Is there a way past the Bielsa/Pochettino wall?

we_all_loved_freund said:

People will point to games such as Swansea and even Watford and say we were good and we just didn't take our chances as evidence that our fitness levels have been fine. However, to me, the writing has been on the wall for a few weeks with regards our fitness.

The fact that we are not finishing chances is, in my opinion, the biggest indicator of our tiredness. Stats regarding distance covered do not help in terms of whether we are trying as it is the intensity of those runs that is more telling. Ambling up to somebody to close them down is not the same as the pressing we were doing early in the season.

Our lack of clinicalness has to be as a result of our tiredness; we simply don't have the concentration to be able to do the most difficult job on the pitch. If you look at Harry's two attempts against West Ham really shows this, in my opinion.

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As I said in my post, not taking our chances has been a problem all season. For example, we had multiple opportunities to score a 2nd against Arsenal at the Emirates, one of our most impressive pressing performances, but we weren't clinical enough.

ethanedwards said:

Has Bielsa or any of his disciples been successful with these tactics ? ie won a trophy.

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I think Pep based his style around that of Bielsa. Although, I think he adapted the press to the famous 7 seconds which would obviously have helped with fitness levels and tiredness.

This is a conspiracy theorist type of thread, and so I play the Occam's razor card and say Spurs' team of experts probably has the issue worked out way beyond what anyone here has. Are you serious in suggesting things you think they might not have considered, or even heard of? Madness.

That said, years ago when I played Sunday league it was a source of pride to last 90 minutes hungover with severe dehydration and neurotransmitter depletion. Must admit I did suffer some loss of form, so perhaps the OP does have a point.

A bigger deeper squad is the only answer - you need to move them around in a Pochettino team so they stay fresh. Mind you he hasn't done such a bid job with fitness. Also you have to remember that a lot of these lads haven't matured yet. Just because they are young does not mean they are at their physical peak - far from it.

Flashspur said:

A bigger deeper squad is the only answer - you need to move them around in a Pochettino team so they stay fresh. Mind you he hasn't done such a bid job with fitness. Also you have to remember that a lot of these lads haven't matured yet. Just because they are young does not mean they are at their physical peak - far from it.

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We have a deep squad, Pochettino needs to learn to rotate.

Mason was our best player of the season before his injury, Bentaleb was one of our best players before his injury last season, Dembele looked certain to be not good enough before he was forced to play due to the injuries above, Dier wasn't even a CM at the start of the season.

The squad isn't the problem as people make out. Not keeping everyone fresh is the issue, when they are forced to come in, they then are very rusty and people then moan about the squad not being good enough!

Flashspur said:

A bigger deeper squad is the only answer - you need to move them around in a Pochettino team so they stay fresh. Mind you he hasn't done such a bid job with fitness. Also you have to remember that a lot of these lads haven't matured yet. Just because they are young does not mean they are at their physical peak - far from it.

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beats1 said:

We have a deep squad, Pochettino needs to learn to rotate.

Mason was our best player of the season before his injury, Bentaleb was one of our best players before his injury last season, Dembele looked certain to be not good enough before he was forced to play due to the injuries above, Dier wasn't even a CM at the start of the season.

The squad isn't the problem as people make out. Not keeping everyone fresh is the issue, when they are forced to come in, they then are very rusty and people then moan about the squad not being good enough!

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I think both of you are right, really. There can be no doubt that there is still work to be done on the squad, especially for a CL season. And I also don't doubt that ideally, Poch would be a little bit more at ease with resting his trusted core sooner.
He does rotate players who are not part of his core of players, but it's very hard for him to rest players he really doesn't want to do without.

we_all_loved_freund said:

I think Pep based his style around that of Bielsa. Although, I think he adapted the press to the famous 7 seconds which would obviously have helped with fitness levels and tiredness.

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Plus the 70% or so possession his sides are afforded the luxury of having changes the paradigm completely, pressing much less allows it to seem very intense when the reality is they have already emptied the opposition legs of energy potential much of the time, plus are much more often clear (2 goals or more) by the hour and can mini-rotate during matches.

boris said:

This is a conspiracy theorist type of thread, and so I play the Occam's razor card and say Spurs' team of experts probably has the issue worked out way beyond what anyone here has. Are you serious in suggesting things you think they might not have considered, or even heard of? Madness.

