The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September 2015 DEADLINE DAY!

mark87 · Sep 1, 2015

Just got in from working 13 hours and cannot be arsed to read the whole thread, have either JJ or Trix said anything post-transfer window?

Greenspur · Sep 1, 2015

Archibald&Crooks said:
Levy got Levy'd.

BSoP

WiganSpur · Sep 1, 2015

mpickard2087 said:
I'm happier with the thought of Chadli playing as the No.9 than I would be with Berahino there. Honestly. And I don't think Berahino is a bad player.

I disagree, however I am starting to think Chadli at 9 could be a blessing in disguise.

If he is coached properly to play there then it could work.

Spurger King · Sep 1, 2015

Twizzle said:
We had been hearing for a long time about all these plan Bs, Cs etc

It appears that was not the case.

Eggs and baskets.

Apparently when we were told (again) that "lessons have been learnt", the lesson was presumably: "Well that was a moronic way of addressing key deficiencies in the squad....let's do it again!!"

p_ashman · Sep 1, 2015

Guys it's not the low balling tactics or the lack of plan A ,B or C as a business you need to be aware of your direct and indirect competition and where possible keep ahead I
Even if doing well.

Looking at Stoke, Swansea, and Newcastle , they were not direct competition last season but I think we all agree they have now become our direct competitors in addition for 6th place at best this year. What an embarrassment to be a spurs fan Im afraid.

Remember effectively sold 2 strikers not replaced and sold 3-4 centre mids not one replacement. I sense Poch and senior players will be looking for the exit door at end of season.

Get ready for the season in transition both this season and 2016/17

plzsm · Sep 1, 2015

One of the reasons today seems a disappointment is we haven't actually seen N'Jie and Son play for us yet. Fast forward a few weeks and both them hit the ground running, playing on either side of Kane, banging them in we'll look back on this as a great window. Optimistic admittedly but shouldn't underestimate how good these two could and should turn out to be.

Lo Amo Speroni · Sep 1, 2015

It's a pity TDD has gone so badly as it detracts from what I believe has been ostensibly a good window. Time will tell I suppose.

KILLA_SIN · Sep 1, 2015

You got to roll with the punches.

And you never know not getting a DM may get Vejlkovic a call up to the first team in the Cups and EL. I have never seen him play but that guys here who follow our youth team rave about him and reckon he's ready.

Living Legend Colm G · Sep 1, 2015

bomberH said:
Just something I've been thinking. I know several Spurs fans that know their football but don't do the whole online thing and aren't registered to any forums. I've spoken to 5 of them today in a mini experiment type thing and every single one is at least ok and at most very happy with our window. They've basically between them said that Trippier, Alli, Wimmer, Alderweireld, N'jie and Son makes for a really good window. They would've liked a striker but are generally ok due to Son & N'jie as back up and only one of them was angry at the failure to sign a DM. They're normal fans. Most hadn't heard of Wimmer for instance but generally know what they're talking about.

I think my point is that if there was no internet and no reminder every other minute that we're after Witsel or Wanyama or Martinez or Illaremendi or Berahino or Pato or all the other players on the transfer rumours forum, then people would be much less angry at the result of our business. Sure they'd be gutted but nowhere near as angry. Some people take the ITK thread far too literally and as we all know, what was the case one minute might change the next. If people weren't aware what was happening that first minute then they can't get angry at the next when nothing comes of it. As much fun as the ITK thread is, and it is, it doesn't half bring out the worst in people. The Internet era has changed people's patience. For example, in the whole scheme of things, the Illaremendi rumours lasted around a week, maybe 10 days before he signed for Sociedad but because of the Internet, people were constantly talking about him every minutes of every day so it felt like we'd been after him for years and it made it worse when we didn't get him.

While I'm yapping on and on I might as well get this thought in too; I personally completely understand how ITK works and that things can change quickly. My 'advice' to the ITK's is that if you add the terms 'my source believes/states' and 'as of this moment' then that would go down better with lots of posters. So a comment like 'Berahino is pretty much done' could be changed to 'my source believes that as of this moment, Berahino is pretty much done'. That way the ITK doesn't come across as any kind of know it all (not that they do now) and even the most anti ITK poster will understand that the ITK is just passing on info in good faith and not declaring themselves to be the daddy. This should be obvious anyway but not all posters understand this..... This is absolutely not a dig at ITK's, especially our ones. They've been beautiful.

Back to the window, I'm writing this season off in terms of top 4 but I think we'll use lots of youth over the season and that can only be good for next season. If Poch really wants Berahino that much, I'd rather he waits for him next season than get someone in for the sake of it and not play them much anyway (like Stambouli & Fazio). Saying that, I'm very disappointed we didn't get a striker & think we're an injury to Kane away from having a 'mare but am excited to see how Son & Clinton work out. And I really fucking love Dier so I'm glad he'll get more game time. I'd play him up front if it meant him being on the pitch. Future captain for me.

