Tottenham Vs Swansea: Match Thread

[shelfmonkey]

I'm not criticising him, I'm just saying he's got the talent and I'd like to see him making runs into the box a lot more. He's scored hatfuls at every youth level he's played and many of his loans so he's got it in him.

Not really having a go at ya, just saying that give him time and he'll grow in experience and confidence, after all the youth levels are vastly different to the PL level and Poch's system is different to the systems he's brought up in.

 

[ajspurs]

Only just seen Townsend grabbing the steward in his celebration

Fair play to Sig for not celebrating as well. I wasn't his biggest supporter in his time here but that's because I think he was played out of position for the majority of the time.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Nobody replied. I understand the Davies sub. Why did Andros need to be subbed? Maybe his fitness is not 100%?
Soldado-why??????? I don't buy the Kane tired angle.

I started getting ready to go home when soldado came on.
It's pretty much a "we'll just forsake possession in their half" statement bringing that chump on. I left on 81 minutes to try and get a head start on the crowds and seems I was right.

 

[DaSpurs]

Only just seen Townsend grabbing the steward in his celebration

Fair play to Sig for not celebrating as well. I wasn't his biggest supporter in his time here but that's because I think he was played out of position for the majority of the time.

Haha yeah I loved Townsend's celebration. Dude was fuckin amped to have finally done it.

And yeah I appreciated that from Sig, as tbh I've wondered this season how he felt about us. Did he resent us, or did he understand he was just simply not suited to the compacted systems we constantly face and felt the change back necessary himself? So after two years of struggling to maintain his position in the team, I thought it was a touch of class he had the decency to reel it in anyway. He could easily have resented us for his tenure at Spurs.

 

[ajspurs]

Haha yeah I loved Townsend's celebration. Dude was fuckin amped to have finally done it.

And yeah I appreciated that from Sig, as tbh I've wondered this season how he felt about us. Did he resent us, or did he understand he was just simply not suited to the compacted systems we constantly face and felt the change back necessary himself? So after two years of struggling to maintain his position in the team, I thought it was a touch of class he had the decency to reel it in anyway. He could easily have resented us for his tenure at Spurs.

Indeed. I was happy for him really and I was one who really didn't want him to start. I actually thought he was a bit better yesterday and I'll be honest, the shoot from everywhere Townsend under Harry/AVB was much better than the one we've been seeing for the majority of this season IMO. It was nice to see him have a few efforts on goal. There was a really nice move where Eriksen's deft touch found an inwards running Townsend who struck well but straight down the middle. We need to be seeing that more from him and Lamela, really need to be getting the most out of their talents which we're struggling to do. I think that move was a perfect example of what we need to be seeing from both Lamela and Townsend, they need to get into positions close to goal and in shooting range on a consistent basis.

Yeah I fully agree. I know you never really know any of the footballers as people but you can still get an impression from them and I've always had the impression that Sig is just a 'good guy'. I wouldn't have even blamed him for celebrating in delight.

 

[spursram]

Anyone can post the goals please?

 

[VegasII]

Cheers for the highlights spursram

Townsend grabbing the steward

Loved the way Mason fell over while smashing in his goal.

Whatever happened to that Michu bloke that Swansea had? He was highly rated but he seems to have vanished.

 

[Corky]

Just seen those goals, didn't see the whole game, our defending looked a bit iffy to say the least

 

[prawnsandwich]

Kinda ironic that, given that so many Americans are turned off by the game because of the rampant diving.

Ex pros every week on MOTD are actively ENCOURAGING younger pros to dive so as to "help" the ref.
It's disgusting but-you know what-I am agreeing with them. No other sport condones cheating or pretending (except "wrestling.")

 

[Main Man]

Nobody replied. I understand the Davies sub. Why did Andros need to be subbed? Maybe his fitness is not 100%?
Soldado-why??????? I don't buy the Kane tired angle.

Kane was terrible and should have been subbed a lot earlier than he should have been.

Rose was clearly knackered, but I am not sure why Townsend was taken off. Seemed odd after finally actually providing us something.

 

[Gbspurs]

Kane was terrible and should have been subbed a lot earlier than he should have been.

Rose was clearly knackered, but I am not sure why Townsend was taken off. Seemed odd after finally actually providing us something.

Terrible is a bit harsh. He wasn't really in the game, agreed but as long as he keeps closing down, making runs and trying he will never be "terrible".

 

[Main Man]

Newcastle and West Brom came earlier in the season. Chelsea and Arsenal have came in the new year, that is context - in that we're seeing more evidence of his style and playing better as a team.

One win in five came more recently...

But you are right, we have improved since the start of the season so in that respect we have progressed. However, the start of the season is the worst shape I have seen us since the Ramos days - we looked like and were performing like a mid-table team.

Seems like there's no middle ground with some on here. Everything has to be 'super smashing great' or else you're tarred with the negativity brush. I'm all for some positivity, but a few on here behave like hyperactive children getting over-excited, instead of adopting a more realistic approach.

On the other hand I do see some real signs of positivity under Pochettino. In an ideal world we'll all look back on this season as the start of a new era, where our young players develop together as a real team and push us to the next level (well...I say "next level" but really I mean the level we were at two or three seasons ago). That's the hope, and there's every indication that this group of players is capable of it.

There are definitely some signs of positivity and what may come in the future. But it infuriates me when people tell me we are currently better now than we were under our previous three managers.

The biggest issue I have with Poch is that at the start of the season he pissed about and gave chances to people we/the club already knew were either not good enough or a disruptive influence. He also deployed certain players in a system in which they were never going to flourish. That whole completely unnecessary process is ultimately what is going to cost us in our pursuit of a Champions League spot.

