Christian Ceballos

bat-chain · Jul 24, 2014

He struggled today sadly.

He looked a bit desperate to do something special and it cost him, he needs to just keep it simple and his talent will come through automatically.

Doesn't make him a bad player at all but a missed opportunity to impress.

Could have been the midfield didn't give him a platform because Carroll and Holtby struggled to control the game like Capoue and mason did in the first half so hopefully MP won't judge him too harshly.

Strikeb4ck · Jul 24, 2014

bat-chain said:
He struggled today sadly.

He looked a bit desperate to do something special and it cost him, he needs to just keep it simple and his talent will come through automatically.

Doesn't make him a bad player at all but a missed opportunity to impress.

Could have been the midfield didn't give him a platform because Carroll and Holtby struggled to control the game like Capoue and mason did in the first half so hopefully MP won't judge him too harshly.

It also seemed like initially it was Holtby playing farther up and Ceballos sitting.

Dannyspur · Jul 24, 2014

Stavrogin said:
I know you're trying to be reasonable in the face of idiocy but you can't say that Lennon wasn't top drawer for a time. He categorically was top drawer, for two distinct periods. These may have become a minority of this overall career at Tottenham but it doesn't change how good he was.

Don't you remember when he first came? He was supposed to be behind Routledge but he utterly eclipsed him, became an important player and made the England squad where he played very well in a world cup.

Then there was the season we finished fourth (the period after we signed Bentley really). Given how good Bale and Modric became, people have forgotten that Lennon was the key man for the first half of the season. His crossing may never have been especially great but it didn't matter because he was still productive. He may not have got direct assists but so many of our goals and good play was a result of him doing something fantastic. He was brilliant - people were salivating about having Bale and him on the flanks. In his first games back after injury Redknapp was bellowing at people just to give the ball to Lennon so he could make something happen. That's rare.

Obviously he never recaptured that form after that injury but again, it doesn't change how good he was. Don't you remember when the press were hyping up the Walcott/Evra show-down and in the end Evra had him in his pocket? Remember what happened when he played Lennon soon after (or before)? Lennon literally left him on his backside. I remember thinking that, at that time, there was barely anyone in the world that would have been as effective as he was. I suppose you can blame the world or you can call him top drawer...

Good point about the lack of fan loyalty as well.

The key word here is 'WAS'

Kendall · Jul 24, 2014

Falque was never our youth player either.

eddiebailey said:
There have been as many successes as failures: Kane at Millwall, Caulker at Yeovil, Bristol and Swansea, etc; and where loans do not work out it is often due to injury (Kane at Norwich, Mason everywhere) or change of manager (Luongo at Ipswich, Smith at Derby).

Surely Townsend at QPR and Walker at QPR and Villa too.

Mullers · Jul 24, 2014

beats1 said:
Kleberson won the world cup

Kleberson played very well in the world cup to be fair.

thinktank · Jul 24, 2014

Tried too hard and that always causes problems in situations like this.

Great little player, just needs to relax if put on with the 'b' team again and not think he has to be the one to shine from them, but rather help them win the half.

Sevens · Jul 24, 2014

idontgetit said:
And Cleverley played in a title winning side. Great logic though

This thread isn't about Lennon so I won't post anymore about him on this thread after this one. But your logic above is flawed. It is true that an above average player can be in a successful team in the short term and win things. Cleverley is a decent little player. Not amazing, but not bad either. He isn't a very fashionable player (most English players aren't) so therefore is undervalued by fans, especially non Man Utd fans. But there is a fundamental difference between Cleverley and Lennon. Lennon has been a first team regular in a Spurs side for almost a decade. A Spurs side that is regularly (that is the key word both in terms of club performance and Lennon featuring in the side) top six. Yes average players may last a season or two in a successful side. But to be a regular, especially when so many players have come and gone, like Lennon has shows that he isn't as poor as many are making out. Lennon is a good little winger who, when featured in a 4-4-2, can be very effective. Is he limited? Yes. Is he good enough to be a first teamer in a side that will finish between 4th to 7th? Yes.

