AVB Stay or go now with added poll for your pleasure

Hoddle&Waddle · Dec 15, 2013

RJ1882 said:
Di MArzio, since Baldini's arrival, knows almost everything that is going on at Spurs. He was brilliant in the summer window. Bang on with everything.

I believe Capello was close to getting the job when AVB was appointed aswell. Capello clearly wants it, it's just whether he'd be willing to walk out on Russia.

Shea · Dec 15, 2013

Out of interest - those who think AVB should be given more time still......

What would be the tipping point for when he should be shown the door?

Defeat next against the Saints?

the cup to West Ham? or FA cup to Chelsea?

Dropping into midtable and falling well away from CL place contention?

Remembering our targets for this year was top and if anything to kick on from that level (which has been established as our level since the Jol era really)

What would it take for you as a AVB more time advocate to change your mind and concede he should be replaced?

Not saying all or even any of these things will happen but what would be the scenario that breaks your resolve to keep him in charge?

RuskyM · Dec 15, 2013

Well, I mean...Russia have qualified, haven't they?

They've not really got *that* much to do for the next few months, Fabio could do a job until summer and then see what he wants then. It can't be that big a job, I can do it on FM.

Sarsipius · Dec 15, 2013

shelfmonkey said:
It's very easy to blame AVB entirely for the current situation and I'm not convinced AVB is the man, my personal choices when 'Arry was booted out were Rogers and Martinez (my favoured pick), but Levy has to take a very large slice of the blame, my reasons...... 1) Levy has a diabolical record when it comes to managerial aquisitions, 'Arry and BMJ aside, they've all been monumental failures. How he chooses his appointments is worrying because he doesn't seem to have a clue what he's doing!! 2) I feel sorry for AVB in this instance because he's had too many players (who knows how much input he had in targetting the new arrivals!!) to integrate along with, imo, unrealistic expectations. Again I believe most of the blame lay at Levy's door. I think he's known for longer than many would believe that Bale would be leaving for a ridiculous fee. This is where my bugbear with Levy lies, he should've built the squad over the last 3-5 seasons, we as fans have all seen and expressed our opinions as to what the team has needed over this time and instead of a measured building program this summer he went bananas and chucked cash all over the place!! Unfotunately it looks like the final nail has been hammered, emphatically, into AVB's coffin and we are again looking at the possibility of another less than enamouring managerial appointment, another 'Redadare' like scenario. I mean, who is out there that could possibly take our basket case of a club on?!!

Are you seriously saying you had the foresight to know that all of the failed managers we've had in the last 15 or so years were bad choices before they were made? Like Santini and Ramos for example, arguably the worst appointments. Were you on here posting about what bad choices they were going to be and why? I'd love to read that. As far as I remember they both came with some pretty glowing reputations. I was certainly excited by the continental promise they offered. What an interesting parallel to our current predicament come to think of it...

I think what history shows though is Levy is ballsy enough to admit when it's a bad choice and has dealt with it swiftly. Peculiarly both of their replacements turned out to be pretty good for us in Jol and Redknapp.

As for the squad I can't see the complaint. I think we have a fantastic squad of genuine depth and talent which has taken us years to build and is flourishing in so many ways, not least the recent sale of the worlds most expensive player. It's just we can't get them gelling yet and in this respect I have sympathy for AVB of course it's a tall order.

Nonetheless, how much more of this can we afford?

CowInAComa · Dec 15, 2013

Shea said:
Out of interest - those who think AVB should be given more time still......

What would be the tipping point for when he should be shown the door?

Defeat next against the Saints?

the cup to West Ham? or FA cup to Chelsea?

Dropping into midtable and falling well away from CL place contention?

Remembering our targets for this year was top and if anything to kick on from that level (which has been established as our level since the Jol era really)

What would it take for you as a AVB more time advocate to change your mind and concede he should be replaced?

