The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Window is open!

RJ1882 · Jan 6, 2016

andyp8080 said:
wasn't this chap expected to be something a bit special? I thought we were just waiting for him to reach a certain age before finalising it all?

Oh yes. The Nigerian Iniesta. What went wrong?

Ledleys Knee · Jan 6, 2016

millsey said:
It's not gonna get to that stage anyway. He will not be at west brom next season, whatever happens

Newcastle will pull out 25m big ones soon and get it done quickly

Lighty64 · Jan 6, 2016

Ledleys Knee said:
Newcastle will pull out 25m big ones soon and get it done quickly

doesn't matter who puts in a £25mill bid, Peace can accept whatever offer he gets from any club, if Berahino doesn't want to sign for them he won't.

I believe a lot of disruption he might of caused is of ambitions of playing for a team that wants to win things not just stay in the Premiership. Last season he proved he could score on the big stage, thought he had the chance to move to a club with a lot more ambitions to receive a kick in the teeth, because Peace stopped it happening

heelspurs · Jan 6, 2016

spurs9 said:
He means the FA would extend the "rule" to the end of the window, so if a team signed him during the window after his contract expired but after he turned 24 (after 4th August 2017), due the fact that he was 23 when his contract expired, WBA would be entitled to compensation.

this wouldn't work because a player out of contract can be signed & registered by a team with space on its 25 man roster. At least that is what (I assume as) knowledgeable people on this board said in reference to Ade in regards to ripping up his contract.

spurs9 · Jan 6, 2016

heelspurs said:
this wouldn't work because a player out of contract can be signed & registered by a team with space on its 25 man roster. At least that is what (I assume as) knowledgeable people on this board said in reference to Ade in regards to ripping up his contract.

Different rules for different situations.

I have just confirmed that Berahino wouldn't be free, as he would have to turn 24 before 30th June 2017 (Berahino turns 24 on 04/08/2017). Exact wording:

"There shall be no right to compensation or transfer fee by the previous Club of a player who has attained the age of 24 years on or before 30th June and whose contract at he club has expired."

Spurs1960 · Jan 6, 2016

Spursidol said:
supply and demand

not too many strikers available so if ManU want one (and they do) after chasing round lots of big names for £50m and getting nowhere, anyone on less than half that will seem a bargain. And I can se Liverpool looking at strikers with Sturridhe always injured and Ings out for the season.......and they are never shy about spending big money

That's why the price is not likely to collapse as much a it should

So you wait until the summer when there are more available with less time on their contract. Nobody will pay £20m for someone who has achieved nothing with 18 months left on a contract who isn't playing and is causing trouble. I'm afraid sensible businessmen don't look at things the way you do, if they did their business wouldn't survive very long. His price with a year left will collapse as nobidy will pay more, that will be their demand, especially with the greater supply available.

Col_M · Jan 6, 2016

coopsieyid said:
Hark at Stevie Wonder here

Is Ebony and Ivory the new Blue and Yellow?

Actually that's what the Internet dress phenomenon was all about

Flashspur · Jan 6, 2016

andyp8080 said:
wasn't this chap expected to be something a bit special? I thought we were just waiting for him to reach a certain age before finalising it all?

Mate, we have British Nigerians coming off the assembly line in the UK - Oduwa, Onomah, Alli etc. Who needs real Nigerians

Shadydan · Jan 6, 2016

Spurs1960 said:
So you wait until the summer when there are more available with less time on their contract. Nobody will pay £20m for someone who has achieved nothing with 18 months left on a contract who isn't playing and is causing trouble. I'm afraid sensible businessmen don't look at things the way you do, if they did their business wouldn't survive very long. His price with a year left will collapse as nobidy will pay more, that will be their demand, especially with the greater supply available.

You underestimate the stupidity of football clubs.

Spursidol · Jan 6, 2016

Spurs1960 said:
So you wait until the summer when there are more available with less time on their contract. Nobody will pay £20m for someone who has achieved nothing with 18 months left on a contract who isn't playing and is causing trouble. I'm afraid sensible businessmen don't look at things the way you do, if they did their business wouldn't survive very long. His price with a year left will collapse as nobidy will pay more, that will be their demand, especially with the greater supply available.

The point I'm making is that if the player is worth £20m, then regardless of their contract situation, that's the kind of money you may need to pay.

If a player has a contract which is running down, in this case to 18 months left, then it is assumed that the selling club is starting to worry that the player value at the end of the contract will be zero or maybe a development fee, and therefore the selling club will sell that player for a 'bargain' fee. Of course that's not going to be true if there are multiple clubs chasing the player as the price will be bid up. That's supply and demand.

In this case the selling club refuses to recognise the contract situation - playing hard ball - and wants a large price.

Spurs decision is what price to bid to get the player - and if that's our main target - we may need to bid up.

On the other hand if that player is not worth £20m (for whatever reason - including those you cite), then its not worth bidding up high - in fact its time to walk away and NOT wait to go back in the summer but find someone else now.

In short he's either worth buying now (at a price reflecting his ability and experience, regardless of contract situation) or he's not....and if not don't wait for the summer, that's just appalling business sense. .

JamieSpursCommunityUser · Jan 6, 2016

spurs9 said:
Different rules for different situations.

