Where is Wimmer?

the shelf · Oct 7, 2016

I may be wrong him (purely speculating) but this has all the hallmarks of a Poch fallout to me - it happened with Bentaleb and to a certain extent with Adebayour, Kaboul and Capoue.

One minute they are flavour of the month and the next they do a disappearing act. I hope I am wrong because I think he has potential.

GutBucket · Oct 7, 2016

the shelf said:
I may be wrong him (purely speculating) but this has all the hallmarks of a Poch fallout to me - it happened with Bentaleb and to a certain extent with Adebayour, Kaboul and Capoue.

One minute they are flavour of the month and the next they do a disappearing act. I hope I am wrong because I think he has potential.

I thought so at first but not anymore. I think Poch believes that CCV is better, simple as that.

Damian99 · Oct 7, 2016

GutBucket said:
I thought so at first but not anymore. I think Poch believes that CCV is better, simple as that.

I fail to see how he's made that call and based on what we saw of Wimmer last season standing in for Verts i find even more odd. Please lets not talk about training - no team selection is based on training sessions pre match day.

EDIT - I should have put "purely" on training sessions - What on earth was it that got Ade picked week in and week out cos he did fuck all out on the pitch, he must have been fucking Lionel Messi and Ronaldo all rolled in to one in training.

Gb160 · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
I fail to see how he's made that call and based on what we saw of Wimmer last season standing in for Verts i find even more odd. Please lets not talk about training - no team selection is based on training sessions pre match day.

What on earth do u think it's based on then?

jurgen · Oct 7, 2016

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thelak · Oct 7, 2016

the shelf said:
I may be wrong him (purely speculating) but this has all the hallmarks of a Poch fallout to me - it happened with Bentaleb and to a certain extent with Adebayour, Kaboul and Capoue.

One minute they are flavour of the month and the next they do a disappearing act. I hope I am wrong because I think he has potential.

He played in our last league cup game

Bobbins · Oct 7, 2016

Gb160 said:
Yeah you're right actually, it was Southgate who said that so that can be filed under 'probably bollocks'.

This is the same Southgate who thought Dier wasn't good enough for the U-21's two summers ago!

npearl4spurs · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
I fail to see how he's made that call and based on what we saw of Wimmer last season standing in for Verts i find even more odd. Please lets not talk about training - no team selection is based on training sessions pre match day.

You do realize this guy was the guy that said you sign a contract to train, right?

Luka Van der Bale · Oct 7, 2016

the shelf said:
I may be wrong him (purely speculating) but this has all the hallmarks of a Poch fallout to me - it happened with Bentaleb and to a certain extent with Adebayour, Kaboul and Capoue.

One minute they are flavour of the month and the next they do a disappearing act. I hope I am wrong because I think he has potential.

I don't think so. I think Poch just doesn't rotate the CBs other than the domestic sups - he clearly believes the CBs can play more matches than other positions. It was exactly the same story last season, with Wimmer only playing when Vert was injured.

Damian99 said:
I fail to see how he's made that call and based on what we saw of Wimmer last season standing in for Verts i find even more odd. Please lets not talk about training - no team selection is based on training sessions pre match day.

Seriously? This is just incorrect.

npearl4spurs · Oct 7, 2016

First off, let me say that I really like Wimmer and I was impressed by his play standing in for Vertonghen last season. But the truth we should be seeing is that if Poch, who was a really good CB, thinks that CCV deserves to be the third CB and is better than Wimmer, who many on this site rate higher than Vertonghen, already at 18 years old, then we have a all the makings of a potentially world class CB on our hands - either just below Alderweireld level or approaching. Now that should get a Spurs fan just as excited if not more than the Edwards-Messi comparison.

THFCSPURS19 · Oct 7, 2016

the shelf said:
I may be wrong him (purely speculating) but this has all the hallmarks of a Poch fallout to me - it happened with Bentaleb and to a certain extent with Adebayour, Kaboul and Capoue.

One minute they are flavour of the month and the next they do a disappearing act. I hope I am wrong because I think he has potential.

