It's all over

Flashspur · Dec 19, 2013

You have to admit though, it was hardly set up for attack either...

SpursManChris · Dec 19, 2013

Mullers said:
We had our moment in time, where we could have become top 4 regulars, we blew it. We are going to enter a dark transitional period. Liverpool now threaten the top 4, should they get there, I believe he will be backed with transfer funds to buy players he wants not players the chairman thinks he should have. As for us the next coach will be told players have to be sold if he wants new players. I suspect many of our players will be only to pleased to be shown the door, as nobody wants to stay on a sinking ship. The next coach will also be a short term appointment.
Like I said, it's all over.

What we do know, is that all of what you've said there is PURE negative speculation. What is the actual point of spreading such negativity? We simply do not know what will happen, so why speculate?

NEVILLEB · Dec 19, 2013

idontgetit said:
I think you guys are getting it wrong. I think Levy genuinely tried to do that. Redknapp put us in a good position but showed he could easily have his head turned. He was old and had no interest in developing the kind of highly technical and tactical ethos throughout the club as done by the likes of Barcelona and Ajax. Levy saw in AVB a youthful, high profile, extremely ambitious manager which an attacking, intelligent, technical ethos that could be installed long term to take advantage of our squad. This new manager along with a shiny state of the art training facility, excellent academy and new stadium was a vision of the future of Spurs. Unfortunately what everyone thought was AVB's ethos was not. Rather than highline pressing defence and agressive powerful attacking football we got miss-used highline semi-pressing defence with a team of atheletes, two central defensive midfielders and the inevitable ponderous, slow moving crab football that comes from leaving your most creative passing players on the bench. AVB was not going to take us anywhere, his underlying philosophies were flawed and especially did not fit Tottenham Hotspurs. He had to go, it was just a complete fucking shame he turned out that way

And exactly what he did at Chelsea.

HodisGawd · Dec 19, 2013

We have both blown it and been very, very unlucky. The only team to finish fourth and not be in the Champs League, and last year, under AVB, we got the highest points total not to qualify. To my mind, we had to qualify when we had Modders and Bale, and if not this year. Dread to think what happens next. There are very clearly the top teams in the Prem and the rest, and we've not made it into the top teams. Worrying.

SpurSince57 · Dec 19, 2013

Ray_Evans said:
I want de Boer too..& the way I feel right now, if he brought Bergkamp with him (a signing Sugar apparently turned down when slowly strangling the life out of our club) & the pair of 'em brought us success I'd be absolutely delighted.

Another myth, I'm afraid. Bergkamp just decided Arsenal were a better bet.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/berg...-to-arsenal-extract-from-his-new-book.377385/

If Sugar hadn't come in we'd have had Maxwell. Consider that.

Flashspur · Dec 19, 2013

Has any one checked up on Mullers to see if he is OK. I thought he sounded a little depressed

jambreck · Dec 19, 2013

Mullers said:
Na it doesn't matter about Suarez, even if he come in and done well, he would have be sold when RM came knocking.

.....for a world record fee.

And let's not pretend that Liverpool wouldn't have sold him if RM had come knocking. Only, they would probably have let him go for £50m.

Even Utd couldn't resist when RM came knocking.

michaelj70 · Dec 19, 2013

raf18 said:
I'm not surprised they piss over our midfield when we haven't had our best midfield out once this season.

And here's your stats:

Player, Apps, Goals, Assists, Shots/Game, Key Passes/Game
Eriksen: 5(2), 0, 1, 1.3, 2.6
Allen: 4(3), 0, 0, 0.7, 0.3

Now what? Give him players who will make more out of his passes instead of Defoe receiving them whilst offside and Lennon running out of play, and then the stats will go up even further away from Allen.

passes dont m

dontcallme said:
If Lamela is lame then Hazard is a hazard and Coutinho is a word I'd get banned for.

No doubting we're a mess but many team would love to have Lloris, Vertonghen, a fit Kaboul, Sandro and Lamela.

@dontcallme Your 2013/14 predictions are looking pretty spot on you Countinho

dontcallme · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
passes dont m

@dontcallme Your 2013/14 predictions are looking pretty spot on you Countinho

Yeah, they're looking pretty shoddy.

jambreck · Dec 19, 2013

balalasaurus said:
Like we wouldn't have sold him to RM or Barca the moment they came knocking. Sorry mate but we had Modric Bale and VDV and we let them go. What makes you think it would have been different had we signed the biter?

There is a food chain in football.

Spurs, thankfully, are very near the top of that chain. But there are some clubs above us and we will always lose players to such clubs. So will pretty much any other club in the world.

