The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31st May 2014

[HappySpur]

Hasn't it been confirmed over and over again that we pay 80-90k and that will not change? The only thing that changes is that City stops paying him aswell.

I didn't realize it had been confirmed that much and apologize for not knowing this.

But this is the last year of his contract. So if Levy can make money on him, he might well do so as it doesn't look like we are interested in extending him contract currently.

Honestly, I don't like him but this could be a good year to keep him as he will be playing to impress the next club. We only paid 5m, so it may well be worth not making any money back on him for what he could do next year in his attempt to secure the next sucker club

 

[SpartanSpur]

I didn't realize it had been confirmed that much.

But this is the last year of his contract. So if Levy can make money on him, he might well do so as it doesn't look like we are interested in extending him contract currently.

Honestly, I don't like him but this could be a good year to keep him as he will be playing to impress the next club. We only paid 5m, so it may well be worth not making any money back on him for what he could do next year in his attempt to secure the next sucker club

A good point and one that also crossed my mind. As long as we don't offer him an extension we should expect a decent return from Ade if we don't sell.

Although I guess there will always will be someone in turkey or China or even the MLS who will offer him hefty wages on a free, so no guarantee

 

[dagraham]

Its far from certain, I agree.

I just think now's the time to let Ade go. I just don't think it will matter what manager we have, he'll do his thing of turning it on for some games and others he'll not be up for it. Its not a great example to set the younger players either IMO. And any sort of undermining the new manager could seriously impact on Poch's ability to create a great team spirit.

Poch forged an excellent team spirit at Southampton and its something I'd like to see here.

I could be wrong with that, but its my instinct. If we got a decent offer for him now we should be taking it.

If I had my way I'd be looking to bring in Bony and Remy. Moving on Ade and Soldado. They're both a bit risky to keep next season if we're being honest.

Don't get me wrong, Ade is a precious little flower who could easily go on a moody but he's far less of a risk than Soldado.

I'm not even sure what makes people think that Soldado will be a good fit for Poch's system tbh. Poch use Lambert mostly and of all our current strikers the one who most closely resembles him is Kane. Now I don't think Kane should be our main main next season but it's something to think about.

Ade can be moody but when he's playing he puts a shift in, is quick and can be an exceptional focal point. All of which makes him more suitable. I know he likes to drift sometimes but so does Soldado (in fact most strikers do).

Soldado really is the odd one out imo.

 

[sloth]

The Torygraph is usually pretty clued up about these things.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...or-from-Manchester-City-in-deal-worth-9m.html

It sounds as if he's already had the balance of that £170 kpw with his signing on fee and severance package. If there's no solid evidence to the contrary, shouldn't we stop worrying?

My understanding was exactly as in this article, basically we paid him a lump sum up front, but also got a reduced transfer fee to reflect this, and ade was signed on to a flat wage of around £90k. I never quite understood why many seemed to think City continued to subsidise his wages?

 

[Mr Pink]

Don't get me wrong, Ade is a precious little flower who could easily go on a moody but he's far less of a risk than Soldado.

I'm not even sure what makes people think that Soldado will be a good fit for Poch's system tbh. Poch use Lambert mostly and of all our current strikers the one who most closely resembles him is Kane. Now I don't think Kane should be our main main next season but it's something to think about.

Ade can be moody but when he's playing he puts a shift in, is quick and can be an exceptional focal point. All of which makes him more suitable. I know he likes to drift sometimes but so does Soldado (in fact most strikers do).

Soldado really is the odd one out imo.

The thing is Poch will have to adapt to we have here as well. He won't be able to replicate the exact the thing he was doing at Southampton here in a few weeks.

On the face of it Ade is the better fit, no doubt. But there are other aspects to consider. He may feel he wants his own front man in who he's more comfortable with for the long term.

Personally I think we should be going all out for Bony - if we can move on one of the other two.

 

[JonnySpurs]

The thing is Poch will have to adapt to we have here as well. He won't be able to replicate the exact the thing he was doing at Southampton here in a few weeks.

On the face of it Ade is the better fit, no doubt. But there are other aspects to consider. He may feel he wants his own front man in who he's more comfortable with for the long term.

Personally I think we should be going all out for Bony - if we can move on one of the other two.

Agreed, if Poch was in agreement then I'd be going all out to get Bony if I were Levy.

To me it's conceivable that both Ade and Soldado could go in the summer. Altho I actually think there's more chance that Ade stays than Soldado.

 

[NorthernMonkey]

The thing is Poch will have to adapt to we have here as well. He won't be able to replicate the exact the thing he was doing at Southampton here in a few weeks.

On the face of it Ade is the better fit, no doubt. But there are other aspects to consider. He may feel he wants his own front man in who he's more comfortable with for the long term.

Personally I think we should be going all out for Bony - if we can move on one of the other two.

Exactly this. Poch has a system he likes to play, but surely has to have the ability to adapt it to the personel he has at his disposal.
My Onion would be to get rid of Ade. Completely unpredictable as to what we'll get out of him this season. As a replacement, I'd love someone with pace and power. Bony fits that mould, but you have to accept that he'll be disappearing off to the ACN every other season, including the upcoming one.

 

[yankspurs]

Exactly this. Poch has a system he likes to play, but surely has to have the ability to adapt it to the personel he has at his disposal.
My Onion would be to get rid of Ade. Completely unpredictable as to what we'll get out of him this season. As a replacement, I'd love someone with pace and power. Bony fits that mould, but you have to accept that he'll be disappearing off to the ACN every other season, including the upcoming one.