That said, years ago when I played Sunday league it was a source of pride to last 90 minutes hungover with severe dehydration and neurotransmitter depletion. Must admit I did suffer some loss of form, so perhaps the OP does have a point.

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My experience with numerous lead consultants, registrars, juniors, nurses, tells me categorically that yes I know a lot that none of them do, because they do not look from the perspective that key reactions between acid/alkali (anion/cation) is the foundation to the formation and maintenance of matter (you are what you eat, but you do not live off the food you eat, rather the energy in the food you eat, so without a good balance you have poor resistance to break apart the foods and release the energy = example Calcium salts are required to break down proteins, not directly, rather the liver needs them to produce HCI and Pepsin (et al), the Pepsin breaks apart proteins into constituent peptides and animo acids).

Nearly everybody is soo confused about nutrition, because it is being defined autocratically by pharmaceutical company associated professors, this is how the BMA/NICE/NHS form their guidelines and overarching practise. To create practices which exclude nature as the real healer in any scenario (though a lot of Doctors do acknowledge this in roundabout words).

Example, which form of Vitamin C do we give players?

Likely Calcium / Sodium Ascorbate, maybe with Bioflavonoids if the club thinks it's progressive.

It should be from food really (the club should have juicers and someone doing them so the players drink them within 10-15minutes of juicing to preserve the enzymes), if this is not possible then supplements are sometimes better than nothing, however if the terrain is already acidic the body will not absorb ascorbate (saliva below 6.2) as a defence mechanism, are we taking urine/saliva to check PH/Salts/Nitrogen?

If we are not testing the tissue status, then we could supply liposomal vitamin C, do we do this?

Which forms of essentially fatty acids do they get? Proteins?

I've been a carer/nurse, lifeguard, circuit/fatigue training instructor, ran swimming pools plant rooms (to learn a lot indirectly about chemistry/PH). But the chief lessons I learnt were when I get bad IBS post having Giardiasis after working in Calcutta in the home for the dyeing (early 90s). Back then the only offer my Dr made was anti-depressants, which made me indignant and go on a path to find how to fix this without drugs.

Then after about 10years half arsed research and self testing, plus maybe 5 years serious reading testing, we had a daughter at 24weeks, this sharpened my focus, she has needed (from mums perspective) 1 dose of Calpol (I felt such a failure!) since coming home on Oxygen nearly three years ago, that is her entire medical assistance (physio and tests aside) since coming home.

Following and re-learning the ideas I've accumulated means I know what to give when she refuses something, or when she's had too much sugar, bad fats etc. These same principles apply to assist recovery.

She had a grade 2 IVH, 2x grade 1 VSD's, required PDA ligation, Chronic Lung Disease, ROP Stage 2, was born with an Ecoli infection from staving off birth so required anti-biotics for her first three weeks at 24-27weeks gestation.

At this point she appears to be in the 12% born at this gestation without significant disability, further to this her physio said she is the biggest surprise of her career, that 'she shouldn't have come out of this unscathed', she was signed off from physio a few months ago now.

So, after now years keeping my daughter within parameters which repel illness and encourage healing I feel able to give some weight to my reflections.

Again, obviously a general post Boris, not directed at you.

Clearly the answer to the original poster's question is lucazade and a fun sized mars bar at half time

Spurrific said:

I think we need to do what Leicester are doing, and start giving our players steroids.

Just imo.

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I am genuinely suspicious about those fuckers.

The world's greatest ever player was fuelled by burgers and cocaine. He might have struggled in his countryman's system though.

Though he might have won a bit more if he'd drunk more nitrate free water. Or, took good lecithin for the bad fats and minerals to help the ill's of the burger and switched to a biodynamic grass reared Burger on sourdough/non-white bun!

What water are we running through our £100M+ assets (squad)?

Are we giving them distilled, or a quality bottled like sno?

http://drinksnowater.com/

We gave our daughter exclusively Sno as the water element in our daughters homemade formula (at 12months mums milk declined), 50% water, 50% raw milk (or non-homogenised full fat organic, plus a load of other stuff), that raised some concerns with the NHS until I confronted them, then you see embarrassed faces that their system preaches a less vibrant health methodology due to commercial farming interest pressures.

