Lamela

jurgen · Nov 1, 2014

Same goes for the Bale comparisons some have levelled.. Bale needed to toughen up a lot despite playing his whole career in English football. It might take another season for Lamela to show his best, but he's already demonstrably being more productive than Townsend or Lennon, though they can look like they're 'running around a bit' more I guess..

Shea · Nov 1, 2014

Chris12 said:
Danny Murphy was probably one of the worst commentators I have heard. Was having a go at anyone on the pitch, even laid in to Vetonghen for taking a shot. Was so aggressive. Average player, average commentator.

He was coming across very anti Spurs I agree and was putting a negative spin on any and everything

For the most part though he was correct - in that game (though he was making it sound like that game was representative of our club and its whole future as if we were a lost cause doomed to relegation)

The Vertonghen shot was greedy and wasteful with very little chance of scoring while 2 or 3 players were well placed ahead of him had he looked up for a through pass

We did lose the midfield and get dominated by Sissiko second half as he said

Our defense was exposed and Dier lost positionally

Our wingers were cutting in on their stronger feet every time they got the ball and being predictable and easy to contain and defend for Newcastle second half and it left us with no creativity and no penetration against a team we should have beaten at home

It wasn't nice to listen to but what he was saying was mostly true in that much

Although looking at how Newcastle went to City and won well straight after perhaps enough credit was not given to their second half performace - regardless of their prior form they're still a more settled unit more used to their manager and in the second half with a couple of key moments they turned the game on its head and we were unable to respond

Bad day at the office for a team in transisition (we will see more as we grow until we can become more consistent) and what Murphy was saying was harsh but true in my opinion - although his spin made it sound like we are going backwards and no consideration was made for the fact that we're basically starting over and trying to implement so many new things to a new team with a manager they have only just started working with and judgement should be reserved for further down the line (where as Murphy was acting like we should already be the finished product and the fact we under performed means things are doomed)

Shea · Nov 1, 2014

Kendall said:
We never played him in his position, really.

I blame the people who scouted and okayed our recent transfers for that

We bought so many players who's best position seems to be in the hole centrally behind the striker

Last season we had Sig, Kane, Paulinho, Lamela, Chadli and Holtby who all arguably are at their best and most comfortable playing there and since only one can you're left putting square pegs in round holes when trying to get your best players on the pitch and playing well together

It reminds me of the ENgland golden generation situation

Playing Gerrard and Lampard as a central pairing even though time and again it proved an unsuccessful match and forcing Scholes (the best player of the generation) out wide just to get the all on the pitch at the same time regardless of the compatibility and it simply didn't work as a unit

Same goes for Spurs in my eyes - we've bought all these players based on their abilities as indivduals with little to no regard to how they'll suit our team/squad and fit as a unit. Okay having 4 managers all with differing ideas doesn't help but still the basics of getting players who are natural in positions we need to strengthen instead of over loading certain areas and neglecting others should be immune to the lack of cohesion from short term managers

I really hope now that we've learned some lessons, have a set plan in place for how we want the team to play and begin to make the type of key signings we need to both fit the system/tactics the manager wants to implement and suit the current playing staff stylistically so they compliement each other and can form a cohesive team unit on the same wavelength instead of scouting players purely for their indivdual talents regardless and or potential resale value regardless of how they fit into our needs as a squad

ultimateloner · Nov 1, 2014

Lamela needs to start every game for the simple fact that when we get pressed he looks like the only 1 with the confid and ability to hang onto the ball. Eriksen sadly doesn't seem to have the bottle

Main Man · Nov 3, 2014

ultimateloner said:
Lamela needs to start every game for the simple fact that when we get pressed he looks like the only 1 with the confid and ability to hang onto the ball. Eriksen sadly doesn't seem to have the bottle

Eriksen was withdrawn yesterday for Lamela and we worse because of it.

Until the sending off we didn't have a single shot second half.

Yet again, Lamela produced midweek then did nothing on the weekend in a proper game.

At least our next fixture is in the Europa League, he should play well in that one.

0-Tibsy-0 · Nov 3, 2014

Main Man said:
Eriksen was withdrawn yesterday for Lamela and we worse because of it.

Until the sending off we didn't have a single shot second half.