Vertonghen has started all the PL and CL matches, and Wimmer played in the EFL Cup- did you expect any different?

Damian99 · Oct 7, 2016

Gb160 said:
What on earth do u think it's based on then?

Without never ever witnessing one single training session Spurs have and bar injuries and transfers - i am willing to wager i can more or less give the the starting 11 and the bench for our last game of this season, regardless of training sessions.

Gb160 · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
Without never ever witnessing one single training session Spurs have and bar injuries and transfers - i am willing to wager i can more or less give the the starting 11 and the bench for our last game of this season, regardless of training sessions.

That's nice, but doesn't answer my question.

Damian99 · Oct 7, 2016

Gb160 said:
That's nice, but doesn't answer my question.

Lets be right do you think no matter how well Vorm performs in training compared to Lloris he's ever going to be selected ahead of him? No of course he isn't.

Training becomes about getting the players fitness levels up, working with them, improving them, preparing them for the next game ahead - it will have very little influence on a managers selection process as i have pointed out above, i could name you the 11 Poch will more or less select for the last game of this season. Poch knows exactly who he wants to start every game and unless someone is having a serious negative impact upon the team it's a given who starts, what goes on in training will not effect Pochs selection or thought process. If he feels someone like CCV is ready to start over Wimmer it won't be because of how the pair of performed in training.

Opposition - Form - injuries - tiredness - resting players for certain cup games will ALL have more relevance to a team selection than any training sessions will.

Gb160 · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
Lets be right do you think no matter how well Vorm performs in training compared to Lloris he's ever going to be selected ahead of him? No of course he isn't.

Training becomes about getting the players fitness levels up, working with them, improving them, preparing them for the next game ahead - it will have very little influence on a managers selection process as i have pointed out about, i could name you the 11 Poch will more or less select for the last game of this season. Poch knows exactly who he wants to start every game and unless someone is having a serious negative impact upon the team, what goes on in training will not effect Pochs selection or though process.

How long have u worked at the club?

Damian99 · Oct 7, 2016

Gb160 said:
How long have u worked at the club?

Same length of time as you have?? Lets put it to the test then? How can i basically name the starting 11 Poch will select (as near as dam it) for the last game of this season? If training session have any real bearing on his thought or selection process?

Gb160 · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
Same length of time as you have?? Lets put it to the test then? How can i basically name the starting 11 Poch will select (as near as dam it) for the last game of this season? If training session have any real bearing on his thought or selection process?

Because your not taking into consideration that maybe, Pochs preferred 11 is actually made up of players who give 110% in every single session.
As you say, you've never seen a training session, so you haven't got a clue.

Luka Van der Bale · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
Same length of time as you have?? Lets put it to the test then? How can i basically name the starting 11 Poch will select (as near as dam it) for the last game of this season? If training session have any real bearing on his thought or selection process?

Because you know Pochettino's preferences with regards to team selection, as we all do from observing him pick Spurs sides over the last two and a bit seasons. But that is irrelevant to whether or not Pochettino takes training into account with team selection.

Let me give you a clue: he fucking does. He's said it himself. You denying that is illogical.

Damian99 · Oct 7, 2016

Gb160 said:
Because your not taking into consideration that maybe, Pochs preferred 11 is actually made up of players who give 110% in every single session.
As you say, you've never seen a training session, so you haven't got a clue.

Then you can't have a clue either, cos nor have you. Do you seriously believe training session inbetween match days has such an impact upon his starting 11 for the next game?? I am sure they all work hard in training, if not they will be shipped out.

Luka Van der Bale · Oct 7, 2016

Damian99 said:
Then you can't have a clue either, cos nor have you. Do you seriously believe training session inbetween match days has such an impact upon his starting 11 for the next game?? I am sure they all work hard in training, if not they will be shipped out.

You're failing to see the point here. Your logic is that because you know Pochettino's favourite team, his team selection is irrelevant to what goes on in training. Those two points are independent of one another.

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