The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Aero Edition 9th May 2014

Spurrific · May 14, 2014

Amo said:
dees manz onna beef ting innit

Jam your hype, poomplex. Kmt.

Mr Pink · May 14, 2014

Spurger King said:
Yet Southampton's record of gaining points from a losing position was incredibly poor. Doesn't exactly suggest a side willing to bust a gut to get back into a game, or a manager that knows how to change the outcome through tactical decisions.

If he had taken more points from losing positions the concern would be how he has them starting games and his luck would run out lol

Your points total is your points total and there will be question marks over all of them if we look deep enough.

But in this case....Spurger 1 Mr Pink 0

Amo · May 14, 2014

Spurrific said:
Jam your hype, poomplex. Kmt.

I swear I only just saw you have 'Mad Ting' in your profile after I posted. What a coincidence.

Or maybe it was on the periphery of my vision and my subconscious picked it up, giving me an insatiable urge to speak in Mandem. We will never know.

thinktank · May 14, 2014

jair1970 said:
Sheesh.

We're half way through a mutiny!

Sherwood is minimum rumoured to have fallen out with Sandro, Capoue, Dembele, Holtby.
He hauled off Chiriches & showed no faith in him.
Paulinho got the hump when he got dropped & his agent is touting him around
Vertonghen has been trying to get out since before even Sherwood started.
Lloris won't be without offers.
He dropped Townsend, gave up playing Soldado by the end.

The only players left obviously 'happy' were Ade, Eriksen and his babies.

The tactics were erratic, the formations varied week by week, he played players in entirely new positions on a whim, talked utter nonsense to the press, undermined the players' confidence repeatedly and contrived to become so unpopular amongst the plans that he couldn't even play in a testimonial!

But he won 59% of his games. AND LOST 37% of them: the worst rate of a Spurs coach.

Sherwood, everybody. Thankyou very much.

Give him a while...that lot will take time to register.

markieboy · May 14, 2014

WiganSpur said:
Some people's expectations are beyond ridiculous. For some it appears there can't be any flaws in our new manager whatsoever.

Absolutely..............he can't have supported Arsenal at any time in his life,he can't be English,he musn't wear a gilet,he can't be animated on the sidelines,he must not care,he has to speak a foreign language and he has to love Sandro and Holtby.

Dirty Ewok · May 14, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
So badly managed and coached that they've won 60% of their games under Sherwood.

May be true but i think we could have been much better (regardless of manager)...

Simplest thing is look at the play of the individual pieces. We had drops in form from Sandro, Paulinho, Dembele, Vertonghen, Capoue at a minimum (others may argue more) and had increase in performance from Eriksen and Ade. Eriksen was likely to succeed under whichever manager, Ade being reintroduced to the squad and playing well is a credit to Tim.

The squad survived and succeeded driven mainly by moments of brillance by an individual player not the effort of an entire squad. Tim took talented players with track records of success (Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho, Jan) and had them playing at an average/poor level.

Look at Atleti and see what happens when you have a manager who is able to consistently get average players to play at a higher level and consistently be put in a situation to succeed. Atleti absolutely have some talented players but also have a fair share of middle of the road players (especially compared to Real/Barca or several other CL teams) and Simeone was able to raise their performance.

Tim was never able to consistently put players into a situation to succeed and over an extended period of time it would have caught up to us.

Spurrific · May 14, 2014

Amo said:
I swear I only just saw you have 'Mad Ting' in your profile after I posted. What a coincidence.

Or maybe it was on the periphery of my vision and my subconscious picked it up, giving me an insatiable urge to speak in Mandem. We will never know.

It's because you and I - our souls are intertwined. We were destined to cross paths on this most blessed of nights.

TheAmerican · May 14, 2014

The Telegraph are stating that Pochettino will personally need to pay a £2m compensation fee if he breaks his contract with Southampton.

