Tottenham Vs Leicester City: Match Thread

Sweetsman · Mar 21, 2015

jezz said:
Got any stats on Lamela?
He does not give the ball away 50% at all, that's bs.
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/30/Show/England-Tottenham
Above are our player stats, I suggest you try reading them.

Lamela tries to make the dissecting pass and to run at defenders. I think he gets dispossessed, because people aren't making runs off the ball and so he looks around for options. Kane is an exception, but then that's very predictable for defences. Once Lamela draws players towards him, he should be able to pass to someone who can put it over the advancing defence. That way we get behind these congested defences.

stemark44 · Mar 21, 2015

jezz said:
Get a grip mate, I know your a bit outlandish at times, but now your taking the piss
Try reading the stats here
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/30/Show/England-Tottenham
edit Taraabt didn't flourish in Italy he's back at QPR.

I think that was only because they couldn't afford his wages.

The Morocco international spent the second half of last season on loan at AC Milan and impressed in Serie A.
He wanted to make the move permanent in the summer but QPR scared them off after putting a £6million price tag on his head.

Rangers want to get Taarabt, who is currently on £65,000-a-week, off their wage bill and the midfielder is prepared to do anything to get out of Loftus Road.

scottlag10 · Mar 21, 2015

davidmatzdorf said:
The longer I watch this team, the more convinced I become that our defensive difficulties are a direct result of the way we play, the 'philosophy', and are less to do with individual inadequacies. We give away daft goals, usually 2 in every game, and many of them result more from collective defensive chaos than from individual errors.

Today we persisted with an extremely high line (at one point, we had all 10 outfield players in Leicester's half) and fullbacks in advanced positions, despite playing against opponents who are notably faster than we are and despite having lost our exceptionally quick goalkeeper at the start of the match. Those were the direct reasons why we kept getting caught on the break, not just in the sense of having our offside trap beaten, but in the sense of repeatedly having to defend in a panicky, chaotic manner, because all of the defenders are having to race back into position, facing the wrong way, as soon as the opposition gets the ball.

Also, the high number of very short passes that we play in midfield means that stray passes are more likely in vulnerable situations, where speedy opponents can race through our defence before it is set.

Even at set pieces, our defence rarely looks 'set'. If there is one thing that Pochettino should work on sorting out this summer, it's how we play in the transition - not the one where we win the ball, the one where we lose it. We have to get our defence organised in half as much time and with much greater reliability.

The alternative is that we just reconcile ourselves to conceding 2 goals in every match and try to outscore the opposition. We've done that effectively many times this season, including today, but it's not a recipe for a top 4 finish.

This isn't an issue that can be solved by buying different defenders. They'd just duplicate the problems we have now and we'd have people here talking about how we 'ruin defenders'. We already have plenty of defenders who are good enough to concede half as many goals as we do. Pochettino just has to figure out how to get them to play as an organised unit, without compromising our attacking 'philosophy'. Another year of experience of Premiership football for players such as Dier and Fazio should help.

Is it lack of Leadership (ie not being told to f...ing defend) or our style of play that makes Kyle Walker not stay goal side of the player he is supposed to be bloody marking?

Gaz_Gammon · Mar 21, 2015

davidmatzdorf said:
It doesn't surprise me at all that Pochettino has stopped rotating the players as soon as we were out of the cups. He's had a clear idea of his preferred starting 11 for some time and now that we're playing once a week or less, he's going to use it whenever everyone is fit.

We weren't outplayed by Leicester, that's ridiculous. It was a highly entertaining game largely as a result of two teams competing to see who could defend less competently and Leicester defended even worse than we did. We had 71% of the possession in the first half and controlled the tempo of the game, but as usual our defence is incapable of responding and regrouping rapidly when put under sudden pressure.

The longer I watch this team, the more convinced I become that our defensive difficulties are a direct result of the way we play, the 'philosophy', and are less to do with individual inadequacies. We give away daft goals, usually 2 in every game, and many of them result more from collective defensive chaos than from individual errors.

Today we persisted with an extremely high line (at one point, we had all 10 outfield players in Leicester's half) and fullbacks in advanced positions, despite playing against opponents who are notably faster than we are and despite having lost our exceptionally quick goalkeeper at the start of the match. Those were the direct reasons why we kept getting caught on the break, not just in the sense of having our offside trap beaten, but in the sense of repeatedly having to defend in a panicky, chaotic manner, because all of the defenders are having to race back into position, facing the wrong way, as soon as the opposition gets the ball.

Also, the high number of very short passes that we play in midfield means that stray passes are more likely in vulnerable situations, where speedy opponents can race through our defence before it is set.

