Tottenham Vs Swansea: Match Thread

we continue to do it the hard way

should have won 5-2!!

prawnsandwich said:

I bet the other 13 wins were under Tim!

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Haven't you defected to VillaCommunity yet? Or TimmyChat?

nightgoat said:

Haven't you defected to VillaCommunity yet? Or TimmyChat?

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Why? I don't give a fuck about Villa. Unlike a load of haters here.

I've been at the match tonight so not seen any of this thread.

Has it been noted that Lloris played almost every single ball short to a defender tonight?
In most of the most recent games he seemed to have blindly punted every last sodding ball out into the channels.
We played noticeably better tonight for stopping that shit.

scat1620 said:

Nah. Big fan of your work, Blake, but that's way off. Goals are only a curse if, say, you score them early against a powerful team who then get their game on and proceed to thump you. Any goals scored in a win are never a curse.

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they are if it means it keeps them in the team, maybe we can get away with it against qpr but i don't want this lineup for utd away.

I tell you what was a fantastic but of biz, to get 5mil for naughton !!! Awful fullback !! For our third goal he was hopeless. Got beaten twice by his man (Townsend) for the goal! so glad we got rid

i love Hugo Lloris - that's all I know! Dier and Verts are so lucky to have him behind them.

Does anyone think Mourinho would have made those subs tonight?

Chadli 11 goals this season and some still want him gone. The mind boggles.
Watched game and just watched motd.
When will we realise there's more to defending than all piling into the goal area?
Stop looking at the ball ffs and get tight on runners. Pick a man. Schoolboy shit it really is.
Some nice positive attacking play tonight though and nice to see our shots taken getting up in 20s again.
Fk Id have taken double figures under AVB.

Think this a better win than most are giving us credit for given that this Swansea team beat Man Utd just 2 weeks ago

I'm happy for Flipper. He got a much needed goal to boost his confidence. Hasn't been the same since his padre died. Hopefully this is just the lift he needed.

Mr Pink said:

But that's such a banal way to look at it. Surely you can see that we're building something for the future. The young core of players who look like they're going to be at Tottenham for a long time, who could form an exceptional spine to the team for years to come.

A young and ambitious manager who's trying to give us an identity and playing style. Surely its encouraging that its became more evident in recent weeks and the players are buying into it.

Have you ever seen us steam role Arsenal like that? Or Put 5 past Chelsea?

Yes its not always on show but we've played a huge amount of games and I think any balanced supporter can see the promise for the future if we keep this core and manager together.

If people want to look at it negatively, they'll find the negatives and present it as such like you've done but its ignoring all the context.

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I have provided context, but you and the majority are refusing to accept the reality for what is.

We maybe evolving, and 'signs' of future progression may be evident BUT so far we have not progressed one bit from where we were 12 months ago (hence being in the same position and showing no real sign of that changing any time soon).

We are no closer to the Champions League and we all know that is the ultimate aim in the short-term.

You point to victories against Arsenal and Chelsea as context. That isn't context, that is two isolated fixtures as is Newcastle and West Brom at home.

Maybe you want to look at our overall home record this season as context, but I imagine you will simply point out that we are currently nine unbeaten at the lane.

And long may that run continue might I add.

Anyway, great win this evening under the circumstances. We scored some great goals, but worryingly again we have conceded two horrific goals (and Verts was again at the centre of utter madness).

Up the Spurs!

Main Man said:

I have provided context, but you and the majority are refusing to accept the reality for what is.

We maybe evolving, and 'signs' of future progression may be evident BUT so far we have not progressed one bit from where we were 12 months ago (hence being in the same position and showing no real sign of that changing any time soon).

We are no closer to the Champions League and we all know that is the ultimate aim in the short-term.

You point to victories against Arsenal and Chelsea as context. That isn't context, that is two isolated fixtures as is Newcastle and West Brom at home.

Maybe you want to look at our overall home record this season as context, but I imagine you will simply point out that we are currently nine unbeaten at the lane.

And long may that run continue might I add.

Anyway, great win this evening under the circumstances. We scored some great goals, but worryingly again we have conceded two horrific goals (and Verts was again centre of attention).

Up the Spurs!

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Not everything is about our position in the table. If that's the only way you measure 'progression', then you are very narrow-minded.

shelfmonkey said:

Mason hasn't completed his first season yet, give the boy a chance dude!

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I'm not criticising him, I'm just saying he's got the talent and I'd like to see him making runs into the box a lot more. He's scored hatfuls at every youth level he's played and many of his loans so he's got it in him.

shelfboy68 said:

All the teams above us are in to double figures for goal difference we are plus six,thats Our problem and one of the reasons why we wont get top four.
Until this gets sorted properly top four is a no no.