Yet again, Lamela produced midweek then did nothing on the weekend in a proper game.

At least our next fixture is in the Europa League, he should play well in that one.

He got an assist (albeit a corner), showed some passion and fight and filled in doing an unnatural job as a CM. Given the other performances yesterday, I hardly feel, given his attitude, that we can single out Lamela for a poor performance. He was Ok in terms of ability, and a bit better in regards to attitude.

raf18 · Nov 3, 2014

Main Man said:
Eriksen was withdrawn yesterday for Lamela and we worse because of it.

Until the sending off we didn't have a single shot second half.

Yet again, Lamela produced midweek then did nothing on the weekend in a proper game.

At least our next fixture is in the Europa League, he should play well in that one.

Did nothing? I think you'll find he assisted the first goal. That equates to what Townsend did in the whole of last year.

GMI · Nov 3, 2014

This may have been picked up elsewhere but at two key points in the match Lamela and Kane were on less than friendly terms. Kane pushed Lamela away when he was waving his imaginary red. Prior to the winner Lamela was tustling to get the ball to take the freekick that Kane ultimately scored. Hope we don't have cliques in the dressing room. Probably looking into it too much but worth a mention.

0-Tibsy-0 · Nov 3, 2014

GMI said:
This may have been picked up elsewhere but at two key points in the match Lamela and Kane were on less than friendly terms. Kane pushed Lamela away when he was waving his imaginary red. Prior to the winner Lamela was tustling to get the ball to take the freekick that Kane ultimately scored. Hope we don't have cliques in the dressing room. Probably looking into it too much but worth a mention.

I don't think that was unfriendly as such, Lamela is young and coming from a footballing culture where the card waving is more acceptable, Kane is more in tune perhaps with the values of English football and discouraged him. In regards to the freekick, that happens all the time in every team when the main set piece taker isnt on the pitch. I credit both of them for wanting to take responsibility.

There probably are slight clique sthough. The young guys through the academy have more of a bond with each other, while the Belgiams will probably get on better socially together as do probably, Fazio, Lamela and Soldado. I'd think thats natural too.

Lamela didnt mind running across and bundling on Kane after the goal!

Nebby · Nov 3, 2014

Frankly, neither look great at Premiership level at the moment. Eriksen doesn't get wide and doesn't seem to have a defensive bone in his body, and leaves his fullback constantly exposed. Lamela does track back but has a bad habit of giving the ball away in deep positions. A better team would have punished us yesterday. Still, at least he seems to have stopped all of the needless show pony stuff.

TheGreenLily · Nov 3, 2014

0-Tibsy-0 said:
I don't think that was unfriendly as such, Lamela is young and coming from a footballing culture where the card waving is more acceptable, Kane is more in tune perhaps with the values of English football and discouraged him. In regards to the freekick, that happens all the time in every team when the main set piece taker isnt on the pitch. I credit both of them for wanting to take responsibility.

There probably are slight clique sthough. The young guys through the academy have more of a bond with each other, while the Belgiams will probably get on better socially together as do probably, Fazio, Lamela and Soldado. I'd think thats natural too.

Lamela didnt mind running across and bundling on Kane after the goal!

That is the important part, if I didn't like someone, I would not be doing that.

talkshowhost86 · Nov 3, 2014

What I did like about Lamela's performance yesterday was his willingness to come and get the ball and to try and drive us forwards. The end product wasn't quite there but whereas Eriksen always seems to flit in and out of the game and spend a lot of time on the fringes, Lamela came deep for the ball and genuinely looked up for it which is something I haven't seen a lot of from him previously.

It was hardly a vintage performance but at least there is a degree of confidence coming into his game now and if that continues to build maybe we'll see some more consistent performances from him.

As for Eriksen, he needs a spell on the bench. He's a luxury player when on form, but when he's not he's quite detrimental to the team.

Kendall · Nov 3, 2014

Main Man said:
Eriksen was withdrawn yesterday for Lamela and we worse because of it.

Until the sending off we didn't have a single shot second half.

Yet again, Lamela produced midweek then did nothing on the weekend in a proper game.

At least our next fixture is in the Europa League, he should play well in that one.