Listeria is almost exclusively found in Cattle when they encounter silo storage problems (grains or the like spoiling with damp penetration for example), so if you source exclusively grass fed (hay only in winter) you discount this risk, to the already minute risks (if you buy from someone who cares about their cattle). Personally was bought up raising livestock on my mums farm by the way and live on a farm now (though not farming myself).

We sourced Raw Organic A2 milk, 75% of people diagnosed as lactose intolerant are actually A1 beta-casein protein intolerant (A2 are from thoroughbred, such as Guernsey cows whose amino acid chains in their milk proteins differ at 67 Proline vs Holstein in A1 and are much more readily broken down by our digestive emzymes), A2 milk does not produce BCM7 (linked to Heart Disease, Type 1 Diabetes, Bloating etc).

What milk are we feeding our £100M+ Squad of assets? Human, Sheep & Goats all produce A2.

http://www.hurdlebrook.co.uk/#!science/c1aso

I'm on average wage, but got the best I could for my most precious asset, can't understand why My Levy wouldn't insist on the same for his assets.

We're actually covering more ground in 2016 than we were in 2015 and increasing our average on a gama by game basis so all this talk of physical fatigue is bollocks

I don't think we're knackered... far from it, we're still at this stage of the season one of the fittest team. Rotation is key to this and Pochettinho has been tactically clever and brilliant with the rotation.


Many twists and turns left.

My grandads diet consisted of corned beef, fish and chips on a Friday and about 8 pints of bitter every night, 8 cups of tea/coffee (3 sugars) of a day. He smoked 20 a day from the age of 12 and would consistently put blokes half his age to shame in the weekend 5/10k runs. There is a middle ground of course but I don't buy that drinking the milk of a pure bred cow or what form of vitamin C you ingest makes any significant difference in your physical condition. Nutrition matters, but not the extent Lemon is making out, sorry mate, but it's true.

“In my experience, many people who don’t have classic allergic reactions to cows’ milk protein nonetheless react badly to ordinary A1 cows’ milk (and products made from this), but can happily consume A2 milk without experiencing any of the same problems. Sensitivity to the opioid peptide BCM7, which is produced from A1 but not A2 milk, could help to explain why this is so. We still need much more research to find out which groups or individuals are sensitive to BCM7. The evidence suggests that this kind of intolerance to standard A1 cows’ milk could affect as many as 25% of the general population in the UK, Australia and New Zealand”.

Dr Alex Richardson, Senior Research Fellow, University of Oxford, UK

But I'm sure Tesco homogenised half fat will be fine for our £100M+ squad of assets.

Rotation needs to start earlier in the season.

I think you see the results of our Sport's scientists work via how lean our players are compared to those of say West Brom and Stoke but without losing power and strength.

What you just can't account for is mentality and emotional fatigue which will have a massive factor over how players bodies are reacting right now.

The will to win separates the men from the boys at squeaky bum time.

eViL said:

Rotation needs to start earlier in the season.

I think you see the results of our Sport's scientists work via how lean our players are compared to those of say West Brom and Stoke but without losing power and strength.

What you just can't account for is mentality and emotional fatigue which will have a massive factor over how players bodies are reacting right now.

The will to win separates the men from the boys at squeaky bum time.

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I think rotation will start earlier next season, but this year the early lack of it was a big reason for our form picking up imo. The core players had time to gel and the results followed.

mattbrakeuk said:

My grandads diet consisted of corned beef, fish and chips on a Friday and about 8 pints of bitter every night, 8 cups of tea/coffee (3 sugars) of a day. He smoked 20 a day from the age of 12 and would consistently put blokes half his age to shame in the weekend 5/10k runs. There is a middle ground of course but I don't buy that drinking the milk of a pure bred cow or what form of vitamin C you ingest makes any significant difference in your physical condition. Nutrition matters, but not the extent Lemon is making out, sorry mate, but it's true.

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Corned beef and onions on toast with melted butter...food of the Gods!

shelfmonkey said:

Interesting that Bournemouth have covered more kms than us so far this season, the game could end up a real snooze fest!!!!

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Big difference is the time between matches to recover - playing pretty much once a week allows plenty of time to recover so they won't get fatigued. We've been playing weekend-mid week-weekend most of the season and playing a high intensity game Spurs are not having enough time between games to recover fully, Its ok for a few weeks bit the effect is cumulative - and about now is the time of the season its catching up with us.