Poch can only build so much. we won't get anyone of quality in Jan when was the last time we did that Holtby came in and hasn't played a full season in 2.5 years. if we can't make money on a player we won't sign him and it is hard to get cheap players in Jan. if its in Jan it will be Jay Rod and yes he can score but if he does really will i would think Levy will sell him for a cheaper player so he can make some money. so a good half season from him won't help us in the long run we need a consistent player that doesn't stand out to much if we want him to stay for more then 1-2 seasons
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hope for 5th get 7th try to win a cup to get europe??
if he can't except anyone but his boys from soton then we are fucked he is just as stub urn as AVB and we won't even get top 7 that way
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I'd like to do a Hull and get to a Cup final personally. In fact irrespective of transfer policy we have won as much as both of them over the period of time you quote, so perhaps our transfer system or talent that we have brought in (comparable to income) is not that much different. I mean would either of those have spent one hundred million any better than what we did?
Gaz_Gammon
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But we are, ..........unless 6th=5th or 4th?
Math was never my strong point at School but thank God i wasn't the only one.
Matthew Wyatt
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I'm sorry but I don't understand your comment, and I want to. Could you perhaps rephrase it? Thanks.
spurslenny
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Dropping 1 spot is hardly slipping down the league.
Man Utd going from 1st to 7th is slipping down the league.
DaSpurs
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That isn't us "slipping," it's returning to our position after "punching above our weight," and now that the game is global with more cash income spread across the league the differences in budgets have only become exponentially higher as a result.
HappySpur
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Quickest way to become a millionaire? Be a billionaire and buy a football club. Despite owning one of the most high profile clubs in the world, these ENIC boys haven't lost any of their fortunes, are building a stadium and took a team that was happy with top 10 and taken them to the UCL twice, and are consistent top 5/6
Fucking problems is that there are issues with their ownership. But we are so black and white that we can't discuss it honest terms. Those of us who appreciate them but know their issues have to fight a losing struggle against hyperbole and reactionism. And then we decide, screw em.....let these people wallow in their own blindedness. It's not like they have an ounce of balls to force ENIC out.
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DaSpurs
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With enough attention and effort, any organization in a democratic society can be removed.
I for one, rather like ENIC. No, they won't spend our way into title contenders, but they'll also never let us slip away from the top of the world's most lucrative and popular league.
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Those slating Porch for being stubborn are way off the mark.
Yes, he wanted MS but was willing to take Stambouli.
He wanted MM but took Fazio.
He wanted JRod but was going to settle for Welbeck until Arsenal showed up and paid 16 mil, which is a bit steep for him and we rightfully were reluctant to pay that much.
He took plan B guys and it has been said he is happy with the current squad.
Stubborn would have been MM and MS or nobody else.
Yes, he wanted MS but was willing to take Stambouli.
He wanted MM but took Fazio.
He wanted JRod but was going to settle for Welbeck until Arsenal showed up and paid 16 mil, which is a bit steep for him and we rightfully were reluctant to pay that much.
He took plan B guys and it has been said he is happy with the current squad.
Stubborn would have been MM and MS or nobody else.
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What are people really complaining about? That we haven't got a sugar daddy or we aren't willing to pay more than we can afford for players?
Personally, given our resources, I think we are one of the best run clubs in the premiership. Maybe Swansea, Everton and Burnley are ahead of us in that respect but before we think the grass is greener consider the likes of Newcastle, West Ham, Villa, Palace and Sunderland.
Personally, given our resources, I think we are one of the best run clubs in the premiership. Maybe Swansea, Everton and Burnley are ahead of us in that respect but before we think the grass is greener consider the likes of Newcastle, West Ham, Villa, Palace and Sunderland.
But those clubs have shown ambition and have been willing to invest. We havent.
Not saying id rather be them, just saying that they are trying. We arent. Levy talks a big game but never comes through on it.
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Well look at that we now have a new record holder for blaming the new manager on a transfer window.
3 matches in and the problems
are bc of Poch. Just a coincidence the same problems plagued the last 3 managers too.
If only there was a constant in all of these disappointing transfer windows, hmm I guess we'll never know. Oh well, POCH OUT
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We got an extra 30mil in tv money and mid table sides are throwing crash around like crazy (and no, they don't do a Leeds).
That's fine but anyone who is defending that I'd hope has very little expectations for finishing above 6th this year.
If we spent like a mid table side we might have a decent chance at that.
I can stomach the "transition" but everyone defending our (lack of) spending better get 100% behind the manager because if we come up short it isn't because of him.
That's fine but anyone who is defending that I'd hope has very little expectations for finishing above 6th this year.
If we spent like a mid table side we might have a decent chance at that.
I can stomach the "transition" but everyone defending our (lack of) spending better get 100% behind the manager because if we come up short it isn't because of him.
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Last season -
i) Our defense was shambles.
ii) There was no purpose in attack
iii) Our goals came from nowhere. Attacking Midfielders Lennon, Townsend, Gylfi, Lamela,Chadli did not deliver scoring not even 10 goals together. Paulinho & Eriksen contributed from midfield & Ade scored handful towards back end of season.
