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Nitrous oxide?
Manchester United Vs Tottenham: Match Thread
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Nitrous oxide?
Doctor Dinkey
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That's what pre-season is for.
I think the calm consideration of the game that you are attempting is way over the heads of some of paeons here. Diese Mensch sind sehr dumm!
Does he spend time with Raheem "sho-me-da-munnayy" Sterling?
Spurger King
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Sweech
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So you would rather we played well all season and lose all our matches. Me I'd rather we played like shit today and won 1-0.
Gbspurs
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VDV would still have shown more balls playing that central role, maybe Eriksen just don't have the bottle for it.
He probably would be better playing on left side and for us to get someone pacey and direct on the right (like Salvio...). I'm pretty sure for Ajax he was more left side (although could be wrong) so could be we're just not utilising him properly.
Then either Dembele or maybe Lamela can be given a shot centrally.
Maybe, but then VDV had Sandro to shield, Lennon and Bale overlapping and Modric bringing it all together. We need something a bit different to get the best out of Eriksen not just people standing around him stationary.
He is a clever player, he works hard and his end product is usually quite good but the players around him don't help him one bit imo.
Sweech
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Don't think you clued in at all to what I'm saying.
I'll make it easy for you.
If we play like that all season we'll win a whole lot more than we'll lose.
DaSpurs
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You're right, Townsend will not solve all of our problems, but that wasn't the point. The point was that I would have massively preferred him to Dembele today, and I think that's reasonable as Dembele contributing literally, unequivocally, and undeniably nothing to the match today. Townsend may not have even made the difference, but he'd have contributed something, as our attack was incredibly static and slow today.
It isn't always about who is better for each position. If that were the case, any 12 year old capable of playing FIFA could do a manager's job. The key is to address weaknesses and make a team as compatible as possible, and with Chadli and Dembele on our flanks with Eriksen through the middle, we shot our chances in the foot before we even left the stalls.
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Sweech
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Dembele was a solid defensive presence and one of the reasons we stifled Man U the way we did. He's also good at retaining possession.
Townsend conversely is a total non-factor defensively and poor for possession as he'll either run into a wall of defenders or shoot from impossible angles into the stands.
SteveH
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Chadli got in a couple good positions but got it all wrong. I still like Dembele in the team but we need proper players like Dembele not just those who try like Lemala, Townsend and sadly Lennon is not interested in Spurs
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The usual wide collection of awful to good comments in here today.
Given we are missing some vital components ie pace and a CM, I thought we did well today and can take positives out of the game...
Our possession/ball retention for the first 20 odd mins up to the goal was excellent apart from 1-2 misplaced passes.
Game of small margins. Kane put in Eriksen with a lovely chipped pass, what if he had buried it instead of missing by inches ?
We were rattled after the goal which was to be expected but at least as much of this passage of play was due to Utd actually playing better.
Back 5 were all very good today and is a good sign going forward. To limit Utd to 1 shot on target at Old Trafford is to be applauded no matter how poor it is perceived that Utd played. We at least had a hand in them doing so. Alderweireld and Walker were both excellent I felt.
'' why did we wait until the 85th minute to start playing like that?''
Find those kind of comments a bit funny tbh. The reverse one is when we are 1 goal up and we get 'why did we start flapping about with 5 mins to go ?'
The crowd get antsy, the players begin to get a little antsy and slowly and subconsciously start retreating a little deeper. When that time came today with Utd, I thought we did a good job of making the last 5-10 mins pretty uncomfortable for them. If the ball had rolled a slightly different way once out of about 3-4 moments we could have been looking at 1-1.
Conclusion - we are clearly short on pace and a bigger CM presence and need to sort that. Given this isn't the manager or players fault, I thought we acquitted ourselves well today and tbh we should be the happier set of fans if you look beyond the score line.
Lastly, Hugo is so good I'd have fancied him to get a sneaky hand on Walkers unlucky stab into the goal.
Given we are missing some vital components ie pace and a CM, I thought we did well today and can take positives out of the game...
Our possession/ball retention for the first 20 odd mins up to the goal was excellent apart from 1-2 misplaced passes.
Game of small margins. Kane put in Eriksen with a lovely chipped pass, what if he had buried it instead of missing by inches ?
We were rattled after the goal which was to be expected but at least as much of this passage of play was due to Utd actually playing better.
Back 5 were all very good today and is a good sign going forward. To limit Utd to 1 shot on target at Old Trafford is to be applauded no matter how poor it is perceived that Utd played. We at least had a hand in them doing so. Alderweireld and Walker were both excellent I felt.
'' why did we wait until the 85th minute to start playing like that?''
Find those kind of comments a bit funny tbh. The reverse one is when we are 1 goal up and we get 'why did we start flapping about with 5 mins to go ?'
The crowd get antsy, the players begin to get a little antsy and slowly and subconsciously start retreating a little deeper. When that time came today with Utd, I thought we did a good job of making the last 5-10 mins pretty uncomfortable for them. If the ball had rolled a slightly different way once out of about 3-4 moments we could have been looking at 1-1.
Conclusion - we are clearly short on pace and a bigger CM presence and need to sort that. Given this isn't the manager or players fault, I thought we acquitted ourselves well today and tbh we should be the happier set of fans if you look beyond the score line.
Lastly, Hugo is so good I'd have fancied him to get a sneaky hand on Walkers unlucky stab into the goal.
knowlespurs
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Why, we created pretty much zilch
Can't see where the goals are going to come from
HailKingLevy
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Watching the chelscum game and Shelvey would fit our team.
DaSpurs
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Dembele was hardly a solid defensive presence. Young saw far too much of the ball throughout, and made Walker's job difficult. I can't even recall off the top of my head if Dembele ever made a tackle.
More importantly, he did nothing for the attack. He is without doubt the slowest winger to have played or will play on this matchday. He does nothing to provide creativity, disorganization for defenses, or even pull his fullback out of position whatsoever. He is a filler there in that role, no more and no less. It is absurd for a club of our size to be playing a filler in any position, let alone to be playing with such an unbalanced squad as a result of it.
The rest about Townsend is very cliche, and largely incorrect after last season. Townsend didn't even shoot half as many times per minute as he did the previous season, so the fallacy "all he does is shoot into row z" implicitly reveals old reaction to previous mistakes rather than an objective stance. What we really needed was more forward thrust in general in this game, and Dembele did none of that. Dembele also lost the ball so many times on the flank as was, it would have been extremely difficult for Townsend or anyone to have exposed that side of the back line any more than Dembele did. Man U had a fuckin field day countering down that wing after how many times Dembele lost the ball.
lukadownthelane
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Poch said he wanted to find Dembele's best position. I think it's clear it's not on the wing......
DaSpurs
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Dembele is a wonderful footballer, but it produces absolutely nothing. He learned the game on a futsal court with no goals, and that is so incredibly and blatantly evident that it baffles me he's still even tried in attacking positions. Such a smooth and gifted player, but it amounts to nothing because he has no sense of the goal and how to play his teammates toward it. He possesses flash and is a brute, and it suckers people into the belief he possesses efficiency, when that is just not the case. He is a niche player, a player who works brilliantly in certain scenarios (see Spurs v Chelsea 1/01/15), but a filler in an attacking position he should not be.
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