Chelsea sign Michy Batshuayi

Nigel Spinal said:

But then we'd lose Alli's goals and link-up play with Kane. Or the creativity of Eriksen and Lamela, and certainly their workrate.

A second striker doesn't mean a 12th player. It means you have to go 4 vs 5 in midfield

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nedley said:

I thought JJ was stating that Poch may look to have another 2 strikers on board this summer?

Or am I thinking of somebody else?

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razzmaster said:

Trix suggested we may look to bring in 2 forwards and JJ said no chance on Bats and Janssen

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THFCSPURS19 said:

Comparison article between Janssen and Batshuayi:

http://www.squawka.com/news/vincent...ho-is-the-better-signing-for-tottenham/691413

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Bus-Conductor said:

I think that's an odd article, it kind spends a lot of time telling us Jansson scores more goals, has a better range of finishes, has a more all round game that would suit is better, is better value then summarises by saying Batshuayi is possibly the better option.

Hedging their bets or what ?

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Ossie85 said:

It's all odd. Bad article altogether. The description of each player is way off

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E17yid said:

Out of curiosity how many full games have you seen of either player and what matches were they?

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Ossie85 said:

You clearly haven't seen him play. He's even more complete than Kane. He was the player with the most assists at Marseille. He had the better goal ratio of a sub the previous season where he played for Bielsa doing the high pressing we do in our team.
If there's one that suits us perfectly is Batshuayi

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Bus-Conductor said:

Here's a chalkboard comparison with Batshuayi in Marseille's 4-1 win against Bastia:
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Here's Kane in the 4-1 win against west Ham:

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buttons said:

Thats pretty much how we set up with the ball anyway i.e. Dier dropping in and the full backs taking up advanced positions. We rarely stick to a rigid 4-2-3-1.

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thaiyid said:

And when we have a corner 2 stay on the half way line and the other eight load the box, so would you say our formation is 2-8, no you wouldn't, we all know that formations change during a game and are flexible, a 3-5-2 is playing with 3 outright centre half's and playing with 2 centre forwards, Dier dropping back here and there is not setting out with a 3-5-2 formation.
Like i said the reasons team don't play with a definite 3-5-2 is because it doesn't work if it did everyone would be using it !, wow, Liverpool nearly won the League a few years ago with 3-4-2-1 a. that is not a 3-5-2, b. nearly being the operative word.
To be fair i don't even know why i'm discussing something that is never going to happen !!!

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Bus-Conductor said:

I've seen him play quite a few times, including live and there is no way you could call him more complete than Kane. He probably is less prone to make those stupid selfish decisions that Kane makes - choosing to shoot from daft positions when there are team mates better placed - and this may explain one of the reasons why Batshuayi has more assists than Kane, but he doesn't link play (per 90 min metrics - kane sees more ball, makes more than double the key passes Batshuayi does for example and created more chances), drop into channels and rough up defenders or work as hard as Kane without the ball (Kane makes more than 50% more tackles, over double the interceptions).

He was continually benched by Bielsa because the ageing, much slower Gignac was deemed a better fit for his system, and Gignac is actually much closer to Kane than Batshuayi in style.

Here's a chalkboard comparison with Batshuayi in Marseille's 4-1 win against Bastia:
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Here's Kane in the 4-1 win against west Ham:

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buttons said:

I can't work out whether you're agreeing with me or not but my point was that our system is very fluid. It might line up as a 4-2-3-1 on paper but in the game we'll change systems very often. Dier dropping in does make it a back 3 when we're attcking, equally when we don't have the ball it becomes more of a 4-1-4-1 type system. There is no such thing as a set formation in the modern game.

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• Pochettino believes in a 4-2-3-1 base with a high defensive line. He typically wants one of his midfielders to sit deeper than the other in order to protect the back line and to create multiple passing levels in the team’s shape.

thaiyid said:

While it is quite obvious that all the players move about and don't stay in a formation like a load of robots, every team basically has a set formation that is distinguishable while they playing, if you looked at any website that gives formations last season they would have had Spurs as a 4-2-3-1, now that doesn't mean that the full backs don't go forward and have to stand next to the the centre half all game but that generally they will be in the right back position.Incidently Spurs certainly did play in a 4-2-3-1 when we didn't have the ball not as a 4-1-4-1 as you noted.
Little extract for you :

What are the basics of Mauricio Pochettino’s tactics?
To begin, there are a few general things that can be said about it that will lay a nice foundation but not much more:

• Pochettino believes in a 4-2-3-1 base with a high defensive line. He typically wants one of his midfielders to sit deeper than the other in order to protect the back line and to create multiple passing levels in the team’s shape.

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