Even at set pieces, our defence rarely looks 'set'. If there is one thing that Pochettino should work on sorting out this summer, it's how we play in the transition - not the one where we win the ball, the one where we lose it. We have to get our defence organised in half as much time and with much greater reliability.

The alternative is that we just reconcile ourselves to conceding 2 goals in every match and try to outscore the opposition. We've done that effectively many times this season, including today, but it's not a recipe for a top 4 finish.

This isn't an issue that can be solved by buying different defenders. They'd just duplicate the problems we have now and we'd have people here talking about how we 'ruin defenders'. We already have plenty of defenders who are good enough to concede half as many goals as we do. Pochettino just has to figure out how to get them to play as an organised unit, without compromising our attacking 'philosophy'. Another year of experience of Premiership football for players such as Dier and Fazio should help.

David,

Our defence is suicidal.

There is no other word for it. We are conceding more goals as the weeks go by, no improvement, no unlucky bounces, just plain poor defending. To concede eighteen goals in just ten games is unjustifiable whoever the players Poch has at hi disposal. Pardew, Pulis and even Sherwood has stopped the bleeding at their respective clubs with existing personnel.

How some people can write on here that the players are not Poch's preferred players, or he needs a season or two to sort it out is way beyond comprehension and is plain crap. Week after week Walker gets turned inside out (three times today) and Rose gets beaten down either side. It's as though Poch is oblivious to what is going on, incapable of stemming the flow or cannot be tactically aware of how to improve things, but at the end of the day his two predecessors did a better job of getting the same defenders to defend.

For the bottom placed club to come from two goals down to level in our own house is poor, for them to put three past us at home is a fucking disgrace.

jezz · Mar 21, 2015

stemark44 said:
I think that was only because they couldn't afford his wages.

The Morocco international spent the second half of last season on loan at AC Milan and impressed in Serie A.
He wanted to make the move permanent in the summer but QPR scared them off after putting a £6million price tag on his head.

Rangers want to get Taarabt, who is currently on £65,000-a-week, off their wage bill and the midfielder is prepared to do anything to get out of Loftus Road.

6 million for an impressive player, sounds cheap to me.

Mr Pink · Mar 21, 2015

dondo said:
It's got to be a good mix, you can't have a guy who gives the ball away 50% of the time because he has good work rate and occasionally plays a good through ball.
I'm not completely against lamela, he has obvious potential but he's not showing much of it yet.
For me it's eriksen and dembele and one of chadli / Townsend/ lamela in the 3 behind Kane

Well yes, but you arn't going to tell me that Townsend's overall contribution is better than Lamela's. That's just absurd.

YiddoTom90 · Mar 21, 2015

stemark44 said:
If the likes of Adel Taraabt and Lamela can flourish in Italy then AndrosTownsend would be a superstar there.

what exactly does townsend do besides running into opposition players 90% of the time, he cant cross and I think the spurs cockerel has suffered enough damage from townsends sky high shooting ability

225 · Mar 21, 2015

Dinghy said:
According to the OP only 1 player that has come through from the academy this year (granted Rose after a couple of years is now deemed worthy) so why do you think that 5 (+ 2 others) will be good enough next year?

Because they appear to, and say, that they love the club. That, along with their respective ages, means that they will be more than worth of being squad members until we can be sure that they are unworthy of being in the team.

Bentaleb is for keeps, no doubt about it. Mason is a good option, just doesn't look like he's worth of a starting place, same with Townsend. We've got a good young squad that have potential, it's the hanger-on'ers that are doing the damage

shelfboy68 · Mar 21, 2015

Sweetsman said:
I think that as he has made changes only recently, they tend to fall back to what they were used to. Young players aren't consistent usually, so it's not unexpected that Bentaleb and Mason have dipped in the last two games in terms of performance. Experience does count for something, which was evident when Paulinho came on. He did the dirty work well and we became less porous through the middle.
Excellent post, by the way!

Yeah we will be alright eventually least we won today on me birthday now i can get pissed lol

JAYSTAR · Mar 21, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
David,

Our defence is suicidal.

There is no other word for it. We are conceding more goals as the weeks go by, no improvement, no unlucky bounces, just plain poor defending. To concede eighteen goals in just ten games is unjustifiable whoever the players Poch has at hi disposal. Pardew, Pulis and even Sherwood has stopped the bleeding at their respective clubs with existing personnel.

How some people can write on here that the players are not Poch's preferred players, or he needs a season or two to sort it out is way beyond comprehension and is plain crap. Week after week Walker gets turned inside out (three times today) and Rose gets beaten down either side. It's as though Poch is oblivious to what is going on, incapable of stemming the flow or cannot be tactically aware of how to improve things, but at the end of the day his two predecessors did a better job of getting the same defenders to defend.

