The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31st May 2014

HotspurResi · Jun 3, 2014

lemony snickets said:
I would suggest they are, having narrowly missed out on winning the champions league & beating Real & Barcelona to win their league title

The facts are right, yes they finished 1st in the league so the Club is a top 4 side, but not all the individuals in the sq

lemony snickets said:
I would suggest they are, having narrowly missed out on winning the champions league & beating Real & Barcelona to win their league title

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit you know !

lemony snickets · Jun 3, 2014

Each to their own though. I just think he's one of those players we always seem to get worked up on signing after they have only had one good season in the league. I think we'd be jumping the gun on him.[/quote]
i do rate Bony, but what about Michu, when he was fit, his link up play was top draw, he's excellent in the air & can shoot too. He's practically had a season off through injury last year, must be raring to go now i'd have thought ?

Mr Pink · Jun 3, 2014

samspurs92 said:
Hmmm every time I've seen him, he seems quite clumsy and in any lovely intricate exchange he is involved in, it seems like it's a bit of a surprise that he's kept it flowing, a bit flukey.

Each to their own though. I just think he's one of those players we always seem to get worked up on signing after they have only had one good season in the league. I think we'd be jumping the gun on him.

Actually I would of agreed with you before Christmas. My first impressions were that he was a bit clumsy and certainly lacked any kind of finesse. But as the season wore on I became more and more impressed with him. His all round game really improved for me.

Anyhow, there's not ITK on the lad so I'll bow out on this one for now

rawhide · Jun 3, 2014

lemony snickets said:
I would suggest they are, having narrowly missed out on winning the champions league & beating Real & Barcelona to win their league title

See this is where you're either missing the point or being sarcastic and causing even more confusion.

Most top teams don't have a squad filled exclusively with top quality players.

Djimi Traore and Ryan Bertrand both have Champions League Winners Medals, and people like Nani, John O'Shea and Anderson have Premier League Winners medals.

lemony snickets · Jun 3, 2014

HotspurResi said:
The facts are right, yes they finished 1st in the league so the Club is a top 4 side, but not all the individuals in the sq

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit you know !

highest form of intelligence too

For what it's worth, i apologise

Snarfalicious · Jun 3, 2014

Grey Fox' ITK is great news. Really just think we are a CB and LB away from a good/great Starting XI with the potential to be very special if Poch can get the most out of the players.

SpurSince57 · Jun 3, 2014

sloth said:
My understanding was exactly as in this article, basically we paid him a lump sum up front, but also got a reduced transfer fee to reflect this, and ade was signed on to a flat wage of around £90k. I never quite understood why many seemed to think City continued to subsidise his wages?

I think most people—myself included—just assumed this to be the case, which was very lazy of us. I only took the trouble to check when it was suggested that City's contribution would cease this summer. I really couldn't see Levy letting that go by when he closed the deal.

HappySpur · Jun 3, 2014

rawhide said:
See this is where you're either missing the point or being sarcastic and causing even more confusion.

Most top teams don't have a squad filled exclusively with top quality players.

Djimi Traore and Ryan Bertrand both have Champions League Winners Medals, and people like Nani, John O'Shea and Anderson have Premier League Winners medals.

Well, now that you've sold me on Traore, Bertrand, Nani, O'Shea and Anderson........who can we get as a CF?

SpurSince57 · Jun 3, 2014

NorthernMonkey said:
Exactly this. Poch has a system he likes to play, but surely has to have the ability to adapt it to the personel he has at his disposal.
My Onion would be to get rid of Ade. Completely unpredictable as to what we'll get out of him this season. As a replacement, I'd love someone with pace and power. Bony fits that mould, but you have to accept that he'll be disappearing off to the ACN every other season, including the upcoming one.

