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goughie1966

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If Saints asking price for Schneiderlin is in the 30 million region then that is certainly not crazy money in this day and age. Given the paucity of central midfield talent I would say that's actually a decent price for a top quality one. If we can afford to pay the asking price we should just pay it, rather than wait till he goes to Man Utd and then sign only average players instead.
He'll want big wages too. Are we going to pay that on top of a £30m fee? If Utd or Arsenal come in for him it's all over for us. They can offer bigger transfer fee, bigger wages and CL.
 

Breezer

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Would be just our luck if Townsend moves to Villa, adjusts his shooting boots by a degree or two and then starts banging goals in for Timmy:(
Who cares!? Aston Villa is his level.

As long as we receive a good amount I'll be happy to see him move on.
 

DaSpurs

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Townsend is going to be one of those players, similar to Siggy, where if he goes and gets a good run of form, some are going to wonder why we let him go.

But we have seen enough of him to know he is better off going with Tim. Hope it is true for all three parties.

Is a good analogy in truth. Both are decent players, they're just players who don't work in condensed and collapsed systems (although Siggy is certainly more technically gifted). Townsend is the antithesis of a player compatible with a high line, possession-oriented side lacking in pace.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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I think if Townsend leaves, he will do exceptionally well for his new club, prompting many of the fans to complain about how we sold him, but I still won't regret it. If he had improved this year, I probably would be against the transfer, but he seems to be playing the exact same as last season, if not worse.
You seem to completely ignore the possibility that he isn't being played in a system or position that suits him. Against almost all of SC I think Andros is a talent that is being wasted at Spurs.
 

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You seem to completely ignore the possibility that he isn't being played in a system or position that suits him. Against almost all of SC I think Andros is a talent that is being wasted at Spurs.
Well we aren't changing the system anytime soon so we best get players that fit it and sell those who don't.

Positive itk about him leaving, I think it's time (y)
 

DaSpurs

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I hope it's only a loan to Villa...

I'm going to agree on the premise that I think there's a player in there, but

Well we aren't changing the system anytime soon so we best get players that fit it and sell those who don't.

this is simple truth, despite the fact I like the player and think he's been unlucky to come through at Spurs in a time when we've had managers who have advocated systems not suited to him.
 

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You seem to completely ignore the possibility that he isn't being played in a system or position that suits him. Against almost all of SC I think Andros is a talent that is being wasted at Spurs.

Completely agree. This is a guy who beat Gigi Buffon far netting from his weak foot in Buffon's own house. There's a player in there, he's just been very unlucky and seems to have really struggled for confidence at Spurs in these systems not suited to him.

I think Villa is a healthy move for him. Not keen to see him go on a personal basis, but objectively it's good business for all parties involved and I think he'll be a decent player for them.
 

PrettyColors

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Andros is a good player, with potential. He can be very good at times - direct, fast, and puts the defense on the back foot. Unfortunately, he does this very inconsistently and rarely works well for our side.

I have no doubt that Dembele, Eriksen, and even Lamela would look better playing for other teams - our attacking play is genuinely the most boring in the top half and by far the slowest. We don't utilize any of our attacking players that well, except for maybe Kane (but remember how many games he was starved of service?)

Put it this way, who would have been disappointed if we had sold him to Southampton and gotten Schneiderlin last summer? Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to get what you need.
 

Chris12

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Completely agree. This is a guy who beat Gigi Buffon far netting from his weak foot in Buffon's own house. There's a player in there, he's just been very unlucky and seems to have really struggled for confidence at Spurs in these systems not suited to him.

I think Villa is a healthy move for him. Not keen to see him go on a personal basis, but objectively it's good business for all parties involved and I think he'll be a decent player for them.
TBF his right foot does seem better at shooting than his left foot. Even though left-footed. Stupid, I know.
 

npearl4spurs

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Either way, he is down the line on the transfer block and should only go for a good fee. Agree that he shows too many flashes, unfortunately more for England than us, that he could eventually do something so shouldn't be sold unless good offer and other business done first.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Well we aren't changing the system anytime soon so we best get players that fit it and sell those who don't.

Positive itk about him leaving, I think it's time (y)
I don't disagree but I really dislike the tone by SCers when it comes to a player who is one of our own, tries hard every time he pulls on the shirt and doesn't lack skill. He may not fit our system and so should move on but he deserves more respect and affection than he gets on here.
 

Spurger King

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TBF his right foot does seem better at shooting than his left foot. Even though left-footed. Stupid, I know.

I think that's because he has less control over his right foot, which hampers his natural instinct to smash the ball into the car park.
 

DaSpurs

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TBF his right foot does seem better at shooting than his left foot. Even though left-footed. Stupid, I know.

You're absolutely right, hence part of why I'd have liked to have seen him given a chance on the left before selling him. I really wish Poch would've ran with the momentum of Townsend's goal in Turin and tried him out on the left at least for a stint, and played Lamela on the right. Would have been a great opportunity to have given him a chance. If it didn't work out, all the more justification to sell if a good offer were to come in in the summer.
 

THFCSPURS19

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You seem to completely ignore the possibility that he isn't being played in a system or position that suits him. Against almost all of SC I think Andros is a talent that is being wasted at Spurs.
I said he will do well at any other club, so he is clearly a talent.

Saying that, we shouldn't change our system to suit Townsend. Absolutely no way. To be perfectly honest, if he did more defensive work and pressed better, he would fit the system. If that's not the way he wants to play, then he'll get sold.
 

DaSpurs

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I said he will do well at any other club, so he is clearly a talent.

Saying that, we shouldn't change our system to suit Townsend. Absolutely no way. To be perfectly honest, if he did more defensive work and pressed better, he would fit the system. If that's not the way he wants to play, then he'll get sold.

His lack of defensive contribution is only a component to why he doesn't fit the system. More importantly, he's a direct and pacey type and not particularly technical. This makes him struggle very much in the condensed and collapsed system we play, especially since we have no pace elsewhere to open up gaps and we simply don't counterattack due to both a lack of pace and a true central playmaker.
 

THFCSPURS19

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His lack of defensive contribution is only a component to why he doesn't fit the system. More importantly, he's a direct and pacey type and not particularly technical. This makes him struggle very much in the condensed and collapsed system we play, especially since we have no pace elsewhere to open up gaps and we simply don't counterattack due to both a lack of pace and a true central playmaker.
I do recall Southampton fans saying that Pochettino wouldn't be keen on Townsend because he doesn't like the pacey and direct players- it seems like they were right.
 

markiespurs

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If only Townsend could replicate the form he shows for England on a weekly basis for us.
 
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