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Gaz_Gammon

Gaz_Gammon

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If we want one, we have to put up with the other. Today it worked well enough to win because we had a motivated, liberated Adebayor with a point to prove. For those mounting an 'I told you so argument' and berating AVB for not playing Adebayor, I think you're missing the point. Adebayor plays well when he feels comfortable with his manager. By contrast, he drifts about looking lost when he doesn't feel that the manager loves him. He didn't get on with AVB and there would have been little point in playing him, because he probably would have been a waste of space. The relationship had deteriorated too badly for it to be rescued. He does apparently get on with Sherwood - and the fact that Sherwood clearly has confidence in Adebayor will reinforce that - and the result was Ade at his absolute best: not only scoring two very good goals, but closing down, passing, winning and protecting possession, occupying defenders and creating all manner of problems on the wings. He's one of the world's hardest-to-play strikers when he plays like this.
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Reference the "I told you argument" well i (we) were telling that weeks ago. Fucking obvious, you only have to look to Sturridge to see what a striker can do given support and the confidence of his manager.

Sherwood:

"Ade was a very good player at other clubs, so why not here?"

100% spot on, and how many did Ade score under Redknapp.



The way Sherwood set out to play gave more than only Ade confidence but also The Soldier who had as many chances to score today than the total sum this whole season. Flame away by all means but Sherwood, like Redknapp knew we had the team, it was just developing a style and giving confidence to produce a good performance.

For his first PL game in charge i'd give Sherwood 8/10 and Ade was by far the best player on the pitch by a country mile.
 
jurgen

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SpursManChris said:
I'm not sure that's taking advantage of his height.
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Maybe not directly, but instead taking advantage of his skill, pace and direct running and ability to pick a pass and hold up the ball.. which to me is what he brings on form even more than potential headers in the box.. I also think him and Soldado taking turns to break off wider makes us much less predictable up front. And Bobby can pick a mean cross out too.. who knew?
 
Acid

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tiger666 said:
What exactly was wrong with the lineup?
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For me in a nutshell (don't want to go into the negatives when we have a win) the 442 without cultured CDM (and a complete or very intelligent CM for that matter) is a big mistake that will usually cost goals, most probably the last 10 minutes as we've seen before. I wouldn't consider Dembelle a cultured CDM although he is capable on his day. So balance was my concern and the same old script of running about creating half un-taken chances then loosing it in the last ten minutes, a painful viewing experience that has occurred often over the last 10 years :p

The way most teams set up now I can't see us getting anywhere vs top 5 teams using it or the strategy employed with it for various reasons all stated on here before by others better than I could. (In fairness he may go with Ramsey's 433 vs top 5 teams for all I know)

A question for you, having not watched the game, did we dominate? any nice possession football? Basically how big, if any, was the element of luck in play for the win?
 
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Gaz_Gammon

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Archibald&Crooks said:
Did anyone else notice the Ref looking at Ade as he danced his celebration dance to the fans after scoring his second goal? He was looking at him as if to say 'what the fuck do you look like?' Hilarious.
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Foy was thinking:

Perhaps i could do a bit of that.............

Then:

Fuck me no i can't...............................


Better stick to being an out of my depth ref...............
 
Gaz_Gammon

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Acid said:
For me in a nutshell (don't want to go into the negatives when we have a win) the 442 without cultured CDM (and a complete or very intelligent CM for that matter) is a big mistake that will usually cost goals, most probably the last 10 minutes as we've seen before.

The way most teams set up now I can't see us getting anywhere vs top 5 teams using it or the strategy employed with it for various reasons all stated on here before by others better than I could. (In fairness he may go with Ramsey's 433 vs top 5 teams for all I know)

A question for you, having not watched the game, did we dominate? any nice possession football? Basically how big, if any, was the element of luck in play for the win?
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One was injured and the second suspended. The Beast WILL return!
 
only1waddle

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Seeing Bentaleb today made me feel glad AvB has gone, the whole obsession and clamour for world class players when a decent young player is right under his nose has made my mind up, he wasn't the right man for us.
Not sure Sherwood is either but he has given a much needed confidence boost, if we take that into the next few games then another 6 points should be ours against West Brom and Stoke.
 
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Is Tim Sherwood making selections and decisions for the good of the team or for the good of his CV?

They can be mutually beneficial but I think it is more a case of the latter.

Will be very interesting to see how the next few games go. The media onslaught in support of his appointment will only increase.

I hope Levy takes his time and does not make a knee jerk appointment of Sherwood. I am sure he will do fine with decreased expectations for the rest of the season but not sure he is the right man for the long term.
 
Spurger King

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SpursManChris said:
Who?
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Luka Van der Bale

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Acid said:
For me in a nutshell (don't want to go into the negatives when we have a win) the 442 without cultured CDM (and a complete or very intelligent CM for that matter) is a big mistake that will usually cost goals, most probably the last 10 minutes as we've seen before. I wouldn't consider Dembelle a cultured CDM although he is capable on his day. So balance was my concern and the same old script of running about creating half un-taken chances then loosing it in the last ten minutes, a painful viewing experience that has occurred often over the last 10 years :p

The way most teams set up now I can't see us getting anywhere vs top 5 teams using it or the strategy employed with it for various reasons all stated on here before by others better than I could. (In fairness he may go with Ramsey's 433 vs top 5 teams for all I know)

A question for you, having not watched the game, did we dominate? any nice possession football? Basically how big, if any, was the element of luck in play for the win?
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If this season has taught you anything, surely it's that possession =/= domination. And winning without possession =/= luck.
 
Teegart

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Us playing 442 without Adebayor won't work IMO. The sole reason it did was due to the running and work rate of Ade. Something Defoe won't offer in the slightest.

This will be Sherwoods big test for me over Xmas. Ade can't play both upcoming games you would think, especially as his match fitness won't be the same as everyone else's. Now when Ade does get a rest, if Sherwood plays Defoe up top along with Soldado, it will confirm to me he's going to stubbornly persist with his "anti AVB" tactics no matter what, and confirm my fears he's not ready to manage a team like Spurs.
 
Scarlet57

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Does anyone have a link to a video interview with Sherwood joking about getting a bonus for playing Bentaleb? The bbc report doesn't include that bit.
 
SpursManChris

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Teegart said:
Now when Ade does get a rest, if Sherwood plays Defoe up top along with Soldado, it will confirm to me he's going to stubbornly persist with his "anti AVB" tactics no matter what, and confirm my fears he's not ready to manage a team like Spurs.
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All because he plays defoe with soldado?
 
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