Not saying all or even any of these things will happen but what would be the scenario that breaks your resolve to keep him in charge?

i firmly believe AvB, or his more to the point his football philosophies, are (EDIT) 'NOT' right for Tottenham or the premier league.

I dont need to see more. Ive been bored shitless for 18 months.

Sum Monsterism · Dec 15, 2013

Archibald&Crooks said:
I agree with pretty much everything you said but this I take issue with i'm afraid. I think it'll be less. Much less. The benchmark on SC has been set. Time, gelling, new team, players settling in are not issues that have any bearing, it is so because they've said so.

SC wants rid after approx 15-20 games. There are and can be no mitigating circumstances. We're condemned to lurch from one manager to another in an eternal search for one who doesn't lose games, has us playing like Brazil in the 70's and wins titles from the off. Scientists estimate that this will finally be achieved when Levy is 316 yrs old and we're all long gone.

How long do you give Andre to implement his vision then A&C?

It is always exciting having the prospect of a(nother) new manager come in... and possibly get us playing the type of tubthumping football Harry spellbound - and spoiled - us with for a number of years. Whichever way; if the prices go up, the fans will expect improvement on their pounds.

the atmos at whl was horrible last year; going cold turkey on the flash stuff we'd become used to - but for bale goals - and now we don't even get to see anyone doing what he did... I refrained from continuing my s/t this year. I just didn't enjoy any part of going to games anymore. The moaning has sullied my love for attending matches... It was a horrible tense waste of £900 +. People have forgotten how intermittent we used to be, and take it all a bit too seriously now. I'm looking at you primarily.

Mr Pink · Dec 15, 2013

im very ambivalent about the whole thing, but what gets me more than anything is i feel its tiring to watch us at times, i spent the whole gane shouting wake up tottenham lol

CrazyHeart · Dec 15, 2013

THOWIG said:
Nobody knows. Lets just sack him anyway. Makes things a lot easier for people.

The only good sacking AVB will do is make a few fans happy that they got a scapegoat punished. As fas as how the club progresses here on out... Well I guess that hasn't been exactly thought out! Granted, today showed that this is AVB's mess and dammit, I want HIM to fix it. He now owes us this.

Kendall · Dec 15, 2013

dondo said:
Not 100% but wikipededia says lewis owns 70% to levys 30% of ENIC cant find anything else to prove me wrong, so not bollocks unless you can prove otherwise smart arse

Fair enough I think you're right. i had thought it was about 50% each. That said, as Levy is chariman and knowing Lewis' investing history I very much doubt he could control Levy's actions. It's not like a shareholder sacking the management, Levy is significant to how the brand of Spurs has progressed. I think it's clear that over the years Lewis has no interesting in running a club.

Blake Griffin · Dec 15, 2013

Oscar22 said:
I don't buy this argument that the squad is poor, it isn't. Don't get me wrong if I could get Rafa, Modric and Bale back i'd leave now to get them from the airport. However we don't have a poor team now far from it.

I appreciate that not everyone is performing to their potential but this for me is the best SQUAD i can remember us ever having. Players like Lamela, Eriksen, Soldado amongst others are ones who people on here have touted on numerous occasions over a number of years. they haven't suddenly become bad players at all.

This season is a system/motivation/tactical problem, there is no lack of talent in this squad whatsoever.

I like AVB, i was pleased when he got the job. However i just don't see how he can fix this. I can take a loss, even the odd naff performance, but even back in the dark days i can't remember too many hammerings like we have had this season. Back then a thrashing was a 5-3 loss or something similar, the point being that we would at least score, or perhaps even have a shot on target! the point being there was a positive to take home, a "we were shit, but at least...." moment. There hasn't been this season for me.

