What's new

Stoke Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Sarsipius

Sarsipius

"Show me his legs"
Jan 18, 2005
3,227
5,525
It was a nice option being able to bring on Sissoko late in the game.

He worked hard and gave us that added strength and determination. Such a powerful player.

Used correctly, I'm sure he will be a very valuable addition for us.
 
shelfmonkey

shelfmonkey

Weird is different, different is interesting.
Mar 21, 2007
6,690
8,040
jolsnogross said:
Wanyama and Dier might well be quite similar, but they've only had 4 games to work on their partnership. There were plenty of people who used to think Dembele was often guilty of slowing us down and so forth, but once he had some games with Dier under his belt, things changed. So it's premature to be writing 'Dieryama' off right now and I've no doubt they'll play a lot together this season and improve over time.

I also think the slow start to the season until yesterday's second half is more about the 3 behind the striker than Dier+Wanyama. When the trio are taking an extra touch and standing still when receiving the ball, they don't look like any sort of threat. Not to mention just jogging around with and without possession. We create next to nothing when they're in that mode.

But then you include someone like Son or Sissoko (and hopefully Nkoudou) and things change. You have to live with the odd misplaced pass from them since they take more chances in terms of dribbling and challenging their markers. If one or two of them are on, they help make Alli, Eriksen, & Kane look better by opening things up. I was delighted for Son today; despite the odd awful pass or decision, he really got at his full back early on and made the world of difference in terms of unsettling their back line and generating the threat we've lacked so far this season.

Hopefully we're back in the groove now. And being able to switch from 4231 to 4141 so seamlessly could be a big deal for us this year.
Click to expand...

Dieryama sounds like some weird animal that lollops about on the African savanna! :oops:
 
Col_M

Col_M

Pointing out the Obvious
Feb 28, 2012
22,786
45,888
luRRka said:
The best bit for me was Walker started his run from our own goal line and still managed to get the ball from lamela and be the furthest player forward. Such desire
Click to expand...
And it wasn't a great pass from Lamela either


I'd like Walker to improve his crossing instead of pausing and turning back, early balls into the box maintain the momentum.
 
EllenAlex

EllenAlex

Well-Known Member
Jul 21, 2013
1,030
719
littlewilly said:
Thanks for that. As I recall, Ka Mate, has largely been ditched by the All Blacks. It's origin relates to a story of a leader (Te Rauparah) hiding from a war party from an opposing iwi in a kumara pit. Because he sat under the genitals of a woman, his opponents deduced that no self-respecting man would do such a thing and didn't look for him there.
Personally, I would follow the lead of the All Blacks and look for a more inspirational alternative.
Click to expand...

I did not know - thank you for the history. Although, redacting literature takes from the inspiration, in my eyes; not just in this situation.

Whilst I can't hide behind not knowing the implications, the original version and lyrics are directly correlated to the feeling i get when i experience them.

I blame the writers :(

Glory Glory Tottenham Hotspur still works for me, but it lacks the aggression I need when transmitting to the screen, and subsequently the crowd and players:unsure:
 
Vincent30

Vincent30

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
900
3,694
Not really sure why people are getting caught up with the Dier and Wanyama partnership. With our squad fully fit, no suspensions etc, these two will be fighting for the DM role, it won't be a common occurence to have both these partnered together. Our squad depth is superb now, you look at this team with Dembele in it, we have so many options and it's fantastic for Son to show how good a finisher he can be and hoepfully find the form pre foot injury.
 
M

Monkey boy

Well-Known Member
Jun 18, 2011
6,438
17,147
StartingPrice said:
I find it interesting that you should mention it in isolation. The interviewer on MOTD asked Mark Hughes about them not getting decisions obviously against Manchester Citeh and again today - what?

Stoke either benefited from incorrect decisions today, or where on the end of correct ones. Yet still they managed to whip up a fury among their fans and manager from a perceived sense of injustice and still the media won't just tell them to shut up because they actually benefited and the decisions they are moaning about were correct.

Son was fouled - but the ref wouldn't even think about a penalty. The accusation was that he went down a bit easy. Whether he did or not the Stoke player kicked him and didn't kick the ball. Still, rather than focusing on their good fortune that the ref wouldn't even consider it, they booed Son.

Wanyama won the ball when he was carded.

Astronautovich wasn't fouled - he did dive.

Officials are clamping down on the Hughes shenanigans - and the managers have been told this will happen.

Dele didn't dive, he was pushed in the back - and the Stoke player's boot was high on Kane (was it?) in the build up.

