The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September 2015 DEADLINE DAY!

Gb160 · Sep 1, 2015

Supersi32 said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Poch genuinely said to Levy its Berahino or no one,

The whole Poch/Saido love story article in the week backs this up 100%

Breezer · Sep 1, 2015

ross the saint said:
Like I said, I have faith that we had targets and options, which for one reason or another didn't work out. None of us know whether there were plans B, C or D, ITK suggested there were. I'm disappointed but confident that Levy didn't do this on purpose.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 1, 2015

bomberH said:
Jesus how long? If you're still reading you're obviously bored.

TBF this was the only line I read………

But i'm sure you've done yourself a disservice and it was a stonking post.

whitelanefever · Sep 1, 2015

Lou3000 said:
I believe he signed his first contract in 2012 and a contract extension in December of 2013. I'm not sure how that would work. Can he buy out in December 2016 (3 years from 2013) or could he buy out in December 2015 (3 years from 2012).

It would solidify Daniel Levy as a God if he was able to wrangle Berahino away in January for just a few million because of the contract.

It's 3 years since last contract was signed so Dec 2016

mill · Sep 1, 2015

ross the saint said:
Like I said, I have faith that we had targets and options, which for one reason or another didn't work out. None of us know whether there were plans B, C or D, ITK suggested there were. I'm disappointed but confident that Levy didn't do this on purpose.

Just through incompetence?

srups34 · Sep 1, 2015

The fact that we were still actively looking a DM and Striker on the last day of the window tells its own story. We can paper over the cracks as much as we like but we have come up short again.

Jamturk · Sep 1, 2015

CanberraSpur said:
Yep it's the fault of the coach. Not even a manager any more, a coach. I bet he has a lot of say in transfers.

You say fault, why not desire?

rocklink · Sep 1, 2015

Drexl said:
I emailed Donna Cullen my thoughts on the transfer window just after 6 (no threats or abuse) and she replied within 15 mins, credit where credit is due as she must have been swamped with messages, she towed the party line and positive spin and all that but ffs we have to make the most of the Jan window!

what did she say ??

Shadydan · Sep 1, 2015

bomberH said:
Just something I've been thinking. I know several Spurs fans that know their football but don't do the whole online thing and aren't registered to any forums. I've spoken to 5 of them today in a mini experiment type thing and every single one is at least ok and at most very happy with our window. They've basically between them said that Trippier, Alli, Wimmer, Alderweireld, N'jie and Son makes for a really good window. They would've liked a striker but are generally ok due to Son & N'jie as back up and only one of them was angry at the failure to sign a DM. They're normal fans. Most hadn't heard of Wimmer for instance but generally know what they're talking about.

I think my point is that if there was no internet and no reminder every other minute that we're after Witsel or Wanyama or Martinez or Illaremendi or Berahino or Pato or all the other players on the transfer rumours forum, then people would be much less angry at the result of our business. Sure they'd be gutted but nowhere near as angry. Some people take the ITK thread far too literally and as we all know, what was the case one minute might change the next. If people weren't aware what was happening that first minute then they can't get angry at the next when nothing comes of it. As much fun as the ITK thread is, and it is, it doesn't half bring out the worst in people. The Internet era has changed people's patience. For example, in the whole scheme of things, the Illaremendi rumours lasted around a week, maybe 10 days before he signed for Sociedad but because of the Internet, people were constantly talking about him every minutes of every day so it felt like we'd been after him for years and it made it worse when we didn't get him.

While I'm yapping on and on I might as well get this thought in too; I personally completely understand how ITK works and that things can change quickly. My 'advice' to the ITK's is that if you add the terms 'my source believes/states' and 'as of this moment' then that would go down better with lots of posters. So a comment like 'Berahino is pretty much done' could be changed to 'my source believes that as of this moment, Berahino is pretty much done'. That way the ITK doesn't come across as any kind of know it all (not that they do now) and even the most anti ITK poster will understand that the ITK is just passing on info in good faith and not declaring themselves to be the daddy. This should be obvious anyway but not all posters understand this..... This is absolutely not a dig at ITK's, especially our ones. They've been beautiful.

Back to the window, I'm writing this season off in terms of top 4 but I think we'll use lots of youth over the season and that can only be good for next season. If Poch really wants Berahino that much, I'd rather he waits for him next season than get someone in for the sake of it and not play them much anyway (like Stambouli & Fazio). Saying that, I'm very disappointed we didn't get a striker & think we're an injury to Kane away from having a 'mare but am excited to see how Son & Clinton work out. And I really fucking love Dier so I'm glad he'll get more game time. I'd play him up front if it meant him being on the pitch. Future captain for me.

It's been disappointing but it's not a disaster. And striker/DM aside, it's been a pretty decent window. I'm 50/50 re Levy. There's no doubt he's done some amazing things for us but he's also fucked up too. I'm ready for a sugar daddy City style to take us to the next level. I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years and now I want to see us compete properly and regularly. I'd very much prefer to do all this under Levy but I can't see that being possible due to the limitless spending by City, Chelsea & now Utd.

Jesus how long? If you're still reading you're obviously bored.