Spurs Lodge Kittens · Jul 24, 2014

Lennon was good today. Better than Ceballos which makes my comment earlier in this thread seem a bit premature.

It was also Ceballos who gave the ball away for their first goal. He still showed signs though, but yep as others said - perhaps he was trying too hard to build on the Seattle game. Also, he was left with the slightly less talented XI. Capoue and Mason were very solid and composed first half which provided a platform for Lamela, Eriksen and Lennon

The Spurs Lad · Jul 24, 2014

I don't think it was as much Ceballos fault as the system. Can anybody actually be clear about who was playing where in the second half? It was a mess and personally I am refusing to judge any of the players that much in that second half, it was really a case of just giving everyone a game.

wosH · Jul 24, 2014

With Ceballos starting off the left, with Lamela in the center and Eriksen out right like yesterday, our AMs could actually be lined up and described as:

Christian - Erik - Sen

Just saying.....

FinnYid · Jul 24, 2014

Eric_s said:
Realistic? You even got your stats about his loan wrong. You repetitive shit sprouting is irritating.

Oh, and show me the correct ones if you think what I proved were wrong. Or are you just sprouting shit?

Kendall · Jul 25, 2014

Is the term not "spouting shit"?

Sprouting shit would be something entirely different.

FinnYid · Jul 25, 2014

Kendall said:
Is the term not "spouting shit"?

Sprouting shit would be something entirely different.

Thought the same, but as non-native speaker went with what was on quote

CJMurray · Aug 28, 2014

It actually pains me that we persist with the likes of Lennon whilst this guy is playing for the u21's.

TheGreenLily · Aug 28, 2014

I want him to play and I want him to play more.

I like this fella, I like this fella a lot.

Sweech · Aug 28, 2014

CJMurray said:
It actually pains me that we persist with the likes of Lennon whilst this guy is playing for the u21's.

Ceballos suffers in the same way Townsend does in that he can be a bit of a ball hog and look to only craft chances for himself, while we also saw in pre-season that he can make some pretty poor pass decisions on the pitch.

Overall Lennon is a good team player and a good coach's player as well. No surprise to me why he gets selected over Ceballos and Townsend.

JerryGarcia · Aug 28, 2014

He's not been involved since pre season has he? I don't know if he's training with the first team but if not then I'd imagine he'll be sold, which would be a shame.

CJMurray · Aug 28, 2014

Sweech said:
Ceballos suffers in the same way Townsend does is that he can be a bit of a ball hog and look to only craft chances for himself, while we also saw in pre-season that he can make some pretty poor pass decisions on the pitch.

Overall Lennon is a good team player and a good coach's player as well. No surprise to me why he gets selected over Ceballos and Townsend.

Granted, Lennon's a team player, but he just doesn't have anywhere near enough end product. 1 goal and 3 assists in 28 games last season. That is tragic. If Ceballos had played 28 games for us last season i'd confidently bet that he'd have at least double that. Plus, Ceballos can play all across the three behind the striker.

Sweech · Aug 28, 2014

JerryGarcia said:
He's not been involved since pre season has he? I don't know if he's training with the first team but if not then I'd imagine he'll be sold, which would be a shame.

Not sure if he's been with the first team. I've seen Fredericks (who has just been loaned) and Veljkovic training with the first team in the training photos.

CJMurray said:
Granted, Lennon's a team player, but he just doesn't have anywhere near enough end product. 1 goal and 3 assists in 28 games last season. That is tragic. If Ceballos had played 28 games for us last season i'd confidently bet that he'd have at least double that. Plus, Ceballos can play all across the three behind the striker.

I'm not totally sure of that. I think in theory we would all say Townsend would have double what Lennon has, yet in practice we found that to indeed be false.

Bottom line for me is Lennon's defensive work and team play beat out the small extra output production-wise Ceballos may have over Lennon.

RickyVilla · Aug 28, 2014

CJMurray said:
It actually pains me that we persist with the likes of Lennon whilst this guy is playing for the u21's.

Lovely the way he takes a touch then knocks it in. Great ball control. A bit like Chadli last Sunday.

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