"Former executive chairman Nicola Cortese drew up the contract that states Pochettino has to personally pay the outstanding amount if he breaks his Southampton agreement early."

source

I'm sure we could somehow pay that, but it's a very interesting clause.

markieboy · May 14, 2014

Dirty Ewok said:
May be true but i think we could have been much better (regardless of manager)...

Simplest thing is look at the play of the individual pieces. We had drops in form from Sandro, Paulinho, Dembele, Vertonghen, Capoue at a minimum (others may argue more) and had increase in performance from Eriksen and Ade. Eriksen was likely to succeed under whichever manager, Ade being reintroduced to the squad and playing well is a credit to Tim.

The squad survived and succeeded driven mainly by moments of brillance by an individual player not the effort of an entire squad. Tim took talented players with track records of success (Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho, Jan) and had them playing at an average/poor level.

Look at Atleti and see what happens when you have a manager who is able to consistently get average players to play at a higher level and consistently be put in a situation to succeed. Atleti absolutely have some talented players but also have a fair share of middle of the road players (especially compared to Real/Barca or several other CL teams) and Simeone was able to raise their performance.

Tim was never able to consistently put players into a situation to succeed and over an extended period of time it would have caught up to us.

Fair enough..I would be more than happy with Diego Simeone ........is he coming?

ShaunL84 · May 14, 2014

We can put £2 million into Mopos account, That won't be an issue.

Breezer · May 14, 2014

Amo said:
dees manz onna beef ting innit

Lennon is that you??? :cautious:

Amo · May 14, 2014

Breezer said:
Lennon is that you???

nah bruv lennon is sick at football and im shit.

Franchise60 · May 14, 2014

markieboy said:
Are you being serious?

Do you have an issue with any of the facts I posted about Sherwood?

I mean if we're going to bang on about 59% winning pct then we shouldn't ignore 35% losing pct (avb's was what, 20?) and a pathetic display in three cups, right?

thinktank · May 14, 2014

markieboy said:
Absolutely..............he can't have supported Arsenal at any time in his life,he can't be English,he musn't wear a gilet,he can't be animated on the sidelines,he must not care,he has to speak a foreign language and he has to love Sandro and Holtby.

I do admire your dedication. Gotta give it to you.

Sum Monsterism · May 14, 2014

markieboy said:
Absolutely..............he can't have supported Arsenal at any time in his life,he can't be English,he musn't wear a gilet,he can't be animated on the sidelines,he must not care,he has to speak a foreign language and he has to love Sandro and Holtby.

HONK!

thinktank · May 14, 2014

TheAmerican said:
The Telegraph are stating that Pochettino will personally need to pay a £2m compensation fee if he breaks his contract with Southampton.

"Former executive chairman Nicola Cortese drew up the contract that states Pochettino has to personally pay the outstanding amount if he breaks his Southampton agreement early."

source

I'm sure we could somehow pay that, but it's a very interesting clause.

Supposed to be a deterrent but not an effective one. Obvious ways around it.

Franchise60 · May 14, 2014

markieboy said:
But Tim Sherwood got our squad, with all our injuries,performing like a top 4 team..........why replace him to bring in this guy?

top 4 teams usually don't lose every single match against top 4 teams

Roynie · May 14, 2014

Oh, FFS! I can't be arsed to read any more of this bitch slapping crap. I'm out of here until a decision is announced, and I'm sure even then many of you will be moaning about how Burkinshaw and/or Pleat were sacked when they shouldn't hae been.

TTFN

thinktank · May 14, 2014

Franchise60 said:
top 4 teams usually don't lose every single match against top 4 teams

Bonkers, aren't they.

And totally relentless.

That blast of reality won't have any impact whatsoever. I guarantee it.

markieboy · May 14, 2014

Franchise60 said:
top 4 teams usually don't lose every single match against top 4 teams

If we lost all our games against the top 4 teams and won all the rest................we would be Champions.

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