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rich75 · Dec 19, 2013

0-Tibsy-0 said:
Given the current predicament, sacking a manager that had long term plans and the players on his side without a replacement, it does definitely lend itself to saying we should have stuck with AVB though. Though many may not have liked the rudder we had with AVB, at least it was one, now w'ere rudderless.

We were losing with our "rudder" in place and so far we still are without it, not sure what the difference is to be honest.

The bit in bold I find a little baffling. So what if he had long term plans, not much good to anyone if they were a bit shit or more importantly if his short term plans were a bit shit. It's all part of this surreal, "he needed more time" stuff, as if he was showing in any way that he was going to get better, as if anything since the day he left Porto showed he was going to get better. Please don't trot out the old "record points total" bollocks. We finished 5th and that's the only thing that mattered.

parklane1 · Dec 19, 2013

SteveH said:
Fans don't moan as much when they are winning/challenging for honors. It helps to have pots of money.

Its always bad when you have to explain your reply

Its me being slow mate, no worries. (y)

FinnYid · Dec 19, 2013

Josiebyar said:
uuuuuuh....West Ham had a full strength 11 on this fixture....

So did we.

stormfly · Dec 19, 2013

I'm not a fan of 442 but how are we going to get the best out of Saldado if we play him as a lone striker? Ade can do it, Defoe and Saldado can't. Can people with more tactical knowledge than me (most of you) think of a system where Saldado can thrive which isn't 442?

walworthyid · Dec 19, 2013

stormfly said:
I'm not a fan of 442 but how are we going to get the best out of Saldado if we play him as a lone striker? Ade can do it, Defoe and Saldado can't. Can people with more tactical knowledge than me (most of you) think of a system where Saldado can thrive which isn't 442?

Ade can't REALLY do it because he tends to wander quite a lot and isn't a natural finisher of half-chances. At the moment I would say that we could possibly go for a fluid 4-4-1-1 like City with Ade in behind Soldado. I think it is probably the only way to get them both in the side or we could perhaps play Ade as a wide forward in a 4-3-3? Neither of these formations will allow us to play our best midfielders though.

Darragh · Dec 19, 2013

all i know is that its absolute joke defoe ahead of soldado last night and at any time

soldado might be no messi or bale or ronado or drogba type but he is light years ahead of the sad excuse of a center forward in defoe...

not making him scapegaot o any kind but he brings absolutely nothing to tottenham first team when he plays and his work rate and movement is pathetic.

spurs in real real danger of going back ten to 15 years where they were in one season. they had succes in their hands and they threw it away , can they catch and save it. my opinion is no chance.

weststandvoice · Dec 19, 2013

npr60 said:
Lol and there was me thinking AVB's Team lost 3 0 to the Hammers?

Go on, I fancy a chuckle. Explain how losing, is actually an improvement on losing.

markieboy · Dec 19, 2013

rez9000 said:
You know who you are:

You got everything you wanted: AVB gone, fast pace, open play, Adebayor in and two up front.

Are you happy NOW?

What next? Burn down the Lane? Sack all the players? Maybe next time you'll THINK before opening your mouths at least!

I am not sure Daniel Levy is a member here.

Jaispurs · Dec 19, 2013

Its pretty simple and the formation was working well for 70 mins. Swapping Lennon and Townsend was baffling? Defoe was constantly offside breaking up our attacking play and Ade was a bit over hyped but we had the pressure and dominated.
As soon as Fryers came on for Rose and Holtby for Ade we lost our shape. Having Holtby, Defoe and Lennon on a pitch against 1 trick pony hoof it tactics gave us no height at set pieces or long balls. They simply by passed the front 3.
Nothing against Holtby, Lennon or Defoe just they are the wrong type of players to see out a game. Ade looked OK to me to last another 13 minutes, even keep him on until he dropped.
Sherwood messed up by going to defensive without a defence and we dropped deep.
There were definite signs of improvement and a glorious goal from inside the box.
With a back 4 of Rose, Dawson, Chircihes and Walker with Capoue holding I think we have a much better chance against Southampton.
All is not lost boys, keep the faith #COYS

markieboy · Dec 19, 2013

Lets look on the bright side,getting beat by the hammers saves us from getting a hammering from City in the semi final....................which really does feel much,much worse.

Rocksuperstar · Dec 19, 2013

Darragh said:
all i know is that its absolute joke defoe ahead of soldado last night and at any time

soldado might be no messi or bale or ronado or drogba type but he is light years ahead of the sad excuse of a center forward in defoe...

not making him scapegaot o any kind but he brings absolutely nothing to tottenham first team when he plays and his work rate and movement is pathetic.

spurs in real real danger of going back ten to 15 years where they were in one season. they had succes in their hands and they threw it away , can they catch and save it. my opinion is no chance.

I think Defoe still has a job in our squad, he's got a lot of experience and i'm sure he's looked up to for that, but i agree on the Soldado front - especially if we give him some company to bring the ball down and play one twos with. He's lethal in that old fashioned striker role in Spain, so we employ him in a role that requires him to be creator and finisher and that's clearly not his game. Think the way Lineker used to play - he barely ever created anything, he'd be the guy in the box making the defender paranoid because they knew that if the ball fell to him he was going to hit the target every time. Leaving Solly up there on his own he's simply out numbered.