For the bottom placed club to come from two goals down to level in our own house is poor, for them to put three past us at home is a fucking disgrace.

Can't remember if you saw my earlier post, but we are in complete agreement. I like Poch, but I am worried he's another AVB, desperate to prove 'his' philosophy. In the pl it's all about being able to adapt 'in game'. Much as I detest his arrogance, Mourinho has no such concerns about proving his philosophy and will play whichever way gets his team the win. We need to be willing to compromise and find a balance between quick tempo glory football and closing out matches, parking the bus being a bit boring. The best teams are willing to. Failing that just kick everything up the pitch or into row z if we have to and relieve pressure rather than play a high line and invite anyone who's willing to run in behind and have a free shot!

225 · Mar 21, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
18 goals conceded in 10 games. Hackney Marshes standard. And that's being a bit cruel to those drunken bums who turn out on a Sunday with a laced pig skin.

I don't doubt it. Tbh, Vertonghen is probably another constant in our declining defence - he always seems to be looking for rewards larger than his abilities and performances.

THFCSPURS19 · Mar 21, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Agreed, what does that tell you when Poch prefers Townsend in front of the Golden Child?

Lamela's started more games than Townsend.

Mr Pink · Mar 21, 2015

shelfboy68 said:
Yeah we will be alright eventually least we won today on me birthday now i can get pissed lol

my birthday on Thursday lol. Happy birthday mate!

THFCSPURS19 · Mar 21, 2015

Mr Pink said:
my birthday on Thursday lol. Happy birthday mate!

I won't forget, like some people :whistle:

Sweetsman · Mar 21, 2015

JAYSTAR said:
Can't remember if you saw my earlier post, but we are in complete agreement. I like Poch, but I am worried he's another AVB, desperate to prove 'his' philosophy. In the pl it's all about being able to adapt 'in game'. Much as I detest his arrogance, Mourinho has no such concerns about proving his philosophy and will play whichever way gets his team the win. We need to be willing to compromise and find a balance between quick tempo glory football and closing out matches, parking the bus being a bit boring. The best teams are willing to. Failing that just kick everything up the pitch or into row z if we have to and relieve pressure rather than play a high line and invite anyone who's willing to run in behind and have a free shot!

Well, Mourinho did have a philosophy, which was the template that Abramovich hated. Now, he has earned the right to do as he pleases without anyone questioning him. Poch doesn't have that luxury and is merely trying to establish his own style; as did AVB and Sherwood before him. That's why I think Rodgers has been so impressive in the way he has adapted his tactics.

dondo · Mar 21, 2015

jezz said:
Got any stats on Lamela?
He does not give the ball away 50% at all, that's bs.
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/30/Show/England-Tottenham
Above are our player stats, I suggest you try reading them.

I prefer watching the matches with my eyes. His passing may not give the ball away 50% of the time but when the ball gets passed into him I would say he either takes too long on it and gets bullied out off the ball or runs into someone a lot of the time but they don't show up on your precious passing stats do they?

1882andallthat · Mar 21, 2015

Imagine a team sheet without Kane and Lloris on it.....as we all know with our shit luck Kane will get injured on international duty....with such a well organised defence and devastating forward line minus HK ( he says on both fronts tounge in cheek)..... will they be putting blindfolds on the seats for every Spurs fan attending the game (or worse still more than one game!!!!) because at this moment in time such a possibility just doesn't bear thinking about.......

samsonlevi · Mar 21, 2015

Just read through some of the pages in here and I have to say:

SOME OF YOU ARE EMBARRISING WITH YOUR CHILD LIKE ATTITUDES!!

Man up and realise that we have a bloody young team (which is improving) but as a result it will bring inconsistencies. Get behind the manager and more importantly the team!!

I read some comments suggesting we should sack our manager!! You people are the reason we (unlike united and arsenal) have never had an actual manager last here!!

Support the team and realise that our manager knows more than us all, he sees the players every day(well almost) and we see them for 90 mins and we think we know more about each of them then he and his staff do!! Do me a favour and get another hobby if you honestly think this!!

3 wins in last 4 and your moaning like kids!!

dondo · Mar 21, 2015

Mr Pink said:
Well yes, but you arn't going to tell me that Townsend's overall contribution is better than Lamela's. That's just absurd.

No I wouldn't and if you read my previous posts I said it was a toss up between the 2 and frankly neither are good enough for us unless they drastically improve

Mr Pink · Mar 21, 2015

dondo said:
No I wouldn't and if you read my previous posts I said it was a toss up between the 2 and frankly neither are good enough for us unless they drastically improve

But it ain't a toss up. Townsend is more of a problem to our dynamic than Lamela was, that's the point - if you read my original post.

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