No, it isn't. If he's a happy bunny, we'll get Good Ade, which means one of the best strikers in the EPL and the best we've had since Klinsmann. If he's not happy, we get Bad Ade, who sulks around in best Berbatov fashion and only shows up when he feels like it. If Redknapp and Sherwood can get Good Ade, shouldn't Pochettino be able to manage the same feat? It raises questions over his man-management abilities if he can't—and signing Osvaldo, who isn't merely a prima donna but an out-and-out nutjob, shows he's not afraid of a challenge.

Sure, Ade's a loose cannon, but if he wasn't we wouldn't have him. He's one of the handful of players we have who can make a real difference. There's a far bigger risk involved in getting shot of him than in keeping him on.

dondo · Jun 3, 2014

Mr Pink said:
Anytime I've seen him play is all round game has been good. Seen him involved in some lovely intricate exchanges in the build up to good moves as well.

He surely offers a hell of a lot more than a Defoe/Bent type in terms of all round game.

Pace and power scares the crap out of defenders and its something we have not had for a while.
would love any of bony, lukaluka , or benkeke

only1waddle · Jun 3, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
No, it isn't. If he's a happy bunny, we'll get Good Ade, which means one of the best strikers in the EPL and the best we've had since Klinsmann. If he's not happy, we get Bad Ade, who sulks around in best Berbatov fashion and only shows up when he feels like it. If Redknapp and Sherwood can get Good Ade, shouldn't Pochettino be able to manage the same feat? It raises questions over his man-management abilities if he can't—and signing Osvaldo, who isn't merely a prima donna but an out-and-out nutjob, shows he's not afraid of a challenge.

Sure, Ade's a loose cannon, but if he wasn't we wouldn't have him. He's one of the handful of players we have who can make a real difference. There's a far bigger risk involved in getting shot of him than in keeping him on.

It's a strange one with Ade, as you say, on song he is unplayable but do we move him on because of his ability to disrupt behind the scenes because we certainly won't get a striker as good as him as a replacement.
I can pretty much go through the whole squad and i know who i would keep or move on, can't make up my mind with Ade.

E17yid · Jun 3, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
No, it isn't. If he's a happy bunny, we'll get Good Ade, which means one of the best strikers in the EPL and the best we've had since Klinsmann. If he's not happy, we get Bad Ade, who sulks around in best Berbatov fashion and only shows up when he feels like it. If Redknapp and Sherwood can get Good Ade, shouldn't Pochettino be able to manage the same feat? It raises questions over his man-management abilities if he can't—and signing Osvaldo, who isn't merely a prima donna but an out-and-out nutjob, shows he's not afraid of a challenge.

Sure, Ade's a loose cannon, but if he wasn't we wouldn't have him. He's one of the handful of players we have who can make a real difference. There's a far bigger risk involved in getting shot of him than in keeping him on.

Sometimes I feel that getting "good Ade" comes at the detriment of the rest of the squad. I don't know, it's impossible to say unless you're privy to these things I guess.

dondo · Jun 3, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
No, it isn't. If he's a happy bunny, we'll get Good Ade, which means one of the best strikers in the EPL and the best we've had since Klinsmann. If he's not happy, we get Bad Ade, who sulks around in best Berbatov fashion and only shows up when he feels like it. If Redknapp and Sherwood can get Good Ade, shouldn't Pochettino be able to manage the same feat? It raises questions over his man-management abilities if he can't—and signing Osvaldo, who isn't merely a prima donna but an out-and-out nutjob, shows he's not afraid of a challenge.

Sure, Ade's a loose cannon, but if he wasn't we wouldn't have him. He's one of the handful of players we have who can make a real difference. There's a far bigger risk involved in getting shot of him than in keeping him on.

Bebatov was better imo the guy was amazing for us in the short time he was here

SpurSince57 · Jun 3, 2014

E17yid said:
Sometimes I feel that getting "good Ade" comes at the detriment of the rest of the squad. I don't know, it's impossible to say unless you're privy to these things I guess.

I haven't really noticed any evidence of that, even when he had that pretty awful season in 2012-13. He was a major factor in our getting fourth (and almost third) in his loan season, and we'd have been mid-table without him last season. I also get the feeling that the anti feeling is at least as much to do with his being an ex-Gooner as his propensity for being a complete arse.

