Summer Transfer Wish List

Sweech · Mar 9, 2016

spurs9 said:
I think Lacazette is very getable, he has already stated he wants to play in the PL and said he wants to leave Lyon at the end of the season. There were strong rumors that Lyon accepted a bid form Newcastle (around 18 - 20m iirc), but he turned them down as he didn't want to leave in Jan. I think the only thing stopping us from getting him is our own will as I doubt the big clubs will be interested.

I think we definitely need to bring in a striker and my ideal would be a player that has a bit of pace, some skill, unpredictability intelligence, brings others into play and can also play in the wide positions and Lacazette fits the bill. If we intend on using Oduwa and he is looking as good as we hope/think he can be, they I don't see the need to bring in another AM, however if we are planning to loan him again, then I want us to bring someone in who is quick, a very good dribbler in tight spaces and direct (Insigne, O.Dembele or Boufal are names off the top of my head that I would be very happy with) and maybe Njie could be that player, but I don't think he has the arrogance required and I think his touch is a bit loose, but who knows how he will be after a pre-season under his belt.

TBH, I would complain too much if we just bought in a striker, as Pritchard and Njie will be like two new signings, but that is the minimum IMO.

Embolo hasn't been great this season and has a lot to learn and I think he needs to be playing regularly at a higher level than the Swiss league, but I would be happy if we signed him, would prefer Lacazette though.

I think you might be overrating Lacazettes ability to bring others in. He can be over the top selfish at times and he's going to have to learn how to change as players will be all over him in and around the box in the PL.

lol · Mar 9, 2016

if we have the money we should definitely go for lacazette over any other st/amrl. only 24, perfect for our system, on top of that has a great chemistry with njie. i think we all saw how toby elevated vert's game. I believe it would be very similar for njie if we get lacazette.

imagine they play up to their lyon quality, we have absolutely no fear of losing quality despite rotating our squad

kane with lamela, eriksen, alli
lacazette with njie, son, any am

this sort of depth is all cup + title challenge quality

danielneeds · Mar 9, 2016

lol said:
if we have the money we should definitely go for lacazette over any other st/amrl. only 24, perfect for our system, on top of that has a great chemistry with njie. i think we all saw how toby elevated vert's game. I believe it would be very similar for njie if we get lacazette.

imagine they play up to their lyon quality, we have absolutely no fear of losing quality despite rotating our squad

kane with lamela, eriksen, alli
lacazette with njie, son, any am

this sort of depth is all cup + title challenge quality

The problem is Lacazette and his entourage will know that Kane will be our first choice No 9. Similar to how West Ham think they can sign Batshuayi in front of us because he wants to be a first choice starter.

It's going to be hard to sign a player like that because they will all want to be first choice, with such an important move in their career.

Bus-Conductor · Mar 9, 2016

spurs9 said:
I think Lacazette is very getable, he has already stated he wants to play in the PL and said he wants to leave Lyon at the end of the season. There were strong rumors that Lyon accepted a bid form Newcastle (around 18 - 20m iirc), but he turned them down as he didn't want to leave in Jan. I think the only thing stopping us from getting him is our own will as I doubt the big clubs will be interested.

I think we definitely need to bring in a striker and my ideal would be a player that has a bit of pace, some skill, unpredictability intelligence, brings others into play and can also play in the wide positions and Lacazette fits the bill. If we intend on using Oduwa and he is looking as good as we hope/think he can be, they I don't see the need to bring in another AM, however if we are planning to loan him again, then I want us to bring someone in who is quick, a very good dribbler in tight spaces and direct (Insigne, O.Dembele or Boufal are names off the top of my head that I would be very happy with) and maybe Njie could be that player, but I don't think he has the arrogance required and I think his touch is a bit loose, but who knows how he will be after a pre-season under his belt.

TBH, I would complain too much if we just bought in a striker, as Pritchard and Njie will be like two new signings, but that is the minimum IMO.

