Tottenham Vs Benfica: Match Thread

TheGreenLily · Mar 14, 2014

Shadydan said:
We didn't spend it wisely because we had no clear plan for them, I said nothing about them being shit players.

As far as I'm concerned, we didn't need 7 players nor did we have to blow all the cash to cover our returns, what's more is that we failed to strengthen the left back position when clearly that was in need of cover.

I think the player we brought though will eventually come good if they are given the correct coaching but it's obvious we made a complete mess of this summer.

I agree to most of that.

I still believe we spent the money wisely, it is what came after was the complete cluster fook.

EDIT: Actually, if you look at 4-3-3 formation, all those players fitted in nicely and would have allowed for rotation.

There was a plan there, it just wasn't allowed to be implemented by the demands of getting CL spot. IMO.

millsey · Mar 14, 2014

Wow. See wh

L.S.U.Yiddo said:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/sl-benfica/transfers/verein_294.html

According to the above they spent just over £34.2m and made £34.8m in sales this season.

wow. See what they do with 110.million

Tit&Ham · Mar 14, 2014

guiltyparty said:
"Used to be" being the operative term

He had classic new manager uplift. Since first few games we've been terrible, all over the shop and more reliant on Adebayor than we ever were on Bale. If he plays shit, we lose, without fail.

I just don't see how people have faith, or can get excited at all, in Sherwood. He looks clueless, Redknapp lite, total chancer. Cat out of bag I guess. I've tried to sit on the fence but he winds me right up

Starting Kane ahead of Soldado when the latter has just scored his first goal in ages is up there with the most ridiculous decisions I've ever seen

Sticking Eriksen out on the left in a 442 is batshit too

Anyone

I'm probably tired, and over-depressed, but this bit made me laugh

idontgetit · Mar 14, 2014

postigol said:
Eriksen and Chriches haven't failed. So really we've only wasted £26m+£30m+£7m+£17m+£11m=£91m.

You missed his point, I doubt he thinks those guys are failure, more that they have been failed

CrazyHeart · Mar 14, 2014

Shadydan said:
We didn't spend it wisely because we had no clear plan for them, I said nothing about them being shit players.

As far as I'm concerned, we didn't need 7 players nor did we have to blow all the cash to cover our returns, what's more is that we failed to strengthen the left back position when clearly that was in need of cover.

I think the player we brought though will eventually come good if they are given the correct coaching but it's obvious we made a complete mess of this summer.

We can thank Levy and Baldini for most of those signings.

TheGreenLily · Mar 14, 2014

postigol said:
Eriksen and Chriches haven't failed. So really we've only wasted £26m+£30m+£7m+£17m+£11m=£91m.

None of them have failed in all honesty.

Just everything else around them has failed.

The unneeded pressure on AVB to get CL football, rather than allowing him the space to integrate the players and develop his system... Oh it just goes on and on... and all the way back to Levy.

guiltyparty · Mar 14, 2014

paulcumpstone said:
i think the biggest problem with this spurs side is we create literally fuck all, hence when we concede we know we are buggered, apart from the adebayor chance i can't recall us creating anything.

Our only creative player is stuck out on the left, we have two tanks who just pass square in the middle and the bloke on the right

Tit&Ham said:
I'm probably tired, and over-depressed, but this bit made me laugh

Then tonight was not in vain

Shadydan · Mar 14, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
We can thank Levy and Baldini for most of those signings.

Yup, which was my original point, point the finger at board level.

idontgetit · Mar 14, 2014

TheGreenLily said:
None of them have failed in all honesty.

Just everything else around them has failed.

The unneeded pressure on AVB to get CL football, rather than allowing him the space to integrate the players and develop his system... Oh it just goes on and on... and all the way back to Levy.

AVB developed his system by December of his first season. Nothing changed since then and nothing was ever going to change. Believe me, I was in the he's just waiting for thisplayer/januarywindow/summerwindow/eriksentogetfit/etcetc camp every single game. AVB's style was what you had been watching for the previous 18 months. There was going to be no magical turning point where it all magically came together in to beautiful effective football. Not without a couple of the worlds best forwards in the frontline and a £30m+, £200,000pw central midfielder to make things tick

CrazyHeart · Mar 14, 2014

Shadydan said:
Yup, which was my original point, point the finger at board level.

No finger pointing, that just appears to be the case.

TheGreenLily · Mar 14, 2014

idontgetit said:
AVB developed his system by December of his first season. Nothing changed since then and nothing was ever going to change. Believe me, I was in the he's just waiting for thisplayer/januarywindow/summerwindow/eriksentogetfit/etcetc camp every single game. AVB's style was what you had been watching for the previous 18 months. There was going to be no magical turning point where it all magically came together in to beautiful effective football. Not without a couple of the worlds best forwards in the frontline and a £30m+, £200,000pw central midfielder to make things tick

Shame, I always thought he was about his famous 4-3-3... Maybe the slaughter he got off the press put an end to that idea.

Shadydan · Mar 14, 2014

idontgetit said:
AVB developed his system by December of his first season. Nothing changed since then and nothing was ever going to change. Believe me, I was in the he's just waiting for thisplayer/januarywindow/summerwindow/eriksentogetfit/etcetc camp every single game. AVB's style was what you had been watching for the previous 18 months. There was going to be no magical turning point where it all magically came together in to beautiful effective football. Not without a couple of the worlds best forwards in the frontline

AVB's system relies on a regista which he had at Porto. He simply fit the pieces around Moutinho oh and it helped having one of the best forwards in Europe as well.