LexingtonSpurs · Jun 3, 2014

I don't think its a matter of Good Ade v. Bad Ade. Ade, at his best, is somewhat of a free spirit - he works hard on the field, so its not a lack of effort, but it is more that he is going to do his own thing. And, if we are going to run a high-pressing offense, then there is less room for improvisation - the team has to work in unison, or it fails to work.

I like Ade, there were many times I thought he was giving the best effort on the pitch last season - enough to well outweigh the times he really drifted. I just don't think Ade is one to follow directions - I think he feels those instructions inhibit his ability to express himself - and he is right, but for the sake of the team, its important that everyone is on the same page. I suspect that is where he and AVB had their falling out. I don't think Pochettino will be as rigid as AVB, but he certainly won't be as loose as TS.

Having said that, I am happy to let Pochettino get a look at him up close in training before making that decision - unless he already has a striker in mind to come into the first team.

E17yid · Jun 3, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
I haven't really noticed any evidence of that, even when he had that pretty awful season in 2012-13. He was a major factor in our getting fourth (and almost third) in his loan season, and we'd have been mid-table without him last season. I also get the feeling that the anti feeling is at least as much to do with his being an ex-Gooner as his propensity for being a complete arse.

I'm sure there is a bit of that (never really bothered me).

As I say, it's hard to know. I've never met the guy, nor have I been to any training sessions or spoken with AVB, Harry, Tim and levy.

What I would say, if we are going to build some kind of winning mentality, is that we need any leaders within the team to exude characteristics that I do not associate with Ade's personality (as ill informed as that May or may not be). You said yourself, when he's happy he's good, when he's not, he's bad. That's not the kind of attitude I want at the club to be honest. I accept that's a bit wishy washy, and that in the real world, not realistic. Onions.

Wrong thread for this. Sorry A&C

Gedson100 · Jun 3, 2014

I'm getting suspicious.

Too many of our players have been quoted/reported as saying things like:
'I'm very happy at Tottenham...'
Creating widespread celebration, then saying:
'...and I've two years left on my contract.'

So, in other words:
'I know Levy's gonna try and sell me cos I've got 2 years on my contract but I'll make out I love the club and that I was forced out. Ha, Levyed!'

There'll be a few outs that we're not necessarily expecting IMO.

Chris12 · Jun 3, 2014

Was the cryptic figured out or was A&C just making us look silly?

Greenspur · Jun 3, 2014

LexingtonSpurs said:
I don't think its a matter of Good Ade v. Bad Ade. Ade, at his best, is somewhat of a free spirit - he works hard on the field, so its not a lack of effort, but it is more that he is going to do his own thing. And, if we are going to run a high-pressing offense, then there is less room for improvisation - the team has to work in unison, or it fails to work.

I like Ade, there were many times I thought he was giving the best effort on the pitch last season - enough to well outweigh the times he really drifted. I just don't think Ade is one to follow directions - I think he feels those instructions inhibit his ability to express himself - and he is right, but for the sake of the team, its important that everyone is on the same page. I suspect that is where he and AVB had their falling out. I don't think Pochettino will be as rigid as AVB, but he certainly won't be as loose as TS.

Having said that, I am happy to let Pochettino get a look at him up close in training before making that decision - unless he already has a striker in mind to come into the first team.

That's if he turns up on time for pre-season training. He's not really very good at that.

WiganSpur · Jun 3, 2014

I'm not necessarily sure that Ade wouldn't like Poch and vice versa, but he doesn't seem to be a guy that can thrive in a more disciplined pressing system. The guy wants to do his own thing, and in some ways you can understand him. I think Soldado & Kane would fare better under Pochettino. It's a shame really because he'd be like a quicker and better Rickie Lambert.

I wouldn't mind replacing Ade with Remy, Bony, Lukaku or Batshuayi and I think that would be the right move, although I won't be unhappy to see him here next season.

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