Superb post Bomber.

kitchen · Sep 1, 2015

Archibald&Crooks said:
From the BBC

Spurs’ failure to sign another striker or an experienced midfielder signals a deplorable lack of ambition that could stifle the development of a young squad full of potential and leaves us vulnerable to competitors. The right men in these two positions could make a significant difference but chairman Daniel Levy, the so-called shrewd negotiator, catastrophically misjudged a market flush with TV cash. Teams no longer have to cave in because they just don’t need the money. Another window, yet another missed opportunity. Today’s desperate Berahino or bust shambles obscures concerns that Spurs’ overhaul of scouting and recruitment failed to find alternatives. The club site’s pathetic attempt to solve the problem by reclassifying Heung-Min Son as a striker did not play well with frustrated and furious fans. Now let’s get behind the team. COYS

Alan Fisher
Tottenham On My Mind

This is the big concern for me. Only the PL is flush with TV cash. If WBA or more importantly Peace were playing hardball, there must have been other options at overseas clubs that do still need the money. WBA issued the statement that Berahino wasn't for sale a long time ago, and therefore we knew that Peace probably wanted more money for Berahino than we believed he was worth. Berahino isn't the only decent young striker in the world and at that point we still had time to look at plan B.

I think the quoted bid of £22.5m was reasonable, more would have been extravagant. But did we really need to piss off Peace and try and pay in instalments as quoted, particularly if we really had a supposed £40m overdraft in place?

markiespurs · Sep 1, 2015

Gb160 said:
The whole Poch/Saido love story article in the week backs this up 100%

"But it’s like when you are in love with some lady – there are a lot of women around the world but you want only one"

Certainly sounds like it was SB or go with what we have for Poch

Mr Pink · Sep 1, 2015

Archibald&Crooks said:
From the BBC

Spurs’ failure to sign another striker or an experienced midfielder signals a deplorable lack of ambition that could stifle the development of a young squad full of potential and leaves us vulnerable to competitors. The right men in these two positions could make a significant difference but chairman Daniel Levy, the so-called shrewd negotiator, catastrophically misjudged a market flush with TV cash. Teams no longer have to cave in because they just don’t need the money. Another window, yet another missed opportunity. Today’s desperate Berahino or bust shambles obscures concerns that Spurs’ overhaul of scouting and recruitment failed to find alternatives. The club site’s pathetic attempt to solve the problem by reclassifying Heung-Min Son as a striker did not play well with frustrated and furious fans. Now let’s get behind the team. COYS

Alan Fisher
Tottenham On My Mind

I think most Tottenham fans feel like this at the moment and are entitled to vent a little frustration this evening.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 1, 2015

ross the saint said:
I'm disappointed but confident that Levy didn't do this on purpose.

What about the last time? Or the time before that? Or the time bef….

Rout-Ledge · Sep 1, 2015

nailsy said:
Would you prefer it if we only targeted players that mid-table teams would look at? Players that United, Chelsea, Arsenal, or Liverpool wouldn't go near? The best way for us to progress is to try and buy talented youngsters who are ready for first team football. It's not the scouting system that is at fault it's the way we bid for players.

I'm not saying don't go for players like Martial. I'm saying the scouting network didn't identify him. He's a big name, and he went for a colossal transfer fee.

It's like when we tried to sign Aguero. And Mata. And Hazard. And Depay. Nice ideas. They simply never, ever, ever happen though.

Son and N'jie could turn out to be fantastic signings, I don't necessarily think our scouts are useless. The point is that we shouldn't be left as short as we are at this point. Players in key positions should have been identified and secured earlier on. I don't know whether that's the scouts fault, the chairman's fault or Poch's fault. We can only guess.

Poch might say he's only interested in Berahino, and we probably should have done more to make that happen. I personally think making quick-fire no hope bids on the last day for an only choice target is risible.

As with Schneiderlin last year. sometimes you have to take a plunge on a big price tag. Otherwise you'll miss out when a more attractive club is in for them the following year. When a player you really want wants to join you, then you should probably take advantage of that situation. If t doesn't work out then you're landed with a £12m player for £25m. We've spunked more than that up the wall on averege players over the past few years.

ravo · Sep 1, 2015

jeremystorey said:
screw it. if ade stays, ade plays. just not in the PL. his job will be to play in Europa and other meaningless cup games. harry is saved for PL

Yep, Ade or Chadli up front in cup games. Not Harry.

Lou3000 · Sep 1, 2015

whitelanefever said:
It's 3 years since last contract was signed so Dec 2016

That's still good news. If we're going back in for him in January, the fact that the contract buyout option is available in a year from January means his value will have already dropped. If we wait till summer he's basically got 6 months left.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 1, 2015

Mr Pink said:
I think most Tottenham fans feel like this at the moment and are entitled to vent a little frustration this evening.

I have to confess that I did have a bit of a rant earlier

Mr Pink · Sep 1, 2015

Drexl said:
I emailed Donna Cullen my thoughts on the transfer window just after 6 (no threats or abuse) and she replied within 15 mins, credit where credit is due as she must have been swamped with messages, she towed the party line and positive spin and all that but ffs we have to make the most of the Jan window!

You sent her a dirty message didn't you?

lukadownthelane · Sep 1, 2015

EnfieldYiddo said:
Also if we're so skint that we have to penny pinch, why didn't we pick up the likes of Ayew early in the window on a free?

There was value to be had this summer... We spent far too long chasing targets that at the end of the day, we just weren't willing to cough up for.

Levy all over.

THIS THIS THIS

Ayew & Cabaye would make things seem very different

Bulletspur · Sep 1, 2015

Archibald&Crooks said:
Once they fully mobilise, this will all pretty soon be turned around to an act of genius

Not by me, I officially disown him. There is so much mental abuse one can take. Genius my arse

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