Tottenham Vs Man United: Match Thread

nidge · Dec 28, 2014

prawnsandwich said:
The point of a tactical sub is to change the game. Maureen brought on Drogba for Mikel-was he trying to shore up the midfield?

Oh I must have missed Drogba scoring the winner for Chelsea today.

Blake Griffin · Dec 28, 2014

Sweetsman said:
Yes, but on Planet Reality Eriksen may not have provided enough defensive cover on the left. He's good enough to be up there with the likes of Fabregas and his most dangerous position is in the middle where he will draw defenders towards him.

yet the results say we do perfectly fine with him on the left so he obviously doesn't do too much damage there defensively, i'm not convinced chadli is better in that regard either. but hey, let's stick eriksen in a position where he's creatively stifled, marked out of the game and provides a goal or an assist once every four games all because he looks like a #10, even though he's done nothing there to suggest he's an effective one.

http://theinsidechannel.com/2014/11/28/analysis/tactics/christian-eriksen-isnt-number-10/

shelfboy68 · Dec 28, 2014

Sweetsman said:
Yes, but on Planet Reality Eriksen may not have provided enough defensive cover on the left. He's good enough to be up there with the likes of Fabregas and his most dangerous position is in the middle where he will draw defenders towards him.

Ideally Eriksen would play better in the modric role when we have the right players purchased that allow him to come off the flank and into the middle.

DaSpurs · Dec 28, 2014

Sweetsman said:
Yes, but on Planet Reality Eriksen may not have provided enough defensive cover on the left. He's good enough to be up there with the likes of Fabregas and his most dangerous position is in the middle where he will draw defenders towards him.

Tbf to Blake, he provides a good argument using sound reasoning and evidence, but he views it as too isolated. He points to where Eriksen is the most productive, but he overlooks the consideration of where the XI as a whole is most efficient. I'll also give him that he doesn't ignore it altogether, but I don't think he gives it the consideration it deserves.

Sweetsman · Dec 28, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
yet the results say we do perfectly fine with him on the left so he obviously doesn't do too much damage there defensively, i'm not convinced chadli is better in that regard either. but hey, let's stick eriksen in a position where he's creatively stifled, marked out of the game and provides a goal or an assist once every four games all because he looks like a #10, even though he's done nothing there to suggest he's an effective one.

http://theinsidechannel.com/2014/11/28/analysis/tactics/christian-eriksen-isnt-number-10/

The point is that he is better in that position when we need more defensive cover against teams like ManU. Your reference is from November and he has been playing better since then.

prawnsandwich · Dec 28, 2014

sim0n said:
C'mon prawnsandwich,.... admit you are Townsend's agent...

I wish. The poor sod is prob on only (only, already) about £20k per week and for sure I could double that for him!. Any kind of per cent of that pays for this years turkey.

prawnsandwich · Dec 28, 2014

greaves said:
Now both of you kiss and make up. And no tongues.

No tongues, no make up!

vigospur · Dec 28, 2014

FFS. Do people realise that this is Mason's first season in the first team?
The manager is obviously going to stick with him. And quite right to. Top player in the making.

greaves · Dec 28, 2014

prawnsandwich said:
No tongues, no make up!

Okay. You can use a small amount of mascara to look more attractive. But that's it.

prawnsandwich · Dec 28, 2014

nidge said:
Oh I must have missed Drogba scoring the winner for Chelsea today.

You will never win the lottery if you don't buy the ticket.
http://www.worldfootball.net/report...viertelfinale-chelsea-fc-paris-saint-germain/

Sweetsman · Dec 28, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
I prefer the way we played in the second half with Dembele on than the first forty five minutes. As i have said quite obvious the difference made with the ball being retained by our midfield.

If someone can cut whatever knot is in Dembélé's brain so that he stops being afraid of passing forward or shooting, they will have one hell of a footballer. He was just the same in World Cup: I watched him to see if he was any different from his play at Spurs, but he wasn't. The guy has it all in his locker.

prawnsandwich · Dec 28, 2014

greaves said:
Okay. You can use a small amount of mascara to look more attractive. But that's it.

Are you saying I need make up for the make up?
I am not made up for that. I am a natural beauty.

prawnsandwich · Dec 28, 2014

vigospur said:
FFS. Do people realise that this is Mason's first season in the first team?
The manager is obviously going to stick with him. And quite right to. Top player in the making.

I loved what Mason did today. He had many, many misplaced passes. He missed a sitter(?) But I loved him today.