Nailed it.

Ade is too much of a risk. Best to sell him now while his value is probably on the high end

 

[felmani26]

Removing Adebayor off the payroll permenantly will be a lot easier said than done.

Great player on his day but I don't feel he would be conducive to what Pochettino is looking to install at this club.

 

[Mr Pink]

Removing Adebayor off the payroll permenantly will be a lot easier said than done.

Great player on his day but I don't feel he would be conducive to what Pochettino is looking to install at this club.

Its certainly something Pochettino will have to think carefully about and ultimately arrive at the right decision. Only he knows who he'd fancy to play the way he's going to be attempting for us.

At this point in time, keeping Ade and Soldado is a risky situation, albeit for different reasons. But I would be wary if we didn't look to change at least one of our forward options.

 

[felmani26]

Removing Adebayor off the payroll permenantly will be a lot easier said than done.

Great player on his day but I don't feel he would be conducive to what Pochettino is looking to install at this club.

I should hasten to add that the same sentiments would be applied to Balotelli - if not more so!

 

[dagraham]

The thing is Poch will have to adapt to we have here as well. He won't be able to replicate the exact the thing he was doing at Southampton here in a few weeks.

On the face of it Ade is the better fit, no doubt. But there are other aspects to consider. He may feel he wants his own front man in who he's more comfortable with for the long term.

Personally I think we should be going all out for Bony - if we can move on one of the other two.

Yeah, I'd love us to sign Bony. Also £8m for Remy is an absolute bargain imo, particularly as he can play with with either Ade or Bony or up front on his own. If we can convince him to join we should be all over it.

 

[felmani26]

Its certainly something Pochettino will have to think carefully about and ultimately arrive at the right decision. Only he knows who he'd fancy to play the way he's going to be attempting for us.

At this point in time, keeping Ade and Soldado is a risky situation, albeit for different reasons. But I would be wary if we didn't look to change at least one of our forward options.

Think a lot depends if Atletico firm up their admiration in Soldado or not which I think could be a distinct possibility.

We'll take a hit on the 26million but I reckon anything circa £18million (or preferably above) and we are dealing which pains me to say it but it might be the best solution for all parties.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah, I'd love us to sign Bony. Also £8m for Remy is an absolute bargain imo, particularly as he can play with with either Ade or Bony or up front on his own. If we can convince him to join we should be all over it.

Bony and Remy would be my picks in an ideal world!

Capoue Paulinho ; Lamela, Erisken, Remy ; Bony

Some serious goal threat in that side iol

 

[samspurs92]

I think Bony is good but I'm not sure why everyone wants us to buy him, he does not suit the way we play. Bony's biggest flaw is his build up play and his touch, which we have found out via recent players are two major abilities our strikers should possess. If you add Bony with our midfield it puts too much pressure on Eriksen to be the creative influence in my opinion.

I know it sounds silly but old fashioned goalscorers like Defoe, Bent, Bony etc. just don't fit in to our system which relies on the striker to be able to link up and bring others in to play. Our system relies on a striker like Adebayor on top form, who does a bit of everything very well.

In my opinion the striker is the one position that is specialist and I think we have to splash out on the one that fits otherwise it undermines our whole game.

 

[HotspurResi]

We can't have flexible squad players now?

Does every single player in the entire squad have to be 'top 4 quality'?

Agree with this!! Some of us have to remember that we are not Real Madrid or Man City we dont have such money in order to buy who we want when we want! Use Athletico Madrid as an example, are all their players top 4 quality?

 

[lemony snickets]

Agree with this!! Some of us have to remember that we are not Real Madrid or Man City we dont have such money in order to buy who we want when we want! Use Athletico Madrid as an example, are all their players top 4 quality?

I would suggest they are, having narrowly missed out on winning the champions league & beating Real & Barcelona to win their league title

 

[Mr Pink]

I think Bony is good but I'm not sure why everyone wants us to buy him, he does not suit the way we play. Bony's biggest flaw is his build up play and his touch, which we have found out via recent players are two major abilities our strikers should possess. If you add Bony with midfield it puts too much pressure on Eriksen to be the creative influence in my opinion.

I know it sounds silly but old fashioned goalscorers like Defoe, Bent, Bony etc. just don't fit in to our system which relies on the striker to be able to link up and bring others in to play. Our system relies on a striker like Adebayor on top form, who does a bit of everything very well.

Anytime I've seen him play is all round game has been good. Seen him involved in some lovely intricate exchanges in the build up to good moves as well.

He surely offers a hell of a lot more than a Defoe/Bent type in terms of all round game.

 

[samspurs92]

Anytime I've seen him play is all round game has been good. Seen him involved in some lovely intricate exchanges in the build up to good moves as well.

He surely offers a hell of a lot more than a Defoe/Bent type in terms of all round game.

Hmmm every time I've seen him, he seems quite clumsy and in any lovely intricate exchange he is involved in, it seems like it's a bit of a surprise that he's kept it flowing, a bit flukey.

Each to their own though. I just think he's one of those players we always seem to get worked up on signing after they have only had one good season in the league. I think we'd be jumping the gun on him.

 

[GobbyJJ]

Come on guys, its really easy, the central character of Citizen Kane is called Charles Foster Kane....

So clearly the answer to the cryptic is that Mr Levy is having KFC for dinner.

Ben Foster?