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Romulus

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Ceballos training with the first team..... completely forgot about him but he has always impressed me whenever ive seen him
 

IGSpur

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Ceballos training with the first team..... completely forgot about him but he has always impressed me whenever ive seen him

Still have hope for him. Him and Pritchard bagged in our good u21 season. Probably more direct than AP but still very good. Ceballos, Carroll, Pritchard, Bentaleb, Veljkovic and Kane were the one's that I though could make it with us if given chances. He played one game for Arouca last season where he got the assist and goal which shows that he could make it at first team level.
 

EQP

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Still have hope for him. Him and Pritchard bagged in our good u21 season. Probably more direct than AP but still very good. Ceballos, Carroll, Pritchard, Bentaleb, Veljkovic and Kane were the one's that I though could make it with us if given chances. He played one game for Arouca last season where he got the assist and goal which shows that he could make it at first team level.

I actually envisioned an all spanish speaking quartet of

---------- Soldado ------------
--Falque --- Ceballos --- Lamela--
With all the 3 attacking mids being left footed i could see them interchanging with ease.
 

IGSpur

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I actually envisioned an all spanish speaking quartet of

---------- Soldado ------------
--Falque --- Ceballos --- Lamela--
With all the 3 attacking mids being left footed i could see them interchanging with ease.

I know you said they'd interchange but I def see Ceballos as more of a winger. Would swap him and Lamela. Never really seen him or Falque play in behind but know they can play both wings. Wouldn't surprise me if they could though.



He is one of our really strange cases. When he joined he was banging in goals for our NextGen which would have made him 17 at the time. Looked really good, then just went on loans and never played with our good u21s side. I thought he was decent but never really had the chance to properly get a look at him. I think the fact that he is still around and went on loan abroad says that the coaches do think he is ready for a form of first team football rather than just playing with the youths
 

Spursidol

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That is, as you know, nonsense. In his and his dad's own words at the time, he was being encouraged to vary his game.

His crosses in that Tbilisi game both came from that right side I believe, were a perfect example of variation possible. If he'd continued that variation and shown better composure we would have all been happy. But he didn't. He continually tried the ridiculous, made poor/wrong choices repeatedly. He had a very good run, but was constantly unproductive.


I could defend his selection ahead I'd Lennon, who'd had several years of un productivity but that doesn't mean Townsend was the long term solution. He isn't.

There is probably no one more pro chance for the kids than me, but that doesn't mean disconnecting your brain. Townsend has had more chance than most will get and clearly doesn't use his head enough.

The important bit which os not addressed in your post is that all coaches tell the players how to play - that's their job

So if Townsend was shooting a lot and not passing/crossing over the course of a dozen or twenty games do you honestely believe the coach didn't see that (whgen everyone on SC did) and not instruct him not to ? The only logical explanation is that the coach wanted him to. Then as @beatr1 has done looked at AVB coaching previous teams....and guess what, the RW was cruticized by fans for doing similar to Townsend

Case closed. the smoking gun is in AVB's hand
 

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I know you said they'd interchange but I def see Ceballos as more of a winger. Would swap him and Lamela. Never really seen him or Falque play in behind but know they can play both wings. Wouldn't surprise me if they could though.



He is one of our really strange cases. When he joined he was banging in goals for our NextGen which would have made him 17 at the time. Looked really good, then just went on loans and never played with our good u21s side. I thought he was decent but never really had the chance to properly get a look at him. I think the fact that he is still around and went on loan abroad says that the coaches do think he is ready for a form of first team football rather than just playing with the youths

I thought it was visa related hence Belgium loan move to get a visa, but his from Croatia so that does not make sense.
 

mpickard2087

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Ceballos training with the first team..... completely forgot about him but he has always impressed me whenever ive seen him

Yeah I would like to see him get a chance. I was also impressed whenever I saw he played for the U21's. Had stuff to work on such as his work off the ball but he offered a good mix between the technical, playmaker stuff and being more direct and would also get himself in the box and was a good finisher. Even seen him score a couple of good headers which you wouldn't expect by looking at him.

Could be a possibility in the wide forward 'Jay Rodriguez role'. Should be given a shot at it in pre-season.
 

Bus-Conductor

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The important bit which os not addressed in your post is that all coaches tell the players how to play - that's their job

So if Townsend was shooting a lot and not passing/crossing over the course of a dozen or twenty games do you honestely believe the coach didn't see that (whgen everyone on SC did) and not instruct him not to ? The only logical explanation is that the coach wanted him to. Then as @beatr1 has done looked at AVB coaching previous teams....and guess what, the RW was cruticized by fans for doing similar to Townsend

Case closed. the smoking gun is in AVB's hand

So when he crossed for those two goals against Tbilisi he was going against the coaching ? AVB must have been furious, with him creating goals and wotnot.

