...with our back 4 we don't have the luxury to play with a passenger like Lamela - we need a winger who can track back and defend, and we already have a proven #10 in Eriksen...
COYS
No that's not a football team at all. Once upon a time there was a club called Manchester City that could be called a football team, but they got replaced by Oil Money FC. It's not a team...it's a display of wealth that masquerades as a competitive sports team. Spend the sort of money they have on players and wages and all claims to success go out the window. Manchester City haven't won a single trophy since being taken over...instead Oil Money has paid what it needed to buy trophies in the official name of Manchester City.
It's the equivalent of turning up at a 'build-your-own-go-Kart' race in a Ferrari, then trying to be smug about winning whilst lapping the runner-up about 30 times. It's embarrassing for them to even pretend that they are 'competing', and it's certainly not embarrassing being beaten by such an abhorrent charade of a 'club'.
As far as I'm concerned, any supposed achievements by Oil Money FC are discounted straight away. The defeat means nothing to me, because they're not a real football team. I can honestly say the 1-1 v Sunderland bothered me more than this result, because common sense tells me that Oil Money have no actual competition other than their own commercial targets. Couldn't give a flying fuck about that ghost of a club, or any 'success' they pretend to achieve. There was only one football team on the field on Saturday, and it certainly wasn't the collection of mercenaries in sky blue.
Are the people that are writing off Lamela now the same people that were writing off Gareth Bale at the same stage in his Spurs career?
He wont be a Bentley, as he is actually putting the effort in and trying.
So how about shut the fuck up.
No that's not a football team at all. Once upon a time there was a club called Manchester City that could be called a football team, but they got replaced by Oil Money FC. It's not a team...it's a display of wealth that masquerades as a competitive sports team. Spend the sort of money they have on players and wages and all claims to success go out the window. Manchester City haven't won a single trophy since being taken over...instead Oil Money has paid what it needed to buy trophies in the official name of Manchester City.
It's the equivalent of turning up at a 'build-your-own-go-Kart' race in a Ferrari, then trying to be smug about winning whilst lapping the runner-up about 30 times. It's embarrassing for them to even pretend that they are 'competing', and it's certainly not embarrassing being beaten by such an abhorrent charade of a 'club'.
As far as I'm concerned, any supposed achievements by Oil Money FC are discounted straight away. The defeat means nothing to me, because they're not a real football team. I can honestly say the 1-1 v Sunderland bothered me more than this result, because common sense tells me that Oil Money have no actual competition other than their own commercial targets. Couldn't give a flying fuck about that ghost of a club, or any 'success' they pretend to achieve. There was only one football team on the field on Saturday, and it certainly wasn't the collection of mercenaries in sky blue.
Hogwash.
Like you'd turn down the chance for a billionaire oilman or whoever to come and take over Spurs? Once the new stadium is built ENIC will sell and for the expected price it will be an American, Middle East or far East conglomerate or oil magnet that takes the club on.
Better go brush off your'e Millwall shirt if your'e looking for twentieth century football philosophy because your rhetoric defies modern day logic, i mean haven't Arsenal just celebrated their seventeenth straight CL qualification season without a drop of Castrol GTX in sight?
Sums up my feeling as well, football and competition is slowly being killed by clubs like City and those who support what they have done.
I don't agree with that at all. It's the nature of the game and have been ever since i saw Greaves play back in the sixties. Go back to the winning Liverpool sides of the seventies, and the last Man Ure era over the past quarter century. The Clubs with the most money usually are more successful and remember that Man Ure won their last PL title without a single drop of oil money.
I think someone on here posted a league table of the richest PL clubs and Spurs were sixth or seventh i seem to remember, about the same as where we actually finished in the PL. That i think in a roundabout way proves that the money buys success and always has done going back decades.
Whether we like it or not is debatable, but it's here to stay for the foreseeable future so best get used to it, as what has happened to Man Citeh and Chel$ea will come to Spurs in the near future i feel. After all what other top six or seven Club aside from Arsenal is worth more than and has as much potential offering to a billionaire or two?