Now -
i) Entire defense is revamped. Now we pray & hope that the new defensive signings click.
ii) Regardless of the Liverpool result, we do play with a purpose, a certain style
iii) Adebayor may be frustrating at times, but he is still scoring. Lamela & Eriksen were bad against Liverpool but as a combination they at least seems to deliver better play than last season. Unlike last season, you get the feeling that we will be scoring against most teams.
i) Our defense was shambles.
ii) There was no purpose in attack
iii) Our goals came from nowhere. Attacking Midfielders Lennon, Townsend, Gylfi, Lamela,Chadli did not deliver scoring not even 10 goals together. Paulinho & Eriksen contributed from midfield & Ade scored handful towards back end of season.
Now -
i) Entire defense is revamped. Now we pray & hope that the new defensive signings click.
ii) Regardless of the Liverpool result, we do play with a purpose, a certain style
iii) Adebayor may be frustrating at times, but he is still scoring. Lamela & Eriksen were bad against Liverpool but as a combination they at least seems to deliver better play than last season. Unlike last season, you get the feeling that we will be scoring against most teams.
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What you're saying is fair, but I don't see anyone expecting us to get top four this year, especially those content with the window.
DaSpurs
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Ambition doesn't always work out. Cardiff and QPR also spent well above their traditional means in lucrative players, and hasn't gone according to plan. Would much prefer our steadiness to the fluctuations.
What did you guys want? Who should we have brought in?
Musacchio - extremely complicated with third party ownership
Schneiderlin - Saints slammed the gates shut to try and change the morale, and increase their prospects for buying new players
Rodriguez - same, and is also still in rehab
Welbeck - Man U charged a loan fee, and the player asked for absurd wages
So what did we expect to come of this? We adapted in most positions and found far more economical options with a disproportionate dropoff in quality. To me, the fact we didn't buy in those other positions reflects just how confident in the ones we did bring in Poch is. No left wing panic buy after Rodriguez, so clearly Poch rates Stambouli.
I don't need to get fourth, but as long as we don't see anymore of Sunday's type results it'll be massive improvement. I think we brought the tools in the right places to work towards that end.
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Everton :
Everton have not improved IMO. All they did was sign their loan players and buy Eto who is going to be in bench. They didn't replace Barkley & their defense looks shakier than ever.
I am certain that we will finish far ahead of Everton this year
Plus they have entirely new thing called 'Europa League' to contend with
Arsenal :
Arsenal have better players in most position but they lack depth. For nearly 3 seasons, they have been lucky with their injuries. Finally that is looking to catchup. They have just 3 proper CBs & lost Sagna. Ozil still looks $hite. Wilshere is going backwards. But this is compensated by Sanchez who looks a star.
We can finish above Arsenal, as long as they get some injuries in key areas. Thats the only way IMO. But the gap between us isn't that bad.
Chelsea & Mancity :
Could finish 10 or 15 points above us easily. No competition there.
Liverpool :
Liverpool taught us a lesson. They look superior to us. Our only hope is their additional European games takes their toll and perform at below par level. As Mourinho said last year, they were the Chihuahua's - eat well, sleep well and every week on Saturday give everything. This season will be different. It would be interesting to see how they handle it.
Squad & quality wise, they are ahead of us.
United :
Last day signing does give them a huge lift in top4 race. But IMO, I don't think it's enough. I don't think a Falcao against Burnley last week would have give the win.This United side simply don't have ball winners -whether its in defense or in midfield or in attack. With the ball, this team will destroy teams. But without it, they will be mediocre.
As long as we remain consistent, we can finish ahead of United.
So, end game is we have improved but not enough to finish top4. Fifth would be my guess if our signings click. To reach top4 one of Arsenal & Liverpool have to perform below par.
Everton have not improved IMO. All they did was sign their loan players and buy Eto who is going to be in bench. They didn't replace Barkley & their defense looks shakier than ever.
I am certain that we will finish far ahead of Everton this year
Plus they have entirely new thing called 'Europa League' to contend with
Arsenal :
Arsenal have better players in most position but they lack depth. For nearly 3 seasons, they have been lucky with their injuries. Finally that is looking to catchup. They have just 3 proper CBs & lost Sagna. Ozil still looks $hite. Wilshere is going backwards. But this is compensated by Sanchez who looks a star.
We can finish above Arsenal, as long as they get some injuries in key areas. Thats the only way IMO. But the gap between us isn't that bad.
Chelsea & Mancity :
Could finish 10 or 15 points above us easily. No competition there.
Liverpool :
Liverpool taught us a lesson. They look superior to us. Our only hope is their additional European games takes their toll and perform at below par level. As Mourinho said last year, they were the Chihuahua's - eat well, sleep well and every week on Saturday give everything. This season will be different. It would be interesting to see how they handle it.
Squad & quality wise, they are ahead of us.
United :
Last day signing does give them a huge lift in top4 race. But IMO, I don't think it's enough. I don't think a Falcao against Burnley last week would have give the win.This United side simply don't have ball winners -whether its in defense or in midfield or in attack. With the ball, this team will destroy teams. But without it, they will be mediocre.
As long as we remain consistent, we can finish ahead of United.
So, end game is we have improved but not enough to finish top4. Fifth would be my guess if our signings click. To reach top4 one of Arsenal & Liverpool have to perform below par.
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