Hazardousman
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I think he is saying 4 points from West Brom, 4 points from us, 2 parked buses (accusing us of parking the bus as well) in other words, he is deluded.
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I think he is saying 4 points from West Brom, 4 points from us, 2 parked buses (accusing us of parking the bus as well) in other words, he is deluded.
Shadydan
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Hmmm
Either way the obsession of what a couple of Leicester fans are saying is bordering on OTT and sad.
Luka Van der Bale
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That's literally the purpose of this thread? If it's sad look at other threads.
Woodyy
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I'm not sure, seemed pointless to include us in that whole thing if he wasn't referring to us as a parked bus as well.
Hazardousman
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Isn't the point of this thread to talk about what opponents fans are saying though?
heelspurs
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These little nuggets from some know-nothing 'supporters' of the NL interlopers at the mania:
and an equally uninformed response:
and some perspective:
Do these jackasses forget that we have had EL? The league with the worst travel and thursday-sunday scheduling? Fecking morons. Not to mention we did very well in our trip to the CL and our league form did not suffer that much.
and an equally uninformed response:
and some perspective:
We'll find out in 2 seasons after we finish 7th next year.
Do these jackasses forget that we have had EL? The league with the worst travel and thursday-sunday scheduling? Fecking morons. Not to mention we did very well in our trip to the CL and our league form did not suffer that much.
easley91
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We haven't even parked a mini..
Lufti
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It's ridiculous to compare us to Liverpool cause the main factor in their demise was the loss of Suarez.
KILLA_SIN
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Just to add we have played just the way I want us to play all season, set up to play football and win games. We haven't been anywhere this season looking for a draw, men behind the ball looking to nick one on the counter. Everyone can fuck right off with that park the bus nonsense.
Bus-Conductor
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I think this bit resonated with me:
As you’d expect from a team using these principles, they build up from deep with short passes from the centre-backs and pivots. It is the pivot’s job to create triangles and rhombuses, making it easy for Spurs to pass the ball around the opposition’s pressing lines and up the pitch.
A good structure in possession will allow the ball carrier to have immediate open options as soon as he receives the ball, meaning he can move the ball on more quickly, and make for a more effective and entertaining possession game.
And later in the piece:
Dembele and Dier aren’t highly intelligent as to when to get the ball into overloaded areas quickly and at times play the ball too slowly. After a left-back, I would say Pochettino should prioritise adding an elite pivot to his squad should he still be Tottenham manager going into next season.
Just to pick up on this point. It is why I have continually said I would like Bentaleb or Mason in the midfield if we are going to play Dier (or Dembele) rather than Dier and Dembele or Alli at all. I have continually made this similar point. About Dembele moving the ball too slowly and Dier's passing being very risk averse under the tight confines and pressure of Cm sometimes. About Mason and Bentaleb's ability to move the ball quicker and get it to AM's before the opposition are banked into two lines. Alli strengths are in his willingness to bomb forward and get ahead of the fulcrum striker. Not continually moving to make passing options for those at the back and middle of the pitch and continually recycling the ball effectively and efficiently.
He also highlights that despite being when of the possession leaders, with fluid attack, we are only 16th in terms of crossing. This is why I keep advocating Trippier over Walker for home or easier away games. He suggest we should prioritise a left back.
Another thing I'd pick up on is the bit about Dier filling in at RB, it does happen of course, but tactically I think what happens more than Dier filling in at right back is Alderweireld moves out and covers the RB (or the LCB moving to cover LB) and Dier drops back to become an auxiliary CB. IMO.
I quite liked the bit about how having ball playing CB's (especially when Vertonghen is there) creates more options than we would have if just playing double pivoting CM's, this is why I've always liked (decent) ball playing CB's, it's like you effectively have an extra player (or 2) on the pitch to the opposition and as the piece says, makes you less vulnerable to opposition pressing, because they know they have to press 6 players in their forward areas - we used to see the opposition press people other than Dawson, knowing if they can force the ball to him he will just hump it and we will turn over possession. CB's don't have to be Ferdinand, but as long as they are comfortable in possession and can defend as well, it's a vital component.
He also makes a fair point about how our pressing can lose it's structure for phases.
Spurger King
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Let's flip that over for a moment.
Despite not moving the ball quick enough, he has been superb at winning the ball back, is a solid rock when on the ball, and drives our play into the final third better than any other player at the club.
He'a the very definition of the kind of player that does well in the middle of the pitch. We don't play him higher up because he offers very little by way of an attacking threat (and those quick passes you're talking about are exactly what is needed in the final third).
He'd do well in a more forward position, but not as well as he's currently being played in.
Bus-Conductor
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Disagree. You think it's quicker for Dembele to dribble his way past their CM's to get the ball forward or for Mason or Bentaleb to pass the ball past their CM's ?
I agree Dembele is very good defensively, very hard to knock of it, but we want to transition quickly, it's a vital part of the philosophy, which is why I've said either him or Dier, not both. Not most weeks anyway. And that article highlights similar flaws.
I think he is more useful higher up because he's tenacious, so can operate the forward press brilliantly, can help hold the ball up unlike the erratic other options like Alli, Son, Lamela and he's more threat dribbling at defenders i the final third than midfielders in the middle third.
IGSpur
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One of the few West Ham fans that I know that actually has decent banter has told me that due to the cheap season tickets he knows about 16 Arsenal fans that have got themselves on the waiting list at their new stadium.
They said they are just football fans and don't West Ham but it's cheap football and an opportunity to see lots of games. They said they won't sing or anything just watch and even maybe sing anti Hammers songs to wing them up. If he knows of 16 alone I wonder how many people are doing this, and it could be a massive downside. Actual West Ham fans are losing out to other clubs fans who will make the atmosphere worse.
When I went to the OS for the Rugby WC, it is a nice stadium but it definitely isn't a football one, it is too shallow and open, it feels weird, but can't fault the general quality. Will be interesting to see how they make it work and how the atmosphere will be when combined with the above. I can definitely see why Levy planned to demolish and get a purpose built football one
nightgoat
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Someone re-write the dictionary and put this under 'irony'.
Spurger King
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I used to think he'd be better further forward, but when we're one win off the top I'm going to go with Pochettino on this one.
You have to consider the less measurable aspects such as the confidence he gives to our central players such as Dier. There aren't stats for inspiring confidence, yet you can be sure they have played a part.
jurgen
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Dembele's running on the ball makes space, and then people are drawn in for the challenge, bounce off him and lose position - and you wouldn't get that from the other two in the same way. For our title push, Dembele's physicality is going to be so important for the scraps. Ultimately I guess the proof of the pudding is in the results though... which seem to be rather good for the Dier/Dembele axis. 6 wins on the spin.. chance to get to 7 tomorrow for first time in a half century?
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
P.s. to stay on topic, Leicester fans seem like tits
edit for pedant's corner I know Dembele has only played for 5 of those 6 wins and may not contribute to a future 7th tomorrow..
Bus-Conductor
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I don't think this team gets it's confidence from any one player, We played well at there start of the season and in recent games without Dembele.
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Considering we've been further than them in the CL in the past 6 years that'd highly amusing. And that we are actually juggling EL and league better than they could ever imagine themselves doing.
thinktank
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Is it just me or is this just totally fucking creepy now? I mean, they've just made this whole rivalry legend up between us. It's straight up fucking weird and creepy.
"I haven't wanted to win a game this bad since the Play-Off Final."????? You fucking sure??
What's that about??
Creepy! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Creepy, stalking bastards.
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