I have just confirmed that Berahino wouldn't be free, as he would have to turn 24 before 30th June 2017 (Berahino turns 24 on 04/08/2017). Exact wording:

"There shall be no right to compensation or transfer fee by the previous Club of a player who has attained the age of 24 years on or before 30th June and whose contract at he club has expired."

Interesting, I stand corrected.

I guess Levy would just pull another sly one via Standard Liege.

Which would obviously be hilarious

Spursidol · Jan 6, 2016

JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
Interesting, I stand corrected.

I guess Levy would just pull another sly one via Standard Liege.

Which would obviously be hilarious

They then become known by DL as 'Standard Practice' not Standard Liege

Stoof · Jan 7, 2016

Not really sure why it's being discussed in here, either.

Roynie · Jan 7, 2016

I don't know about anyone else on here, but the absence of ITK is like the agony and the ecstacy. It's frustrating to think that there is nothing happening, although there probably is but we aren't hearing about it. But on the other hand there aren't many positions where we are too desperate other than the obvious backup striker. I can't remember when we have had a squad as strong as this one, and we have quite a few players on the verge e.g. Onomah, Pritchard and Winks, with even more potential coming through.

But I need my fix of ITK, NOW!

Hotspur88 · Jan 7, 2016

Roynie said:
I don't know about anyone else on here, but the absence of ITK is like the agony and the ecstacy. It's frustrating to think that there is nothing happening, although there probably is but we aren't hearing about it. But on the other hand there aren't many positions where we are too desperate other than the obvious backup striker. I can't remember when we have had a squad as strong as this one, and we have quite a few players on the verge e.g. Onomah, Pritchard and Winks, with even more potential coming through.

But I need my fix of ITK, NOW!

I just don't think that much is happening. Poch has said on numerous occasions that he is happy with the squad and would only buy if he right person came along. I do believe we are looking into signing a striker but we currently seem to be looking at the lower leagues and buying youth again. I think we will sign a back up striker and a couple of youth players and that will be it. No ITK can be frustrating but it shows the club seem to have sealed some of the leaks

Stoof · Jan 7, 2016

OK, so we've had Lacazette to Newcastle, the fewer numbers of Kane's sprints and Arnautovic contract stuff.

None of it ITK-related.

And only one of those is remotely Spurs-focussed.

Come on lads. Play the game. Plenty of other places to visit in the forum!

tiger666 · Jan 7, 2016

Stoof said:
Come on lads. Play the game. Plenty of other places to visit in the forum!

Yeah right. Re-open Manwhores Mansion you ****s.

Roynie · Jan 7, 2016

Barnes Spurs said:
I just don't think that much is happening. Poch has said on numerous occasions that he is happy with the squad and would only buy if he right person came along. I do believe we are looking into signing a striker but we currently seem to be looking at the lower leagues and buying youth again. I think we will sign a back up striker and a couple of youth players and that will be it. No ITK can be frustrating but it shows the club seem to have sealed some of the leaks

I agree, but it is still frustrating, init!

Spurs1960 · Jan 7, 2016

millsey said:
As people have mentioned, if he ran his contract down he would WBA would still get 10 mill odd from tribunal for Berahino so Peace still holds a few cards. Stupid not to sell him how though. He may well want a desperate buyer end of window rather than now though. Which doesn't do us good

Nobody knows what a tribunal would price him at and I'd disagree that Peace holds cards. He wanted £25, keeping your fingers crossed for £10m is hardly holding the aces and clubs know that. He won't be any use to anyone as a panic biuy at the last minute if as reported

Spursidol said:
The point I'm making is that if the player is worth £20m, then regardless of their contract situation, that's the kind of money you may need to pay.

If a player has a contract which is running down, in this case to 18 months left, then it is assumed that the selling club is starting to worry that the player value at the end of the contract will be zero or maybe a development fee, and therefore the selling club will sell that player for a 'bargain' fee. Of course that's not going to be true if there are multiple clubs chasing the player as the price will be bid up. That's supply and demand.

In this case the selling club refuses to recognise the contract situation - playing hard ball - and wants a large price.

Spurs decision is what price to bid to get the player - and if that's our main target - we may need to bid up.

On the other hand if that player is not worth £20m (for whatever reason - including those you cite), then its not worth bidding up high - in fact its time to walk away and NOT wait to go back in the summer but find someone else now.

In short he's either worth buying now (at a price reflecting his ability and experience, regardless of contract situation) or he's not....and if not don't wait for the summer, that's just appalling business sense. .

No it isn't that is simply untrue. Contract length affects transfer value regardless of hoiw many clubs want a player. They do not have a bidding war they decide on their own valuation and stick to that.

Spursidol · Jan 7, 2016

Spurs1960 said:
Nobody knows what a tribunal would price him at and I'd disagree that Peace holds cards. He wanted £25, keeping your fingers crossed for £10m is hardly holding the aces and clubs know that. He won't be any use to anyone as a panic biuy at the last minute if as reported

No it isn't that is simply untrue. Contract length affects transfer value regardless of hoiw many clubs want a player. They do not have a bidding war they decide on their own valuation and stick to that.[/QUOTE]

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