Ched Evans Jailed...

WalkerboyUK · Oct 14, 2016

thinktank said:
So now what happens to the girl who falsely accused him and tried to ruin his and his family's lives?

She was granted a life-long anonymity.... Nothing changes for her.
She will be gutted that she lost the case and possibly learn not to get quite so drunk and sleep around.

The reports are that she's had to change her name and move numerous times because of the backlash over the original court decision.
So.... if that's the case, she will presumably file harassment charges???
Unless of course she just got herself a bit of a reputation for sleeping around....

thinktank · Oct 14, 2016

Disconosebleed said:
The fictional girl that you've just plucked out of the sky? I imagine you can just forget about her mate. The woman involved in this case doesn't fit that description.

What you on about??

dontcallme · Oct 14, 2016

brasil_spur said:
And in the court case his lawyer didn't see fit at any point to ask her directly as to whether she thought she had been raped? Or he did ask her and she said she didn't know?

Even then if she was asked and she said she didn't know, for me that's the same thing - she's lied, knowing that it could result in the conviction of Ched Evans for rape.

I have no idea and by the sounds of it neither do you.

brasil_spur · Oct 14, 2016

dontcallme said:
I have no idea and by the sounds of it neither do you.

I don't, but it seems impossible for someone to be convicted of a crime for which there is no evidence and for which the person who the crime was convicted against to not have made any accusation whatsoever of a crime.

I can't see the police deciding that there was sufficient cause to take this case to court given the complete lack of evidence without her making accusations, so therefore for me it seems that she must have made some kind of statement which at least heavily implied that she had been raped by Evans.

dontcallme · Oct 14, 2016

brasil_spur said:
I don't, but it seems impossible for someone to be convicted of a crime for which there is no evidence and for which the person who the crime was convicted against to not have made any accusation whatsoever of a crime.

I can't see the police deciding that there was sufficient cause to take this case to court given the complete lack of evidence without her making accusations, so therefore for me it seems that she must have made some kind of statement which at least heavily implied that she had been raped by Evans.

Depends on what the plan for conviction was.

If the prosecution was relying on the girl's word and she lied then you have a point. But you have no idea on the manner in which she was questioned.

Everything I have read suggests the initial case concentrated on the fact that Evans got a message from his mate saying he was with a pissed girl. He borrowed keys to the room and went in to have sex with her despite never having had any contact with her beforehand.

The debate was on whether that was enough for a rape conviction.

But people like you are just arguing the cliches and stereotypes and not the facts of this particular case.

I don't know the manner she was questioned in and neither do you.

tototoner · Oct 14, 2016

Everything I have read about the history of this is that the police / CPS pushed the original rape allocation and not the woman involved, although seems she didn't do a lot to stop the legal bandwagon rolling

Monkey boy · Oct 14, 2016

Wonder if Jessica Ennis and the other knicker wetters will issue an apology? Doubt it

MattyP · Oct 14, 2016

Monkey boy said:
Wonder if Jessica Ennis and the other knicker wetters will issue an apology? Doubt it

Wonder if Sheffield United will name part of their stadium after him in a few years time.

Something like "The Ched Evans One Night Stand"?

Too soon? In bad taste?

Spurrific · Oct 14, 2016

thinktank said:
So now what happens to the girl who falsely accused him and tried to ruin his and his family's lives?

This girl has outright said that she doesn't know if she was raped, but has said that she does not remember giving consent. As much as it pains the frothing-at-the-mouth neanderthals that are desperate to see her persecuted, Ched Evans being found "Not Guilty" doesn't mean that he didn't do it. It doesn't mean that, at all. It means that the jury did not feel that there was enough evidence to convict him.

To me, he has said he never spoke to the girl and he had sex with her. In what world could anything in that scenario constitute her giving consent - I'm not a legal expert though, so fucked if I know how any decision was made.

