The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - LETS TRY AGAIN - 6th August 2014

TheGreenLily · Aug 6, 2014

Shanks said:
Try thinking about it from a more holistic view, ie the players side.

Rather than looking inwards from outside as us fans always would, looking at the club, you need to remember these players it's their livelyhoods at stake here.

I know they are on ridiculous money, so the problems you and I would face don't really compare, but players rely on contracts and a certain salary.

Put that to run of the mill Joe - or me for example. I'm doing reasonably well in my particular industry, I work for a decent paying company, the company perform well, and I am getting some industry recognition - nothing spectacular, but moving onwards and upwards in the world.

I hear that the new boss doesn't like me that much, or feels that I'm not right for the business vision.

What do I do, just jump ship to a shit company on less money, even shorter contract, or fight it out, believe in myself to show the new boss that I am right, I'm happy with my current package, I like where I live, my wife and kids are settled in the area and the school's great...

Now apply that to the footballers - who all have the same problems (just on a very, very different scale).

(I appreciate not everyone will like or even agree, but I'm not here for ratings, I post my opinions on matters that are being discussed).

I understand what you are saying, but you know, they are earn far to much money, far to much.

And there is whole lot of difference between you taking a poor job, and pro footballer taking a poorer job and still earning £50,000 a week.

I am sorry, but they are on a whole different planet and it is certainly not planet real world. Their careers are more or less over by the time they are 35, but they have millions in the bank to do what ever they want, live where ever they want, send their children to best school...

Not like the rest of working population that have to work, some times beyond retirement age earning minimum wage to put food on the table... or some cases... to scared to work, because they are so poor they could lose everything they have if it doesn't work out, especially if they have learning difficulties.

So yeah, I completely disagree with you. If the club has accepted offers, they should get the best deal they can and move on, especially if it means they will get a game

dondo · Aug 6, 2014

Barry Mead said:
In some ways it's very positive news, I imagine quite a number of players would have been thinking of moving after suffering with AVB and Sherwood, but now it looks like players are enjoying things under Poch and feel that the team could do well and so want to stick around

More likely they would have to take a pay cut and move to hull

S17PUR · Aug 6, 2014

Do we actually know that these other interested clubs are offering the players lower salaries than they're on at Spurs? I can't imagine that Dawson, for example, is amongst the top earners at Spurs, despite his length of service.

Would his weekly wage be much more than Huddlestone's? I wouldn't have thought there'd be a huge gap.

robertgoulet · Aug 6, 2014

You don't make it to this level of competition if you're not a competitive person. I'd be willing to bet that some of these guys may say "I don't want to move. It's fine, I'll just keep cashing my checks and not play" right now, but a couple months into the season they'll be itching to play and wish they'd have taken their transfer opportunity when they could.

Greenspur · Aug 6, 2014

Archibald&Crooks said:
The Goat isn't always me you know.

I know. But you are usually the Goat's conduit, are you not? (and I don't mean that any sexual connotations should be attached to the word "conduit", just because A&C is involved).

coyspurs18 · Aug 6, 2014

Greenspur said:
I know. But you are usually the Goat's conduit, are you not? (and I don't mean that any sexual connotations should be attached to the word "conduit", just because A&C is involved).

I thought verified ITK had access to post directly as Goat as well.

newbie · Aug 6, 2014

They will also get a signing on bonus when they leave and properly get paid out there loyalty bonuses from spurs as well. Also for Dawson he could get a 4 year contract.

Greenspur · Aug 6, 2014

I wonder does anyone on this forum earn 10k per week. Or 20k, or 80k? Or even 80k per year?

It's hard to shed a tear for these guys, if they have to step down a small bit.

dondo · Aug 6, 2014

Greenspur said:
I wonder does anyone on this forum earn 10k per week. Or 20k, or 80k? Or even 80k per year?

It's hard to shed a tear for these guys, if they have to step down a small bit.

It's not just about the money though. These players might not want to move to another part of the country/different country away from friends, family ,move their kids to a different school ect

kr1978 · Aug 6, 2014

TheGreenLily said:
I understand what you are saying, but you know, they are earn far to much money, far to much.

And there is whole lot of difference between you taking a poor job, and pro footballer taking a poorer job and still earning £50,000 a week.

I am sorry, but they are on a whole different planet and it is certainly not planet real world. Their careers are more or less over by the time they are 35, but they have millions in the bank to do what ever they want, live where ever they want, send their children to best school...

Not like the rest of working population that have to work, some times beyond retirement age earning minimum wage to put food on the table... or some cases... to scared to work, because they are so poor they could lose everything they have if it doesn't work out, especially if they have learning difficulties.