Embolo hasn't been great this season and has a lot to learn and I think he needs to be playing regularly at a higher level than the Swiss league, but I would be happy if we signed him, would prefer Lacazette though.

I wouldn't argue with much of that at all.

Surely though you have been arguing with me elsewhere on the virtues of Brtahino, but he doesn't really fit your criteria of skill, unpredictability and particularly can bring others in etc.

GetSpurredOn · Mar 9, 2016

Lloris, Vorm, (McGee)
Walker, Trippier, (Walker-Peters)
Rose, Davies, (Henry)
Alderweireld, Ball, Carter-Vickers (Maghoma)
Vertonghen, Wimmer, (Ogilvie)
Dier, Bentaleb, (Lesniak)
Dembele, Mason, (Winks)
Lamela, Carroll, (Oduwa)
Eriksen, Alli, Pritchard, (Onomah)
Chadli, Njie, (Ward/Tracey)
Kane, Son, M Dembele, (Harrison)

M Dembele & Rico Henry in.
Fazio & Yedlin out.

Wissam Ben Yedder? or Ousmane Dembele? for Chadli maybe, for more flexibility and dynamism. Debatable.

Victor Wanyama? if a more specialist alternative CB/DM option like Dier is viewed as the way to go to replace Fazio, as opposed to Ball/Bentaleb/Carter-Vickers covering CB/DM between them. Personally I prefer to go with the players we have in this instance, but I could see some logic behind it.

Young LCB instead of Henry, if Ogilvie stays at LB. Does he have the dynamism for Pochettino's fullback demands? However, he is defensively astute, could play, and has played I believe, as the LCB. Based on the tactical requirement of them splitting to cover across as the fullbacks push on and the DM drops between the CB's. (Alderweireld is a competent RB as well as CB, likewise Vertonghen competent LB).

In the main, go with what we have, with just some minor alterations to better address balance, continuity rather than wholesale changes. Let the squad mature an develop. No big signings, just more young hungry players to buy into Pochettino's ethos. Faith in Ball & Carter-Vickers to understudy Toby, replacing Fazio. Ball could also cover Dier alongside Bentaleb, as I think Ball's loan spell will have developed him no end. Finally, in attacking areas, Dembele provides the Kane type physical presence, whereas Son's pace and work rate provided an alternative option to break defences. I think next season, him and Njie will really push on with a full year settling to England behind them, plus a full preseason. Pritchard back and fit too. Continuity is key, players who buy into the team bond we hear so much about, rather than individual game changers.

Everlasting Seconds · Mar 9, 2016

danielneeds said:
The problem is Lacazette and his entourage will know that Kane will be our first choice No 9. Similar to how West Ham think they can sign Batshuayi in front of us because he wants to be a first choice starter.

It's going to be hard to sign a player like that because they will all want to be first choice, with such an important move in their career.

If any player wants to be first choice, then come on and show that he deserves it. If he's not up for proving he deserves it, then he is to afraid of Kane and already not what we need. Kane isn't some irreplaceable demi god. If anything, he has shown this season that he is simply human.

Cravenspurs · Mar 9, 2016

Everlasting Seconds said:
If any player wants to be first choice, then come on and show that he deserves it. If he's not up for proving he deserves it, then he is to afraid of Kane and already not what we need. Kane isn't some irreplaceable demi god. If anything, he has shown this season that he is simply human.

I would also argue that Kane might be best played off the shoulder of another striker. He is best running at goal and actually has great vision. He is more of a risk-taker with his passing and could see him being a bit more influential in games where he picks the ball up in Eriksen like positions. Is that just me?

Mullers · Mar 9, 2016

Mason gets injured rather a lot, I am a big fan off his but I could see a scenario where we decide to take the money if there is good offer for him.