Sweetsman · Dec 28, 2014

Dundalk_Spur said:
Did you not see Rooney mounting Kane at a corner??? I was going buy poor Harry a rape alarm!!!

I thought Fazio was MOM he won everything.

Maybe, Rooney thought he saw an old attractive woman in front of him?

Blake Griffin · Dec 28, 2014

Sweetsman said:
The point is that he is better in that position when we need more defensive cover against teams like ManU. Your reference is from November and he has been playing better since then.

i'm not convinced by that either, i think chadli is pretty lax when it comes to tracking back. i don't know what the last bit means, i think he puts in a performance from the left in virtually every game he plays there, the complete opposite when he's playing as a 10. i had to ask someone the last time he had a meaningful productive game from that position in the league and they tell me norwich at home, his debut. i'm pretty sure one of the main reasons we had so little control in midfield today was because eriksen wasn't playing his usual role of auxiliary midfielder, instead he's too high up and gets lost.

Sweetsman · Dec 28, 2014

I don't think we'll get anything from the ref against Chelsea, because Mourinho is doing his Derren Brown bit.

prawnsandwich · Dec 28, 2014

Chadli and Eriksen and Lamela cannot all play in the same team.

DaSpurs · Dec 28, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
yet the results say we do perfectly fine with him on the left so he obviously doesn't do too much damage there defensively, i'm not convinced chadli is better in that regard either. but hey, let's stick eriksen in a position where he's creatively stifled, marked out of the game and provides a goal or an assist once every four games all because he looks like a #10, even though he's done nothing there to suggest he's an effective one.

http://theinsidechannel.com/2014/11/28/analysis/tactics/christian-eriksen-isnt-number-10/

That article a) overlooks what position made him the youngest player at the 2010 World Cup, b) is overly semantic in its discerning between his position in a 4-3-3 and a 4-2-3-1 , c) overlooks that Ajax had little defensive responsibility thereby allowing Eriksen a freer role, d) fails to mention the difference in quality of opposition employed against from which the Sherwood point was made, e) laughably points to a game against Hull for making a case of pass production before conceding the fact Hull were playing a man down, and f) concludes with advocating a different position to the one you do.

I like that you back your point up with your own sound reasoning and evidence though. I just think that we have no compensation for movement orchestration with Eriksen wide, as we have no playmaker in the core. We're improving, but still far too static no matter what, and especially when Eriksen is wide. Eriksen would be so much better with more assistance from deep, or could even justifiably be argued to play wide with such an introduction. But I cannot understand how you can advocate sacrificing that movement orchestrator centrally, and pace on the flanks, for Eriksen's numbers against easier competition.

DaSpurs · Dec 28, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
i'm not convinced by that either, i think chadli is pretty lax when it comes to tracking back. i don't know what the last bit means, i think he puts in a performance from the left in virtually every game he plays there, the complete opposite when he's playing as a 10. i had to ask someone the last time he had a meaningful productive game from that position in the league and they tell me norwich at home, his debut. i'm pretty sure one of the main reasons we had so little control in midfield today was because eriksen wasn't playing his usual role of auxiliary midfielder, instead he's too high up and gets lost.

As a continuation on the last point, I think this has more to do with an effect from the team rather than Eriksen himself. Sherwood pushed Eriksen wide because it was the single only way we could get him the ball, because in Sherwood's own words we badly lacked a passer from deep. Eriksen often has so little space because he simply is not getting the ball quickly enough, and so is often turning into a mark, or even two. So, Sherwood pushed not only our best playmaker wide, but our single only player who seemed unfazed by all the shit of the time. For all the crap I give Eriksen for being too calm during matches, during those games that serenity/zen was seemingly the only thing that kept us in games.

Eriksen, or anyone we intend to play at the CAM spot, has to have better movement from deep or they will always be stifled. Kane wasn't a creator there against Everton, he was simply playing off the shoulder of Soldado and did very well to drop in to receive or nick the ball off an Everton player. He didn't turn to pull strings, he turned and ran at the opposition. If that is what you're wanting, that's fair and understandable, but that too would also benefit from a playmaker deep.

DEFchenkOE · Dec 28, 2014

prawnsandwich said:
I agree it was a decent performance. I agree a point is acceptable. My point is we could and we should have won the game and that MoPo and his subs did not give us the opportunity.

What was wrong with his subs? I was a bit surprised he took Townsend and Chadli off but I think it worked out well with Dembele - Stambouli - Mason in the middle. Wouldn't be against seeing that midfield again tbh.

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