Wanyama, as others have argued, didn't actually move. It is the type of thing that is contentious and the player who wins the free-kick is usually said to have bought it a bit. A free-kick was just about acceptable - but not every free-kick needs a yellow. And IMHO that wasn't one.

Strangely enough, the Goons got a penalty in injury time today which allowed them to win - and even Ian Wright (actually a pretty honest pundit) says it was soft. Ho hum.
Click to expand...

What you have failed to mention here (very unlike you SP to miss out some detail) was that we were in possession of an extremely dangerous looking counter attack and if memory serves me right a 3 on 3 situation yet for some unknown and inexcusable reason he decided to call play back to book the bloke with the silly hair.

Ref really lost control of the game for a 10 minute period.
 
carpediem1906

carpediem1906

COYS singapore spurs
Sep 3, 2011
816
2,391
Col_M said:
And it wasn't a great pass from Lamela either


I'd like Walker to improve his crossing instead of pausing and turning back, early balls into the box maintain the momentum.
Click to expand...

On the contrary actually, the pass was perfectly weighted such that walker didn't have to break stride, took the defender out of the equation, and allows walker to look up and assess his options
 
carpediem1906

carpediem1906

COYS singapore spurs
Sep 3, 2011
816
2,391
Vincent30 said:
Not really sure why people are getting caught up with the Dier and Wanyama partnership. With our squad fully fit, no suspensions etc, these two will be fighting for the DM role, it won't be a common occurence to have both these partnered together. Our squad depth is superb now, you look at this team with Dembele in it, we have so many options and it's fantastic for Son to show how good a finisher he can be and hoepfully find the form pre foot injury.
Click to expand...

Although it looked as if lamela for wanyama opened the floodgates and seem like justification to not use dier n wanyama together, let's not forget that besides being a new partnership,
1) our front four hasn't been firing on all cylinders so it makes sense to be solid first (not concede) and then build from there
2) that solid base (where we didn't allow a clear shot on goal) has to be credited to dier n wanyama playing their parts too as part of the back 6
3) when wanyama was subbed, the game was opening up already anyway, as stoke chased the equaliser. And we punished them as they gave us acres of space on the width
4) Poch said we have a min of 20 games from now till xmas (16 weeks) n that so players will have to be rotated n we may still be seeing dier-wanyama in certain matches

So rather than bemoan the fact that dier wanyama yielded only one goal and that we looked dour, think of it as we are solid defensively first half and then have options now on the bench to come in n wreak havoc on teams in the last 20-30 mins.

I for one will put my faith in the managerial team in making wise decisions on personnel and tactics.
 
mpickard2087

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
21,898
32,601
Everlasting Seconds said:
Didn't see the match, which sort of formation did we utilise in the 2nd half/end the match with?
Click to expand...

Dier Alli
Sissoko Lamela Son
Janssen
​
Was how the match ended. Eriksen mainly played right with Alli in the.10 role first half, then Alli dropped back for the Wanyama sub with Lamela on taking up station on the right and Eriksen shifting to the middle, then Lamela went central with Sissoko right at 4-0 up when Eriksen was subbed. Janssen for Kane obviously a straight swap.
 
arunspurs

arunspurs

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
8,874
35,763
luRRka said:
The best bit for me was Walker started his run from our own goal line and still managed to get the ball from lamela and be the furthest player forward. Such desire
Click to expand...

Walker was like the Road runner...Fantastic
 
Gaz_Gammon

Gaz_Gammon

Well-Known Member
Apr 16, 2005
16,047
18,013
UpTownSpur said:
It should have been a second booking, but the ref knew that if he'd have given it and sent him off, then the MOTD pundits would have highlighted what a truly atrocious booking his first one was, when it wasn't even a foul.
Click to expand...


If it were Merson, Shearer, Hanson, Neville, Henry, or that prick Nicholas commenting than it would have been a red.

If it were anyone else they would have said fuck it, let em get on with it. To me it was a nothing incident and a thick Stoke player losing the ball in an attempt to get by Wanyama.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

carpediem991
Tottenham Hotspur Goals & Assists 2022/2023
2
Replies
31
Views
4K
carpediem991
carpediem991
chrissivad
Match Threads Pre Season: Colchester Vs Spurs: Match Thread
18 19 20
Replies
395
Views
36K
JimmyG2
J
carpediem991
Tottenham Hotspur Goals & Assists 2021/2022
2 3
Replies
53
Views
6K
carpediem991
carpediem991
Top