It's been disappointing but it's not a disaster. And striker/DM aside, it's been a pretty decent window. I'm 50/50 re Levy. There's no doubt he's done some amazing things for us but he's also fucked up too. I'm ready for a sugar daddy City style to take us to the next level. I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years and now I want to see us compete properly and regularly. I'd very much prefer to do all this under Levy but I can't see that being possible due to the limitless spending by City, Chelsea & now Utd.

Jesus how long? If you're still reading you're obviously bored.

Can I say that bar the "Sugar Daddy" comment (I'm just not ready to go there yet!), this is the best post I've read anywhere for as long as I can remember.

I doth my cap sir.

THFCSPURS19 · Sep 1, 2015

Very interesting from the BBC, seems like it was literally down to Peace vs Levy in the end:

"Some at West Brom encouraged chairman Jeremy Peace to find an agreement with Spurs counterpart Daniel Levy, even within the final hour of the window, but Peace refused.

"It is also understood that at no point in this saga did Peace give Tottenham a price that might secure the player, hence the prolonged chase and multiple bids.

"There is serious concern at West Brom about the effect this will have dressing room morale, with Berahino not in a state of mind to play and not one of the more popular figures among team-mates.

nedley · Sep 1, 2015

plzsm said:
One of the reasons today seems a disappointment is we haven't actually seen N'Jie and Son play for us yet. Fast forward a few weeks and both them hit the ground running, playing on either side of Kane, banging them in we'll look back on this as a great window. Optimistic admittedly but shouldn't underestimate how good these two could and should turn out to be.

Hell of a risk to take.

Greenspur · Sep 1, 2015

Archibald&Crooks said:
The lot of you who are moaning about Levy need to fucking man up and have the strength of your convictions. More than once there's been a massive fallout against chrome dome when the window closes and you all give it large for a day or so then vanish leaving just a handful of hardy souls battling the BSoDL in the Levy thread in Spurs Chat. So just for once, get in there and give it some. And keep giving it some. And then carry on some more. Nothing will change until its realised that more and more people are turning. 5m plus add ons? ****.

Ahhhhhhhhhh! I feel better now.

I didn't mean any of it really

I, for one, will join.

steve · Sep 1, 2015

mpickard2087 said:
As I've said a few times on various threads now, I'm more concerned that we didn't sign a central midfielder. We have enough talent in the front four positions if you go through it, and work needs to be done to convert Chadli into playing the central role but he does have a lot of the attributes. We then have about 8 options in behind the striker to support them, plus Adebayor for 3rd choice/Europa League 'take up a spot and give others a rest duty' to tide us over to Xmas. Central midfield was more crucial, we need more brainpower and tactical awareness in there.

Agree with this. Can't say I'm fussed about not signing Berahino or Wanayama/McCarthy (all pretty average and overpriced for what they offer) for £40m plus but would've liked to have seen Witsel/someone similar come in and see Dier revert to what he does best. Chadli and Adebayor will have to step up now in cup games and we've shitloads of options for the 3 positions behind the striker. Guess we'll use Carroll and/or Milos in cup games at DM, I certainly hope so anyway.

lukadownthelane · Sep 1, 2015

Locotoro said:
If he is sacked his time at Spurs will be viewed in the same way as AVB - a failure.

I know this sounds ridiculous to all you doom and gloom mongerers but an alternative could be that he does the best he can with what he has (like every other manager) and tries to be successful.

Are we stronger than last season? Yes, we are!

We should be stronger, but we are much more exposed than last seasons if injuries occur

thebetamaxboy · Sep 1, 2015

bomberH said:
Just something I've been thinking. I know several Spurs fans that know their football but don't do the whole online thing and aren't registered to any forums. I've spoken to 5 of them today in a mini experiment type thing and every single one is at least ok and at most very happy with our window. They've basically between them said that Trippier, Alli, Wimmer, Alderweireld, N'jie and Son makes for a really good window. They would've liked a striker but are generally ok due to Son & N'jie as back up and only one of them was angry at the failure to sign a DM. They're normal fans. Most hadn't heard of Wimmer for instance but generally know what they're talking about.

I think my point is that if there was no internet and no reminder every other minute that we're after Witsel or Wanyama or Martinez or Illaremendi or Berahino or Pato or all the other players on the transfer rumours forum, then people would be much less angry at the result of our business. Sure they'd be gutted but nowhere near as angry. Some people take the ITK thread far too literally and as we all know, what was the case one minute might change the next. If people weren't aware what was happening that first minute then they can't get angry at the next when nothing comes of it. As much fun as the ITK thread is, and it is, it doesn't half bring out the worst in people. The Internet era has changed people's patience. For example, in the whole scheme of things, the Illaremendi rumours lasted around a week, maybe 10 days before he signed for Sociedad but because of the Internet, people were constantly talking about him every minutes of every day so it felt like we'd been after him for years and it made it worse when we didn't get him.

