:
Some of you lot make me laugh with your angles this trajectory that. I reckon I got it sussed. From the footage I reckon it was thrown after a fast bowlers run up after which he paused, swung/twirled his arm around in the air thrice, hopped on one leg, arched back as far as he could and let go, screaming 'fire in the hole lino' as he did so.

Blatant.

I blame Call of Duty.

dagraham · Oct 21, 2013

Whether its overarm or underarm, the real question is how come huge f****** flares can be brought into football stadiums when I'm not even allowed to bring a bottle of water into WHL?

mpickard2087 · Oct 21, 2013

Just to give my opinion...

Distance wise it could have been an underarm throw, however given he was in the middle of a stand in pretty cramped conditions and with the trajectory it travelled I would find it very hard to believe this was the case.

Case closed

Archibald&Crooks · Oct 21, 2013

Main Man said:
I like how the steward moves out the way rather than preventing it hit the linesman.

Lock him up aswell!

Now you're talking. He should have dived across the lino to take the hit like one of the US Presidents bodyguards, it's in the stewarding code of conduct and the guy took an oath. Aston Villa should be hauled in front of the FA over this.

CowInAComa · Oct 21, 2013

He hit a linesman with a flare in front of live tv cameras.

Sometimes you are better off not embarrassing yourself with lame excuses. Just accept in these instances that youre a dick and everyone knows it.

Shanks · Oct 21, 2013

Hahahaha, debating whether it was underarm or overarm.

Doesn't really matter does it, it hit the linesman, absolute tool whoever threw it.

CowInAComa · Oct 21, 2013

Are you allowed to hit a linesman with a flare if it is thrown underarm?

Is this one of those old legal loopholes like shooting welshmen, or pissing in policemans helmets.

idontgetit · Oct 21, 2013

If he was genuinely aiming then he's a fucking surgeon with a flare. It's way too good a shot to be intentional

dynamoSpurs · Oct 21, 2013

Legend10 said:
The trajectory of that points to underarm IMO.

Looped up and down.

Gravity tends to do that to stuff..

chrissivad · Oct 21, 2013

CowInAComa said:
He hit a linesman with a flare in front of live tv cameras.

Sometimes you are better off not embarrassing yourself with lame excuses. Just accept in these instances that youre a dick and everyone knows it.

yeah, and the guy is now saying he didnt see the lineman.

If he didnt see the linesman or the steward who had a fluorescent jacket on then he couldnt see where he was throwing it and there was no way of knowing if the area was safe to throw it into or not.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 21, 2013

idontgetit said:
If he was genuinely aiming then he's a fucking surgeon with a flare. It's way too good a shot to be intentional

I'd be very surprised if he was intentionally aiming for the linesman. Not even the most moronic of Spurs fans would be trying to do that just after we've scored a goal.

But the fact is that if you launch a flare, or anything else in fact, on to the pitch you have to realise that it can cause damage wherever you're actually aiming so saying 'I didn't mean to hit him' wouldn't be much of a defence.

The only possible defence really is if he was genuinely trying to get it away from him/others because he thought it was dangerous. Even if that is the case I'm not 100% sure that just throwing it towards the pitch was really the most sensible course of action so he might be in trouble anyway.

Hope the person who initially brought it in/lit it is given some sort of banning order though. Really shouldn't be any room for these stupid flares in football today and their increased use in England is a bit worrying.

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