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It's actually surprising how often goal difference is indicative of actual relative performance.

Just seen the Townsend goal.

Did it remind anyone else of Bales goal in the cola del rey final?

It did me.

Main Man said:

I have provided context, but you and the majority are refusing to accept the reality for what is.

We maybe evolving, and 'signs' of future progression may be evident BUT so far we have not progressed one bit from where we were 12 months ago (hence being in the same position and showing no real sign of that changing any time soon).

We are no closer to the Champions League and we all know that is the ultimate aim in the short-term.

You point to victories against Arsenal and Chelsea as context. That isn't context, that is two isolated fixtures as is Newcastle and West Brom at home.

Maybe you want to look at our overall home record this season as context, but I imagine you will simply point out that we are currently nine unbeaten at the lane.

And long may that run continue might I add.

Anyway, great win this evening under the circumstances. We scored some great goals, but worryingly again we have conceded two horrific goals (and Verts was again at the centre of utter madness).

Up the Spurs!

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Newcastle and West Brom came earlier in the season. Chelsea and Arsenal have came in the new year, that is context - in that we're seeing more evidence of his style and playing better as a team.

I don't want to look at the overall home record at all.. .Why would you think that? I'm much more interested in seeing progression, which there clearly has been over the last two months or so....that's bloody context.

prawnsandwich said:

Does anyone think Mourinho would have made those subs tonight?

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Nobody replied. I understand the Davies sub. Why did Andros need to be subbed? Maybe his fitness is not 100%?
Soldado-why??????? I don't buy the Kane tired angle.

Main Man said:

I have provided context, but you and the majority are refusing to accept the reality for what is.

We maybe evolving, and 'signs' of future progression may be evident BUT so far we have not progressed one bit from where we were 12 months ago (hence being in the same position and showing no real sign of that changing any time soon).

We are no closer to the Champions League and we all know that is the ultimate aim in the short-term.

You point to victories against Arsenal and Chelsea as context. That isn't context, that is two isolated fixtures as is Newcastle and West Brom at home.

Maybe you want to look at our overall home record this season as context, but I imagine you will simply point out that we are currently nine unbeaten at the lane.

And long may that run continue might I add.

Anyway, great win this evening under the circumstances. We scored some great goals, but worryingly again we have conceded two horrific goals (and Verts was again at the centre of utter madness).

Up the Spurs!

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Seems like there's no middle ground with some on here. Everything has to be 'super smashing great' or else you're tarred with the negativity brush. I'm all for some positivity, but a few on here behave like hyperactive children getting over-excited, instead of adopting a more realistic approach.

We're a hell of a long way from the quality of the team that got us two top four finishes, so it's not surprising that some will measure our current position against that high watermark. In a couple of years we've gone from genuine competitors right back to a team of 'potential' not unlike Jol's Spurs. We didn't capitalise on our higher profile in the football world when we had the chance (can you imagine a player of Moutinho's or Hazard's quality even considering mentioning the possibility - however remote- of joining us now?). We sold our best players and either downgraded or took big gambles that for the most part don't look like paying off. We got into a great position and blew it. I'm convinced of that. So I completely understand where you're coming from. We've taken five steps back, but some are throwing a party because we look like we might take one step forward? Seems like a perpetual small-time mentality, and there's nothing wrong with expecting us to be progressing instead of treading water.

On the other hand I do see some real signs of positivity under Pochettino. In an ideal world we'll all look back on this season as the start of a new era, where our young players develop together as a real team and push us to the next level (well...I say "next level" but really I mean the level we were at two or three seasons ago). That's the hope, and there's every indication that this group of players is capable of it.

Unfortunately a few people on here seem to think that this possibility is now an inevitability, when most of us know that's not how football works. Lloris won't stay at a 'developing' squad if we're not in the mix at the top of the table. Anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves. Likewise Eriksen, and possibly Vertonghen if he recaptures his form long enough to be of interest to more successful teams. Football these days is always a race against time. Improve quicker than the teams around you, be successful enough to keep your best players for a little longer, and when you get to the level you want to be you need to keep investing and developing in order to stay there.

We've show glimpses of what we are capable of under Pochettino, but unless those glimpses start turning into the standard, we'll lose players and have to start all over again.

For the record I won't consider this season a failure if we continue to show signs of improvement and finish somewhere in the top six (which seems like a bit of a push right now). If that happens to be enough to keep our best players here I'd see anything other than a top four finish next season a huge disappointment.

prawnsandwich said:

Does anyone think Mourinho would have made those subs tonight?

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I got this one - No, because they don't play for Chelsea?

What do I win?