Bus-Conductor · Mar 9, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I really don't think we should be doing much business in the summer. If you assume that we aren't suddenly going to try and get into an arms race with the big boys - which we aren't - then personally I think we have a good group here already that has most bases covered and are mostly all still developing - and have the potential to improve again next season under Pochettino. You have players like Dier, Alli, Lamela, Kane, Eriksen, Trippier, Davies, Bentaleb, Son, Njie - all have been improved already or you feel can improve further with Pochettino's coaching.

We have established older players like Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Dembele, Mason.

We could really do with providing more quality from the FB areas but we have an outstanding full back in KWP bubbling under - there is absolutely no point buying another RB.

CB we have a really strong group.

Bottom line, I think we have the defence and midfield well covered.

Everyone keeps banging on about a striker but I just don't share the panic. We play a one striker system, no team who does ever has two same top drawer - uber fulcrum type who do everything - strikers. Chelsea, Real, Barca, Bayern all these teams have won leagues etc with pretty much one recognised top drawer uber striker. I'd love Embolo but I think that ship has sailed and he'll be heading for one of the big boys soon. I'm really liking what I see of Ouseman Dembele who can play anywhere in the front four, but I think has the strength, hold up, dribbling and finishing to play as a striker in the future as well, so will be much easier to assimilate into the squad and keep busy than buying a pure one dimensional No.9 type who's just going to spend most of his time sitting around getting pissed off. It's either buy someone like him (Dembele - young, versatile, bags of potential), or pick up a classy older guy on the way down who'll be happy with a decent salary and not starting every week, but would bring a wise old head.

I think, we could do with adding some intelligence, craft and composure to the front four, but not just any player will be right for our system, they have to have the work ethic too (Willian would fit for example, Mata wouldn't not that we are going to get either but you see my point) if we could add someone like Nabil Fekir, who has that ability to craft but also works hard (it's no coincidence that Lacazette has not scored as many goals this season since Fekir has been out all season) that would do me.

I'm sure there may be other examples around but those two spring to my mind and I'd settle for that.

spurs9 said:
I think Lacazette is very getable, he has already stated he wants to play in the PL and said he wants to leave Lyon at the end of the season. There were strong rumors that Lyon accepted a bid form Newcastle (around 18 - 20m iirc), but he turned them down as he didn't want to leave in Jan. I think the only thing stopping us from getting him is our own will as I doubt the big clubs will be interested.

I think we definitely need to bring in a striker and my ideal would be a player that has a bit of pace, some skill, unpredictability intelligence, brings others into play and can also play in the wide positions and Lacazette fits the bill. If we intend on using Oduwa and he is looking as good as we hope/think he can be, they I don't see the need to bring in another AM, however if we are planning to loan him again, then I want us to bring someone in who is quick, a very good dribbler in tight spaces and direct (Insigne, O.Dembele or Boufal are names off the top of my head that I would be very happy with) and maybe Njie could be that player, but I don't think he has the arrogance required and I think his touch is a bit loose, but who knows how he will be after a pre-season under his belt.

TBH, I would complain too much if we just bought in a striker, as Pritchard and Njie will be like two new signings, but that is the minimum IMO.

Embolo hasn't been great this season and has a lot to learn and I think he needs to be playing regularly at a higher level than the Swiss league, but I would be happy if we signed him, would prefer Lacazette though.

And both of us completely forgot to mention Onomah, who does have composure and can play in advanced areas, or if we ever played a 433 in central midfield too.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Mar 9, 2016

Mullers said:
Mason gets injured rather a lot, I am a big fan off his but I could see a scenario where we decide to take the money if there is good offer for him.

I don't agree.

Poch has already stated many times how important Mason is. This may change a couple seasons down the line when players like Onomah and Winks develop further but I doubt he will going anywhere this summer.

Bus-Conductor · Mar 9, 2016

danielneeds said:
The problem is Lacazette and his entourage will know that Kane will be our first choice No 9. Similar to how West Ham think they can sign Batshuayi in front of us because he wants to be a first choice starter.

It's going to be hard to sign a player like that because they will all want to be first choice, with such an important move in their career.