To be honest mate I do nor care if you agree with it or not, compering the differences in the amount of money City and Chelsea have over the rest of the clubs to the past is neither here or there.
Like you I was around when we bought the likes of Greaves and there is no comparison in the amount of money and the gaps between the clubs now and then.
Agreed on this. Prob I have is we have spent our club record on him! If we had 30 mill to does on a player to make us better we could have done do much better than lamela, who to me is a 8 million pound player or youth product. I really don't think Townsend given a run would do much worse. And it's a shame to sayDid we pay 30m for Bale?
Ridiculous defence of Llamela.
And as for the comments saying price tag doesn't come into it????
Of course it bloody comes into it, same as the price for anything comes into getting what you pay for.
We were mugged for 30m and thats a fact. Is that Llamelas fault? Of course not but it doesnt mean you can watch him and kid yourself he's either better than he is, will come good based on f all or that the price we paid doesn't matter.
Id like nothing more than to be proved wrong but see nothing that remotely resembles a 30m player and those hoping that come the end of the season he will have shown what he's about and have 20 odd goals are kidding themselves imo.
Just where is this optimism coming from???
I'm not saying he's a bad player and won't get better. I think he will get better.
But a 30m player? I don't think so. 15-20m at the outside.
As I said, hope he proves me wrong.
This conversation would not be happening if we'd paid 10m for him so not sure how anyone can say price is irrelevant.
Actually thinking about it, we may still be having this conversation if we'd only paid 10m for him which I feel goes some way to explaining the arse ache some of us have with him.
when i said a few weeks ago that i didnt rate lamela i was roundly lambasted. I have seen nothing to change my mined he is an accident waiting to happen. he also always overplays. We should cash him in as soon as possible.Christian Eriksen is looking like the real deal IMHO, and showing up Lamele who is struggling. Townsend and Lennon need to be given more match time.
The clock is ticking for many of the squad.
when i said a few weeks ago that i didnt rate lamela i was roundly lambasted. I have seen nothing to change my mined he is an accident waiting to happen. he also always overplays. We should cash him in as soon as possible.
...with our back 4 we don't have the luxury to play with a passenger like Lamela - we need a winger who can track back and defend, and we already have a proven #10 in Eriksen...
COYS
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With respect, I think you're missing the point that I and others (SK, PL1) are making. We're not objecting to wealthy clubs buying the best players and paying the highest wages. 'twas ever thus. The fact is that Manure and the Arse, for example, have - in my view - generated their revenue the right way: through attendances, sponsorship, advertising, commercialism, marketing etc., etc.
My objection to the Chavs and Oil Well FC is that their money - and therefore the trophies they've bought with it - hasn't been generated like that. Sheikh (ha, ha) Mansour and Abramovich have used other people's money (i.e. not their own) to fund their "my dick is bigger than yours" ego trip. Their money is tarnished which means the trophies they've bought with it also are.
I too am a "Greaves generation" supporter and would love nothing more than to see my club win the title just once more in my lifetime. But if we did so, having to rely on an Abramovich or a Mansour, it would definitely, for me, take the shine off it.
Firstly, he ain't a passenger, he does get involved. He doesn't shy from the ball and does put a shift in more often than not.
Secondly, in a 4-2-3-1 the holding mids are the one that need to help the defence. Yes, the wide 2 out of the attacking mid trio need to track back when the team as a unit are defending and pressing to try and win the ball back, but it's the holding mids that need to help out at the back. I don't recall Silva and Navas being tasked with that job yesterday, it was Milner and Fernando who were helping out the defence.
Is there a book that says falling over and looking with doe eyes at the ref afterwards is a good example of team play?Read any book about any top manager or coach and it is quite clear that they breed a "defend as a team" ethos, not defend if your'e a defensive midfielder or wide player. Look at any great side and all ten outfield players defend when they do not have the ball.