So yeah, I completely disagree with you. If the club has accepted offers, they should get the best deal they can and move on, especially if it means they will get a game

Totally understand what you're saying but I disagree. If we have seen fit to offer them a contract of X amount per week over X years then why should that contract be ignored just because it doesn't suit the club anymore. The amount they are earning is irrelevant IMO, they signed a legal agreement and are under no obligation to walk away from that just because we don't want them anymore.

FWIW, I think it could be a lot more than wages that would mean players not wanting to leave, none of the players mentioned as possible departures are going to be signing for clubs bigger than us so that would be another negative, that plus not wanting to leave London, uproot family etc etc. There are loads of reasons for not wanting to be sold.

sammyj · Aug 6, 2014

I dont suppose huddlestone or livermore wanted to leave but they did and so will Dawson or who ever , just takes time .

Barry Mead · Aug 6, 2014

Greenspur said:
I wonder does anyone on this forum earn 10k per week. Or 20k, or 80k? Or even 80k per year?

It's hard to shed a tear for these guys, if they have to step down a small bit.

It doesn't matter if they have a contract for 10k a week or 50k a week they won't go somewhere else for less if they have a contract and you can't blame them for that. Would anyone accept 10 k a week if you could still earn 20k a week? I certainly wouldn't

easley91 · Aug 6, 2014

These players may have their families settled, i.e. kids in schools and may not want to move. It's fine for a player who's young and single. But, not for someone who'd be as settled as Daws is. He'd have to speak to the missus, make sure kid(s) is/are happy.

Just one more thing on the money, yes as these guys are Prem players they earn a lot but it isn't the same in the lower leagues. It's only in the top league where you'll get that amount. Even then most our players probably aren't getting as much as say Liverpool players.

Shanks · Aug 6, 2014

Sandros Shiny Head said:
This makes sense but at the end of the day they're just playing football

Yep, and at the end of the day, I've just finished my job.

I go home, play with the kids, put them to bed, try it on with the wife.... Just in a much smaller house, with a shitter car, and probably a less hotter wife...(well I think the trouble is hot personally)!!!

dwayne-mooney · Aug 6, 2014

TheGreenLily said:
I understand what you are saying, but you know, they are earn far to much money, far to much.

And there is whole lot of difference between you taking a poor job, and pro footballer taking a poorer job and still earning £50,000 a week.

I am sorry, but they are on a whole different planet and it is certainly not planet real world. Their careers are more or less over by the time they are 35, but they have millions in the bank to do what ever they want, live where ever they want, send their children to best school...

Not like the rest of working population that have to work, some times beyond retirement age earning minimum wage to put food on the table... or some cases... to scared to work, because they are so poor they could lose everything they have if it doesn't work out, especially if they have learning difficulties.

So yeah, I completely disagree with you. If the club has accepted offers, they should get the best deal they can and move on, especially if it means they will get a game

I struggle to have any sympathy for someone who is 'too scared to work', discounting physical and mental illness. Id happily shoot them in the face actually.

I turned down a better job, on more than double the money, with a better car etc as I didn't like the company, the department, the people or the area they were based. Its my life, I will work and live where I chose. Money is irrelevant, to a point.

I understand if anyone else makes a decision which effects their life and family too.

That being said, I hope the players we don't want bugger off.

Shanks · Aug 6, 2014

Greenspur said:
I wonder does anyone on this forum earn 10k per week. Or 20k, or 80k? Or even 80k per year?

It's hard to shed a tear for these guys, if they have to step down a small bit.

I earn a higher than ever age wage, I won't move for less money at all!

The only time I would, is if I needed to ( redundancy etc etc).

robertgoulet · Aug 6, 2014

easley91 said:
These players may have their families settled, i.e. kids in schools and may not want to move. It's fine for a player who's young and single. But, not for someone who'd be as settled as Daws is. He'd have to speak to the missus, make sure kid(s) is/are happy.

Just one more thing on the money, yes as these guys are Prem players they earn a lot but it isn't the same in the lower leagues. It's only in the top league where you'll get that amount. Even then most our players probably aren't getting as much as say Liverpool players.

Need to count themselves lucky they're not in any of the leagues in the States. Unless you have a no-trade or no-movement clause negotiated in to your contract, the team can send you anywhere they well please.

jedimonkey · Aug 6, 2014

It will also come down to the players thinking they can play for bigger and better teams.

That's where the buying team needs to do some convincing. Thudd probably never wanted to go to Hull originally, but I bet Bruce sold his vision to him and made him want to go there.

Daws is probably thinking he could do better than Hull, maybe Everton or Newcastle (I mean in terms of club size with them obvs) but they will probably not be an option. That's when the smaller clubs need to work their magic and convince our unwanted players to join them.

Flynn · Aug 6, 2014

I'd want even more money to live up north.

prawnsandwich · Aug 6, 2014

These guys earn huge amounts. But they are human beings. Who wants to live in Hull?
Do you want your missus in your earole when you get home from work every day?

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