This was one of the things I alluded to when I said I don't think we will sign him. I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger was interested in him, he doesn't seem to have complete confidence in Giroud and I think they would be the dream EPL club for Lacazette.

But there will be a lot of aspirational clubs in the EPL with wheel barrows full of loot to chuck at a player like Lacazette who'll guarantee them goals in return for being guaranteed to be their main man.

Failing that I could easily see German and Spanish clubs being interested in him, where they play two striker systems much more than in the EPL.

danielneeds · Mar 9, 2016

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
I don't agree.

Poch has already stated many times how important Mason is. This may change a couple seasons down the line when players like Onomah and Winks develop further but I doubt he will going anywhere this summer.

Mason's fragile body is a problem though. It's dogged him since youth football, and now into his mid-20s. If it persists it's going to increasingly hard for Poch to count on him.

markiespurs · Mar 9, 2016

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
I don't agree.

Poch has already stated many times how important Mason is. This may change a couple seasons down the line when players like Onomah and Winks develop further but I doubt he will going anywhere this summer.

If any midfielder was to go this summer then I'd expect it to be Bentaleb, who appears to have slipped right down the pecking order for a midfield place.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Mar 9, 2016

danielneeds said:
Mason's fragile body is a problem though. It's dogged him since youth football, and now into his mid-20s. If it persists it's going to increasingly hard for Poch to count on him.

I understand but Poch has made a point of praising Mason's professionalism and leadership qualities - even making him captain for a match recently. He might be sold in the future but I definitely don't see it happening this summer.

handinho · Mar 9, 2016

Ousmane's hattrick against Nantes.

Dharmabum · Mar 9, 2016

Ousmane Dembele is just the type of player Spurs dearly need - a player with pace and dribbling skills and an eye for goal. Spurs lack pace up front, so when Spurs pushed back - as they always are when they take the lead - they are easier to push back as Spurs are not that good on counter attacks (mainly due to their lack of pace up front). With a pacey wide striker up front the opponents, naturally, have to be more careful pushing players forward if Spurs can hurt them better on counter attacks.

GetSpurredOn · Mar 9, 2016

Pacey wide striker you say....
Step forward (post injury) Clinton Njie
I think he will surprise quite a few next year, once fit and settled. Same can be said for Son. A full preseason for both will be a game changer.

As for Bentaleb, I get the impression he is having his game rebuilt, specifically as the Dier type holding midfielder, hence the regular game time in the U21's, giving him minutes out on the park to improve his tactical discipline. He has the athleticism, and height, to be able to slot in between the CB's as Dier does, but perhaps has a little more all round game going forward.

spurs9 · Mar 9, 2016

Sweech said:
I think you might be overrating Lacazettes ability to bring others in. He can be over the top selfish at times and he's going to have to learn how to change as players will be all over him in and around the box in the PL.

When I have seen him, he has done well bringing others in and has been no more selfish than Kane, in fact, if you check his stats, he creates more chances, passes more and takes less shots than Kane.

Sweech · Mar 9, 2016

spurs9 said:
When I have seen him, he has done well bringing others in and has been no more selfish than Kane, in fact, if you check his stats, he creates more chances, makes the same amount of passes and takes less shots than Kane.

Yeah...Kane's not the shining beacon of unselfishness to use as a comparison though...

Seriously just watch Lacazette's highlights and see how many extra touches he takes in the box and how often he ends up not passing to a clearly better option.

A) He won't get away with that in this league
B) He's suffering for it now as those lower percentage chances just aren't going in now.

spurs9 · Mar 9, 2016

Bus-Conductor said:
I wouldn't argue with much of that at all.

Surely though you have been arguing with me elsewhere on the virtues of Brtahino, but he doesn't really fit your criteria of skill, unpredictability and particularly can bring others in etc.

Berahino isn't top of my list but I think you underestimate him in many of those areas (a few do need work though) but he is also an excellent finisher and has good movement and an area we need to improve on is finishing off chances.

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