From time he didn't get Moutinho his system was never going to work and was too inexperienced and stubborn to change it to suit the players.

Darth Vega · Mar 14, 2014

worcestersauce said:
Nope, the season when we blew third and gifted it to arsenal and missed out on CL by chelsea becoming champions of Europe outstrips this one for pure gut wrenching soul destroying waste of nine months of my life by miles. This one is a pimple on my bum in comparison.
Just back from the game and they were quite simply better than us, a class above I'm afraid.
A quick question; who in our squad could have scored their first goal?

Based on what I saw last season, Lamela. We'd be lucky if we had someone to make that sort of a pass anyway, shit defending or not we only pass it sideways or play long balls nowadays.

CrazyHeart · Mar 14, 2014

idontgetit said:
AVB developed his system by December of his first season. Nothing changed since then and nothing was ever going to change. Believe me, I was in the he's just waiting for thisplayer/januarywindow/summerwindow/eriksentogetfit/etcetc camp every single game. AVB's style was what you had been watching for the previous 18 months. There was going to be no magical turning point where it all magically came together in to beautiful effective football. Not without a couple of the worlds best forwards in the frontline

Really? Did you not see the Manchester City game last year where we were out gunned in the first half, and goal down and AVB switched things up, re-calibrated his midfield and overcame City's full strength team with a 3-1 victory? What about taking out Madchester United in their prime with Fergie in charge at Old Trafford? AVB's switched up his 4-3-3 to morph into a 4-5-1 and a 5-4-1 depending on the opposition. Sure, his high-backline was a a touch annoying at times, but at least it was a system. Under Sherwood... I see none.

Ribble · Mar 14, 2014

idontgetit said:
and a £30m+, £200,000pw central midfielder to make things tick

I don't think it would have taken someone that expensive, just someone with the actual skillset required for the role playing regularly. Hell, the academy produced 2 players from the kids who are better suited to the job than the two players we did buy for over £30m combined.

Tit&Ham · Mar 14, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
Sherwood is a really nice guy, but he SUCKS as a head coach. The football has consistently blown under him and the Pointer Sisters are about to release a new single in his honour : "It's raining goals... hallelujah!"... Anybody who thinks Sherwood is still a better option than letting AVB finish out the season needs their freakin' heads examined. I'm done with this guy - he's in over his head! It's going to be down to the players now, who've now been demoralised thanks to our loose-lipped youth coach. Before you ask... YES, many of us DID see this coming!

I wish Tim all the best in whatever he does, but puleeeze! This is just ridiculous now... Harry Kane?! What the FRAK! We can't even string a couple of passes together anymore! I can't wait 'til we get a pro to handle the job! That's if they'll even come now after Levy's Darth Vader choke style antics, to those who can't complete the Death Star in one month without any time to lay any foundations! I'm done! What happened to my club?!

Who do you think you are to call him a nice guy??

Seriously; I agree. We have a Soldado who Timmy said in his own words "only needed the one to get in". Well, he got it in against Cardiff, then all of a sudden he isn't even second choice.

Reminds me of the really good game Lamela had, and then we never saw him again...

In all honesty I believe we have 4 defenders capable of dedending, maybe even top 3-4 defence in the league player by player. But I am nervous every time the opposition is on our half. Hell, I'm even nervous when WE have corners... And we can't blame the defence for not being supported; we have 2 sitting midfielder from the Brazilian national team and we don't attack. Not every match at least...

Shadydan · Mar 14, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
Really? Did you not see the Manchester City game last year where we were out gunned in the first half, and goal down and AVB switched things up, re-calibrated his midfield and overcame City's full strength team with a 3-1 victory? What about taking out Madchester United in their prime with Fergie in charge at Old Trafford? AVB's switched up his 4-3-3 to morph into a 4-5-1 and a 5-4-1 depending on the opposition. Sure, his high-backline was a a touch annoying at times, but at least it was a system. Under Sherwood... I see none.

We were terrible in that game at OT, only turning up for 45 mins but the City game was great, really gave me hope that AVB was the man to take us forward but it wasn't the case.

I don't see the merits of arguing who is better btw, both had/have their problems as managers and it looks like we're better off without them tbh.

CrazyHeart · Mar 14, 2014

Shadydan said:
We were terrible in that game at OT, only turning up for 45 mins but the City game was great, really gave me hope that AVB was the man to take us forward but it wasn't the case.

I don't see the merits of arguing who is better btw, both had/have their problems as managers and it looks like we're better off without them tbh.

AVB and Sherwood don't belong in the same sentence. One is a trained, proven coach with a track record of success at the highest level and the other is a AYSO league coach. It's quite insulting to even equate the two.

Edit: AYSO stands for the American Youth Soccer Association, catering for 4 year olds to 19 year olds... Granted he's not American, but it's still applicable as a metaphor in this case!

Shadydan · Mar 14, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
AVB and Sherwood don't belong in the same sentence. One is a trained, proven coach with a track record of success at the highest level and the other is a AYSO league coach. It's quite insulting to even equate the two.

But ultimately both failed at Spurs, that should be the issue here not what they've done at previous clubs.

idontgetit · Mar 14, 2014

Shadydan said:
AVB's system relies on a regista which he had at Porto. He simply fit the pieces around Moutinho oh and it helped having one of the best forwards in Europe as well.

From time he didn't get Moutinho his system was never going to work and was too inexperienced and stubborn to change it to suit the players.

True but he never tried to get players like Holtby or Eriksen involved in the game deeper. He got rid of Hudd. He never looked like a man who desperately wanted a Modric/Xavi type player, other than his wonder boy from Porto that is.

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