Now's when we find out if Sherwood & Sir Les have identified our weaknesses and were simply ignored by AVB or if they haven't and are as much to blame for the bizarre roles we expect our players to take up as AVB was. I hope that's not the case, as i don't think yet more sackings/replacements are going to get us anywhere right now.

JerryGarcia · Dec 19, 2013

Darragh said:
all i know is that its absolute joke defoe ahead of soldado last night and at any time

soldado might be no messi or bale or ronado or drogba type but he is light years ahead of the sad excuse of a center forward in defoe...

not making him scapegaot o any kind but he brings absolutely nothing to tottenham first team when he plays and his work rate and movement is pathetic.

spurs in real real danger of going back ten to 15 years where they were in one season. they had succes in their hands and they threw it away , can they catch and save it. my opinion is no chance.

I assumed that Soldado was being rested for the league?

WestBelfast Spurs · Dec 19, 2013

Josiebyar said:
uuuuuuh....West Ham had a full strength 11 on this fixture....

and played a ghost striker and we lost

camaj · Dec 19, 2013

Nocando said:
Doubt it. There's something very wrong at this club. The fans think they can be whingy and negative all the time and it wont affect anything - They are simply too stupid to realise. The club will get exactly what it deserves and that's another unsuccessful manager that can't get a thing right.

Enjoy what you've created.

The attitude of a section of fans is appalling. They'll blame everyone else but themselves. I'm worried that Levy thinks the same way, despite my belief that he's quite astute. If not I'm worried that he cares more about appeasing the fans than doing what he feels is right.

I can accept that people didn't think Andre was doing enough right now but he was doing enough in the summer when we all wanted him to stay. He didn't become a crap manager over night. We were 4pts of 4th IIRC, maybe if we were 4th from bottom I could understand a bit of panic but not now. You don't overhaul the squad and then sack the manager before he has a chance to fix things. Maybe if you had managed to line up one of the best managers in the world to come in straight away but even then it's a bit harsh. Why not wait until summer and if things are really that bad then make a rational choice.

parklane1 · Dec 19, 2013

camaj said:
The attitude of a section of fans is appalling. They'll blame everyone else but themselves. I'm worried that Levy thinks the same way, despite my belief that he's quite astute. If not I'm worried that he cares more about appeasing the fans than doing what he feels is right.

I can accept that people didn't think Andre was doing enough right now but he was doing enough in the summer when we all wanted him to stay. He didn't become a crap manager over night. We were 4pts of 4th IIRC, maybe if we were 4th from bottom I could understand a bit of panic but not now. You don't overhaul the squad and then sack the manager before he has a chance to fix things. Maybe if you had managed to line up one of the best managers in the world to come in straight away but even then it's a bit harsh. Why not wait until summer and if things are really that bad then make a rational choice.

Could not agree more, i support Levy but he was wrong to give in to the media hacks and boo boys, i wish he had not lost his balls and given in to them.

Parklane Block 34 · Dec 19, 2013

We were the most boring spurs team I have ever seen. That's why I am pleased AVB has gone

Sure the tactics might of been suspect last night and think the substitutions were poor however May of been forced. But that's was so much better last night than I've seen this season.

No I don't want Sherwood as manager btw.

A decent manager should do well with this set of players

camaj · Dec 19, 2013

Parklane Block 34 said:
We were the most boring spurs team I have ever seen. That's why I am pleased AVB has gone

Don't recall you saying that in the summer

Mr Pink · Dec 19, 2013

0-Tibsy-0 said:
Nope, I imagine the ones wanting to give AVB time will still be saying that we should have given him time, but are the level headed ones who will also want to give a new manager time as we want t to build something! Its the knee jerk fans calling for AVB to sacked straightaway that will be the same problem going forward.

Rubbish. I think it was the correct decision to let him go in the end and I'll definitely be behind giving a new manager plenty of time providing we are seeing some progress on the pitch even if the results could be better.

In the end, if you can get the performances as close as you can to what you're trying to achieve results will take care of themselves in a positive way.

The way we were going with AVB suggested otherwise. There would of been plenty more damage to come in my mind playing the way we were week in week out like that.

Barry Mead · Dec 19, 2013

weststandvoice said:
Go on, I fancy a chuckle. Explain how losing, is actually an improvement on losing.

Well losing by the odd goal certainly feels a lot better than losing by 3 5 or 6 goals even if it's not the result you want.
Would you really be as happy losing games by wider margins?

0-Tibsy-0 · Dec 19, 2013

Mr Pink said:
Rubbish. I think it was the correct decision to let him go in the end and I'll definitely be behind giving a new manager plenty of time providing we are seeing some progress on the pitch even if the results could be better.

In the end, if you can get the performances as close as you can to what you're trying to achieve results will take care of themselves in a positive way.

The way we were going with AVB suggested otherwise. There would of been plenty more damage to come in my mind playing the way we were week in week out like that.

But the reason many people with views similar to myself are so disillusioned at the moment is due to the opinion that we have caused more damage to ourselves by sacking AVB on Levys whim without any plan in place. Basically we have substituted any notion of stability going forward for what at the moment looks at worst complete chaos and upheaval with no plan in place and at best yet another state of transition. (I wager the former).

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