To this point, earlier in the season we weren't playing great but because our defence was so solid we were grinding out wins and taking points home, it was boring but as i say the points were coming in. Now the defence has died as well it's like the one thing we were clinging to has gone too. The one positive has gone, and as much as i like AVB I don't see how he can fix it.

agree really. on paper you can't say liverpool's squad is much better(if at all) than ours, yet they look a hell of a lot better coached than we are.

llamafarmer · Dec 15, 2013

Shea said:
Out of interest - those who think AVB should be given more time still......

What would be the tipping point for when he should be shown the door?

Defeat next against the Saints?

the cup to West Ham? or FA cup to Chelsea?

Dropping into midtable and falling well away from CL place contention?

Remembering our targets for this year was top and if anything to kick on from that level (which has been established as our level since the Jol era really)

What would it take for you as a AVB more time advocate to change your mind and concede he should be replaced?

Not saying all or even any of these things will happen but what would be the scenario that breaks your resolve to keep him in charge?

Would you prefer that we rush into appointing one of the very few options that are realistically available right now? Or that we sack him and put Sherwood or Freund in charge, who have no real managerial experience, righting off most of a season waiting for after the world cup.

The latter seems far more likely if we were to sack AVB, so I'd rather stick by him until the end of the season in the hope that he can make things click.

Dick Dastardly · Dec 15, 2013

Spurs 1961 said:
Let's not get Capello or Hiddink etc. I never liked the idea of AVB because I have never been convinced of his ability. But I have always supported the idea of a younger manager with some chance of building a playing style that will last for a while maybe even beyond managers. The sort of thing Martinez did at Swansea, became imbedded in the club culture and all other managers since have worked to.

Sorry, but I thought that we had a playing style, which should be ingrained in the club from top to bottom. The problem we currently have is that what we're suffering is the polar opposite of that style.

Beni · Dec 15, 2013

CowInAComa said:
yeah liverpools squad is so fucking amazing, and AvB is working with total dross.

I'm saying, Liverpool added a few quality players to add to Suarez.
Would love to know how a manager of Tottenham, and in this instance AVB, would fair if we had kept our world class player (Bale) and added quality on top of him.

beats1 · Dec 15, 2013

Mr Pink said:
im very ambivalent about the whole thing, but what gets me more than anything is i feel its tiring to watch us at times, i spent the whole gane shouting wake up tottenham lol

I actually thought to myself at 4pm, Im going to regret waking for this game. Why dont I just go back to sleep!

Then spent next hour screaming at the ref

TheAmerican · Dec 15, 2013

Hoddle&Waddle said:
I believe Capello was close to getting the job when AVB was appointed aswell. Capello clearly wants it, it's just whether he'd be willing to walk out on Russia.

I think it lines up very, very convincingly.

shelfmonkey · Dec 15, 2013

Beni said:
Thing is, Rogers was backed by the owners by keeping their best player and strengthened on top of that.
We on the other hand, bent over backwards to Real Madrid and sold Bale, and gave them a back rub on top.

Agree, but you what Levy's like when there's a humungous wad of cash being waved in his face.

Joeyboey · Dec 15, 2013

Mr Pink said:
im very ambivalent about the whole thing, but what gets me more than anything is i feel its tiring to watch us at times, i spent the whole gane shouting wake up tottenham lol

I opted for "someone do something". It really was that bad.

cwhite02 · Dec 15, 2013

spurs-r-us said:
Sorry to be that guy, but we got some good results under the previous manager. Annoying twat he might have been, but scores speak for themselves.

Didn't want to bring H's name into this but most on here would have had a field day if these had been his results and style of play.

Shea · Dec 15, 2013

CowInAComa said:
i firmly believe AvB, or his more to the point his football philosophies, are right for Tottenham or the premier league.

I dont need to see more. Ive been bored shitless for 18 months.

are not right yea?

If so I agree fully

beats1 · Dec 15, 2013

TheAmerican said:
I think it lines up very, very convincingly.

Wow what a photo, take your hat off to the photographer, it could only be better if it was taken from the pitch with AVB standing in the foreground

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