While I'm yapping on and on I might as well get this thought in too; I personally completely understand how ITK works and that things can change quickly. My 'advice' to the ITK's is that if you add the terms 'my source believes/states' and 'as of this moment' then that would go down better with lots of posters. So a comment like 'Berahino is pretty much done' could be changed to 'my source believes that as of this moment, Berahino is pretty much done'. That way the ITK doesn't come across as any kind of know it all (not that they do now) and even the most anti ITK poster will understand that the ITK is just passing on info in good faith and not declaring themselves to be the daddy. This should be obvious anyway but not all posters understand this..... This is absolutely not a dig at ITK's, especially our ones. They've been beautiful.

Back to the window, I'm writing this season off in terms of top 4 but I think we'll use lots of youth over the season and that can only be good for next season. If Poch really wants Berahino that much, I'd rather he waits for him next season than get someone in for the sake of it and not play them much anyway (like Stambouli & Fazio). Saying that, I'm very disappointed we didn't get a striker & think we're an injury to Kane away from having a 'mare but am excited to see how Son & Clinton work out. And I really fucking love Dier so I'm glad he'll get more game time. I'd play him up front if it meant him being on the pitch. Future captain for me.

It's been disappointing but it's not a disaster. And striker/DM aside, it's been a pretty decent window. I'm 50/50 re Levy. There's no doubt he's done some amazing things for us but he's also fucked up too. I'm ready for a sugar daddy City style to take us to the next level. I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years and now I want to see us compete properly and regularly. I'd very much prefer to do all this under Levy but I can't see that being possible due to the limitless spending by City, Chelsea & now Utd.

Jesus how long? If you're still reading you're obviously bored.

Im sorry but ... 1 striker ! .. That's 1 striker! .. Teams below us have strengthened all over and not left themselves vulnerable to injuries or burn out. Our midfield is seriously exposed .. Dier although was massive last weekend , we needed a playmaker/DM. We are in trouble.

KingNick · Sep 1, 2015

Berba on a free almost seems too good to turn down. No real down sides and could be good for Kane to learn from

ohwhenthespurs · Sep 1, 2015

Twizzle said:
We had been hearing for a long time about all these plan Bs, Cs etc

It appears that was not the case.

No. Quite. Either the club is very active on disseminating bullshit through certain people who think they're getting information I good faith; those people are complicit in it; or they're just plain gullible. But year after year the likes of JJ claim ambiguously 'lessons have been learnt', 'you'll be happy come the close of the window' etc then disappear on the final day as the ruse unfolds. Let's be honest, Illaremendi, Witsel, Patio, all utter horse shit. Levy does what he does, he's a currency trader, Mr Buyright; and if that means Bale, Modric, Kane, Berbatov, Lloris or whoever leave citing lack of ambition, at a profit, he's unfazed. The five year plan is a rolling fantasy as long as we keep buying our season tickets, as long as the myth that we're competing for the top four is maintained for our international commercial partners he couldn't give a shit. The windows are all good traffic for this site but it is what it is and the so called itks are in my view as manipulated and in the dark as the rest of us customers.

Spurger King · Sep 1, 2015

plzsm said:
One of the reasons today seems a disappointment is we haven't actually seen N'Jie and Son play for us yet. Fast forward a few weeks and both them hit the ground running, playing on either side of Kane, banging them in we'll look back on this as a great window. Optimistic admittedly but shouldn't underestimate how good these two could and should turn out to be.

No I think it's more to do with the glaring holes in the squad that have been apparent since even before Pochettino joined, and which are still there.

DaiT · Sep 1, 2015

The THFC transfer window is like watching a porn movie - you always know how it is going to end.

Credit of course to Sir Mick for the original comment.

At least Lennon still wants to play football. Ade just wants to play.

danielneeds · Sep 1, 2015

KingNick said:
Berba on a free almost seems too good to turn down. No real down sides and could be good for Kane to learn from

Also those squirrels must be pretty darn hungry by now...

kd2000 · Sep 1, 2015

bigfrooj said:
I think we are seriously skint, I can't explain this window otherwise. Obviously the funding new stadium is effecting our spending to a much larger extent than Levy wants to let on.

I dont think its a case of being skint or the stadium impacting on spending. Weve never really lived beyond our means but all itk and even poch mentioned us working on deals. My own opinion is that poch had clearly identified targets and we received encouragement from the players clubs/representatives. Yes as fans we think its a simple case of if we cant have player a we just get player b (blame football manager or fifa etc). But if we get it wrong we can reset the game or start again. Poch has a plan, maybe he doesnt want another stambouli

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