Oooh I don't know about that, mate. I thought Eriksen was really poor. Lamela didn't do enough, but Eriksen needed putting out of his misery.

jurgen · Nov 3, 2014

Kendall said:
Oooh I don't know about that, mate. I thought Eriksen was really poor. Lamela didn't do enough, but Eriksen needed putting out of his misery.

Yep, I really don't think yesterday is a good example for Eriksen over Lamela, Eriksen was anonymous and shirking everything unfortunately..

Kendall · Nov 3, 2014

jurgen said:
Yep, I really don't think yesterday is a good example for Eriksen over Lamela, Eriksen was anonymous and shirking everything unfortunately..

Is Eriksen another victim of the system? He started off good in a Spurs shirt, had 2 good games, then went missing for the remainder of AVB's time here. Tim got him playing his best football (I know, Tim haters, I know) and now he's struggling again. I know he's got a few goals, but his job is to be the influencer. Like TSH says, he's detrimental when off form. Having both him and Lamela in the team, not performing well enough in the league means we have too many passengers not taking responsibility.

I don't like the idea of having to drop him because we know he's proven to be a good Premier League player.

talkshowhost86 · Nov 3, 2014

Kendall said:
Is Eriksen another victim of the system? He started off good in a Spurs shirt, had 2 good games, then went missing for the remainder of AVB's time here. Tim got him playing his best football (I know, Tim haters, I know) and now he's struggling again. I know he's got a few goals, but his job is to be the influencer. Like TSH says, he's detrimental when off form. Having both him and Lamela in the team, not performing well enough in the league means we have too many passengers not taking responsibility.

I don't like the idea of having to drop him because we know he's proven to be a good Premier League player.

I suppose there was always going to be a question about whether he could be part of a 'pressing team' but I think his work-rate is generally quite good and there's no reason he couldn't play a similar role to Lallana whilst he was at SCBC with Poch.

But I think if you're going to have one player like that, then you need everyone else to be a bit more direct, which is where having Lamela and Eriksen perhaps becomes a problem.

I keep clinging to the hope that they are good enough players to work it out so that we can accommodate them both, but at the moment I think we need to go with only one of our 'flair' players and currently Lamela is (just) in the better form.

yido_number1 · Nov 3, 2014

Something Sherwood picked up on last year and has repeatedly commented on this year is how slow we move the ball from defence to attack. Players like Lamela and Eriksen are so much better when counter attacking at speed and not bogged down by having 10 players to move the ball through. We continually go sideways and backwards and only one player seems capable of moving the ball forwards and that is Mason. If we can speed up our play I think we will start to see the best of the players we have in the front 4 positions.

Kendall · Nov 3, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
I suppose there was always going to be a question about whether he could be part of a 'pressing team' but I think his work-rate is generally quite good and there's no reason he couldn't play a similar role to Lallana whilst he was at SCBC with Poch.

But I think if you're going to have one player like that, then you need everyone else to be a bit more direct, which is where having Lamela and Eriksen perhaps becomes a problem.

I keep clinging to the hope that they are good enough players to work it out so that we can accommodate them both, but at the moment I think we need to go with only one of our 'flair' players and currently Lamela is (just) in the better form.

Lallana was at Scarborough Chinese Baptist Church?

Kendall · Nov 3, 2014

yido_number1 said:
Something Sherwood picked up on last year and has repeatedly commented on this year is how slow we move the ball from defence to attack. Players like Lamela and Eriksen are so much better when counter attacking at speed and not bogged down by having 10 players to move the ball through. We continually go sideways and backwards and only one player seems capable of moving the ball forwards and that is Mason. If we can speed up our play I think we will start to see the best of the players we have in the front 4 positions.

The annoying thing is we've been talking about speeding up our play since Harry left and it's not happening. In fact, whenever we seem to try it, we suffer from hilariously poor mis-control. Our movement off the ball is so poor that simply moving the ball more quickly isn't enough.

You just have to look at the little diagonals that City and Arsenal make to see that we're some way off having that in our locker.

Kendall · Nov 3, 2014

Maybe it's the cup competition influence, but I don't think enough is being done on the training ground. Add that to the chop/changing lineups and you can almost understand why the players are not on the right wavelength.

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