Porto fans must have been incandescent with rage at Hulk's 23 goals in 26 games. All that winning the league and UEFA cup must have had them truly vexed.

Conviction thrown out on appeal.
 

Spursidol

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So when he crossed for those two goals against Tbilisi he was going against the coaching ? AVB must have been furious, with him creating goals and wotnot.

Porto fans must have been incandescent with rage at Hulk's 23 goals in 26 games. All that winning the league and UEFA cup must have had them truly vexed.

Conviction thrown out on appeal.

So your argument is that the coach didn't tell the players how to play ?

Don't tell Daniel or he'll save money by not hiring another coach !
 

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So your argument is that the coach didn't tell the players how to play ?

Don't tell Daniel or he'll save money by not hiring another coach !

Stop being silly.

Both Andros and Troy Townsend said AVB had worked on him varying his game to be less predictable. Yet you choose to ignore it ? AVB has also repeatedly talked about how his coaching is designed to help players make decisions for themselves. No manager tells a player not to lift their head up and make the best choice.
 

Spursidol

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Stop being silly.

Both Andros and Troy Townsend said AVB had worked on him varying his game to be less predictable. Yet you choose to ignore it ? AVB has also repeatedly talked about how his coaching is designed to help players make decisions for themselves. No manager tells a player not to lift their head up and make the best choice.

Ok so you agree that Townsend was being coached by AVB. So it follows that Townsend was doing as he was told. Good

With luck Poch can 'unlearn' Townsend from thise habits
 

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Ok so you agree that Townsend was being coached by AVB. So it follows that Townsend was doing as he was told. Good

With luck Poch can 'unlearn' Townsend from thise habits

Not unless he's a brain Surgeon, or Steve Martin in the Man With Two Brains.
 

Spursidol

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http://www.sl10.ng/news/articles/ca...race-for-standard-liege-s-imoh-ezekiel/168430

Spurs being linked with another youngster - this time a 20 year old Nigerian striker with one full cap at Standard Liege (who Spurs have good relations with - rember Zeki Fryers).

Too many links to youngsters suggests that Spurs are reviving the strategy to buy in a few decent youngsters, and even if this one does not join, there will be others linked
 

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Agree spurs idol we seemed to move away from the plan in recent years of developing and finding young talent, but our accademy has started producing players. The big question is can poch integrate youth players ? It's a shame before jol we had low expectations but a poor accademy so integration would have been easier due to fans giving young players more of a chance and we had a far less talented and smaller squad I am sure a lot would have got games.
 

Romulus

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someone raised a good point in the other thread.... where the hell are pritchard, veljkovic etc in the pics? maybe they are just doing the initial training with the development squad but i would have thought pritchard at least would be up with the first team
 

jondesouza

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Not unless he's a brain Surgeon, or Steve Martin in the Man With Two Brains.

I think there's truth in what you both say. It's clear that Townsend's cutting in was a tactic from AVB but at the same time BC is right that Townsend overused it and didn't make the right decisions often enough. Townsend is just approaching 23 though. I think it's ridiculous if people suggest we cast him out for one up and down season.
 

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I think there's truth in what you both say. It's clear that Townsend's cutting in was a tactic from AVB but at the same time BC is right that Townsend overused it and didn't make the right decisions often enough. Townsend is just approaching 23 though. I think it's ridiculous if people suggest we cast him out for one up and down season.
A few of our players Townsend, rose, capoue, started well but didn't re gain there form after an injury, agree with what you said about Townsend.
 

Spursidol

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someone raised a good point in the other thread.... where the hell are pritchard, veljkovic etc in the pics? maybe they are just doing the initial training with the development squad but i would have thought pritchard at least would be up with the first team

Agree with all that.

The painful truth is that we have over 30 players who count as over 21 players in 2014-15 - and even without those at the World CUp, we still have about 25 players. Maybe Poch is initially looking at only the over 21's ? Both Pritchard and Veljkovic wil be u 21's in the coming season and maybe Poch thinks he's just got too many players to look at already.

The only other explanation is that for some reason (minor injuries etc) they may not have started training yet.

But its not looking good for the youth if Poch is not involving them at this early stage - he does not need to make a decision on selling the youngsters its the over 21's who need that kind of decision making at thios early stage of pre-season training, but for all the over 21's and u21's its a question at to how they play and where they can play that Poch needs to assess so excluding the u21's is VERY bad news if that is happening .
 
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