When the likes of RM are not interested in any of our players, that will be the time to worry.

Misfit · Dec 19, 2013

Mullers said:
We had our moment in time, where we could have become top 4 regulars, we blew it. We are going to enter a dark transitional period. Liverpool now threaten the top 4, should they get there, I believe he will be backed with transfer funds to buy players he wants not players the chairman thinks he should have. As for us the next coach will be told players have to be sold if he wants new players. I suspect many of our players will be only to pleased to be shown the door, as nobody wants to stay on a sinking ship. The next coach will also be a short term appointment.
Like I said, it's all over.

You could be right. Maybe one too many chances taken by DL this time. He won't find his get out of jail free card possibly.

Not sure I'd mind all that so much tbh. The football was terrible of course but damn, I had some great times supporting shite Spurs teams in the late 90's / early 00's. Of course those seeking success would be in for a rough time.

SpurSince57 · Dec 19, 2013

So this is the thread where all the Caspar Milquetoasts hang out, right?

raf18 · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
I am at work and thats the best I could do ... Lamela its in the name he is Lame... a million miles from the likes of Hazard or even Countinho Its not bloody playstation its real football I am talking about the meat and veg of playing on a windy night in Stoke ... they are not up to it. I had a liverpool mate saying to me that he had never see a team like Tottenham to have so many players relinquish the ball so easily as on Sunday. It was schoolboy stuff by excellence and nothing to do with AVB or formations

Coutinho did nothing in Serie A whilst Lamela tore it up. He was sold so they could afford Paulinho. Lamela even skinned him several times when they faced each other. I feel sorry for you if you believe what Liverpool fans think. They'll tell you Kolo Touré is better than Vertonghen.

SpurSince57 · Dec 19, 2013

raf18 said:
Coutinho did nothing in Serie A whilst Lamela tore it up. He was sold so they could afford Paulinho. Lamela even skinned him several times when they faced each other. I feel sorry for you if you believe what Liverpool fans think. They'll tell you Kolo Touré is better than Vertonghen.

His Liverpool supporting mate obviously missed the match when we thrashed them 4-0.

michaelj70 · Dec 19, 2013

raf18 said:
Lloris, Vertonghen, Sandro, Eriksen. There's four nailed on starters.

raf18 said:
They'd just need to start a game together! Hasn't happened once.

This post sums it up we are thinking ifs and maybes.

I am not bothered about - "if Lamela played every game" I am talking about what I have seen and what we have/haven't achieved this year. Thats were my faith in the strength of the current squad is non-existant.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong. Step up to that plate you Erikssens, Lamelas and even to a lesser extent Verts, Sandro's, Lloris

You only have to look at our MOTM awards. Its always 1 player head and shoulders above the rest of shit and then he never appears again for ages. We have no consistency at the moment.

Quality shines through week after week ...but its bloody foggy out there at the moment

jezz · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
Dream on Dream on

ive got a better idea jog on mate

Metalhead · Dec 19, 2013

michaelj70 said:
f***ing cheek of it How is that riducoulous ? Just compare game time stats of Allen and Erikssen and see who is more productive They have Gerrard, Countinho, Henderson and Stirling who piss over our midfield at the moment If you are saying Eriksen is our hero You are deluded

'At the moment'

michaelj70 · Dec 19, 2013

SpurSince57 said:
His Liverpool supporting mate obviously missed the match when we thrashed them 4-0.

yeah right...

SpurSince57 said:
His Liverpool supporting mate obviously missed the match when we thrashed them 4-0.

Blinkered Liverpool fans have just as much right to have opinions as Blinkered Spurs fans. Especially after last week

onthetwo · Dec 19, 2013

not_tenth-again said:
Tottenham. We never miss an opportunity..... to miss an opportunity.

im going to translate that into Latin and suggest it as the new club moto!

jezz · Dec 19, 2013

kaz Hirai said:
when did AVB play to defensive central midfield players??? and when did he always leave our most creative passing players on the bench? can only assume you just mean Eric Lamela

otherwise he often played holtby or eriksen before injury. and Dembele or Paulhino with Sandro for the most part. then along with Sig/Townsend/Lennon/Lamela on the wings

thats 4 attacking players inc striker, one box to box and ONE defensive midfied player by my count. hardly set up to defend

maybe in europa league certainly not in the EPL.
We actually looked like scoring and creating.
AVB was stubborn, i backed him, he had attacking wealth at his disposal, he ignored it mostly.
Not once did we see Eriksen, Lamela and Holtby start a game, pity really because they may well have saved his bacon.

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