I am actually delighted he seems to have finally settled on a team that he feels his strongest, even if I disagree with his selection. He can live or die by this team he has now.

I hope he lives.

But I want an improvement on Sherwood and AVB after they were publically shamed for achieving more (or the same for arguments sake) than what we are currently.

 

[SteveH]

The whole bloody team are "terrible" at any given moment according to some 'wise' folk on here!

I dont no why we bother watching!

 

[Main Man]

Terrible is a bit harsh. He wasn't really in the game, agreed but as long as he keeps closing down, making runs and trying he will never be "terrible".

He was 5/6 out of 10 last night?

I do feel sorry for him though because we leave him so isolated at times. But then he has also got to learn that dropping deep and trying to do it all yourself - especially when he is now a marked man - is not the way forward.

People compare him to Teddy, and that's the man he needs to look to. When he comes deep and spreads the play wide, he needs to bust a gut and get in the box... not stand on the edge of the box.

Soldado showed more than Kane in his brief cameo. I am not advocating for a Soldado start over Kane in anyway btw, but the kid does need a rest. That has been quite visible since the Arsenal game imo.

 

[Mr Pink]

One win in five came more recently...

But you are right, we have improved since the start of the season so in that respect we have progressed. However, the start of the season is the worst shape I have seen us since the Ramos days - we looked like and were performing like a mid-table team.



There are definitely some signs of positivity and what may come in the future. But it infuriates me when people tell me we are currently better now than we were under our previous three managers.

The biggest issue I have with Poch is that at the start of the season he pissed about and gave chances to people we/the club already knew were either not good enough or a disruptive influence. He also deployed certain players in a system in which they were never going to flourish. That whole completely unnecessary process is ultimately what is going to cost us in our pursuit of a Champions League spot.

I am actually delighted he seems to have finally settled on a team that he feels his strongest, even if I disagree with his selection. He can live or die by this team he has now.

I hope he lives.

But I want an improvement on Sherwood and AVB after they were publically shamed for achieving more (or the same for arguments sake) than what we are currently.

Who has said that?

Its splitting hairs anyway. The point is we're likely to be better in the long term under Pochettino's reign.

 

[Gbspurs]

He was 5/6 out of 10 last night?

I do feel sorry for him though because we leave him so isolated at times. But then he has also got to learn that dropping deep and trying to do it all yourself - especially when he is now a marked man - is not the way forward.

People compare him to Teddy, and that's the man he needs to look to. When he comes deep and spreads the play wide, he needs to bust a gut and get in the box... not stand on the edge of the box.

Soldado showed more than Kane in his brief cameo. I am not advocating for a Soldado start over Kane in anyway btw, but the kid does need a rest. That has been quite visible since the Arsenal game imo.

Yeah I agree, The Arsenal game was definitely the peak for both him and us. He will learn how to influence games better when he isn't scoring i'm sure, all comes with age.

 

[chinaman]

Many thanks.

 

[Kilkenny Cat]

One win in five came more recently...

But you are right, we have improved since the start of the season so in that respect we have progressed. However, the start of the season is the worst shape I have seen us since the Ramos days - we looked like and were performing like a mid-table team.


The one person who can't be blamed for that is Pochettino. He inherited the mess.



There are definitely some signs of positivity and what may come in the future. But it infuriates me when people tell me we are currently better now than we were under our previous three managers.

The biggest issue I have with Poch is that at the start of the season he pissed about and gave chances to people we/the club already knew were either not good enough or a disruptive influence. He also deployed certain players in a system in which they were never going to flourish. That whole completely unnecessary process is ultimately what is going to cost us in our pursuit of a Champions League spot.


Can't agree. Of course it was a "necessary process". Every manager has to find out for himself. Pochettino had to give everyone a chance - to hang themselves, in some instances - and make up his own mind. You're blaming him for not hitting the ground running and are ignoring the fact that inculcating the style of play he wanted was always going to take six months. You seriously think he shouldn't have used Adebayor, who finished last season in such style?


I am actually delighted he seems to have finally settled on a team that he feels his strongest, even if I disagree with his selection. He can live or die by this team he has now.


Out of curiosity, who's not in the team that you feel should be? And in what ways do you believe they'd strengthen it?

 

[Main Man]

@Kilkenny Cat
Pochetinno inherited a "mess" that still managed to finish in a European spot las season - a spot we are not looking likely on improving without the "mess" as you call it.

You talk of a "process", and the excuse at the start of the season was that we didn't possess the players necessary to play the Poch way. Well that suggestion has been completely nullified now hasn't it? At the start of the season, if you asked any team what team to pick etc the majority would settle on what he is picking now - with the odd difference here and there. I don't think it should have taken him six months to arrive at the same conclusion.

I don't necessarily disagree with it, that is not what I meant. I am just happy that the above excuse can not be used if he is playing the same team week in week out.

I would like Davies to be used in certain games when we require a defender to simply defend, whilst all our wingers are much of a muchness and in fairness to Poch he has at least given them all a good consistent run in the team to showcase what they can do. The rest pretty much picks itself, although only recently has Poch accepted that Eriksen has to play centrally. Again, why did it take so long for him to work that out?

Some will call it controversial, but I would like to see somebody come in for Verts at the back. I am not sure if he needs a rest, or maybe he just isn't as good as people make out (more likely imo)... but in terms of a consistent starters, he has been our worst this season by a long, long way.

 

[eViL]

Yeah, good job Davies was marking Siggy when he hit that volley on 89 minutes eh?