I'm willing to accept that he might not have committed the crime and I hope he didn't. However, the vilification of this woman that has followed is detestable and demonstrates precisely why a lot of women that are legitimately raped don't feel brave enough to speak out. Some men make this planet such a hostile place for women (as do some women for men obvs) and whilst ardent feminists are jarring bastards most of the time, something does need to change - everybody has the right to feel safe. Actual rapists are the ones making it so that men are scared of being accused whilst women are afraid of being raped. I'm not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, but it is upsetting to think of people's mothers, daughters, wives and partners being out there and scared that some scum bag might sexually abuse her - and if it were to happen and she were to speak out - she can have her reputation and name dragged through the mud.

Targeting the woman because of the not guilty verdict is deplorable, people need to understand that whilst he has been found not guilty, that doesn't mean that this girl isn't out there legitimately believing that she has been raped - and I wouldn't like to imagine how that feels.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 14, 2016

Monkey boy said:
Wonder if Jessica Ennis and the other knicker wetters will issue an apology? Doubt it

Not sure why they should. He was a convicted rapist when they made the comments.

markiespurs · Oct 14, 2016

dontcallme said:
After the night out she went to police to say she couldn't remember what happened the night before and she awoke alone in a hotel room. She asked them to check if her drink had been spiked and on investigation the police believed they had enough for a rape charge against Evans.

If that's true, then it sounds like the Police went on a massive fishing expedition, something they are doing far to often these days.

Monkey boy · Oct 14, 2016

talkshowhost86 said:
Not sure why they should. He was a convicted rapist when they made the comments.

And now he's proven not to be, do you think they should at least retract or publically acknowledge it?

They played a major part in not letting him rejoin society for serving time for a crime he didn't commit.

ghjk_91 · Oct 14, 2016

Spurrific said:
This girl has outright said that she doesn't know if she was raped, but has said that she does not remember giving consent. As much as it pains the frothing-at-the-mouth neanderthals that are desperate to see her persecuted, Ched Evans being found "Not Guilty" doesn't mean that he didn't do it. It doesn't mean that, at all. It means that the jury did not feel that there was enough evidence to convict him.

To me, he has said he never spoke to the girl and he had sex with her. In what world could anything in that scenario constitute her giving consent - I'm not a legal expert though, so fucked if I know how any decision was made.

I'm willing to accept that he might not have committed the crime and I hope he didn't. However, the vilification of this woman that has followed is detestable and demonstrates precisely why a lot of women that are legitimately raped don't feel brave enough to speak out. Some men make this planet such a hostile place for women (as do some women for men obvs) and whilst ardent feminists are jarring bastards most of the time, something does need to change - everybody has the right to feel safe. Actual rapists are the ones making it so that men are scared of being accused whilst women are afraid of being raped. I'm not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, but it is upsetting to think of people's mothers, daughters, wives and partners being out there and scared that some scum bag might sexually abuse her - and if it were to happen and she were to speak out - she can have her reputation and name dragged through the mud.

Targeting the woman because of the not guilty verdict is deplorable, people need to understand that whilst he has been found not guilty, that doesn't mean that this girl isn't out there legitimately believing that she has been raped - and I wouldn't like to imagine how that feels.

I'd give this a hundred winner ratings if I could. Spot on.

WalkerboyUK · Oct 14, 2016

Spurrific said:
thinktank said:

So now what happens to the girl who falsely accused him and tried to ruin his and his family's lives?

Click to expand...

This girl has outright said that she doesn't know if she was raped, but has said that she does not remember giving consent. As much as it pains the frothing-at-the-mouth neanderthals that are desperate to see her persecuted, Ched Evans being found "Not Guilty" doesn't mean that he didn't do it. It doesn't mean that, at all. It means that the jury did not feel that there was enough evidence to convict him.

To me, he has said he never spoke to the girl and he had sex with her. In what world could anything in that scenario constitute her giving consent - I'm not a legal expert though, so fucked if I know how any decision was made.

I'm willing to accept that he might not have committed the crime and I hope he didn't. However, the vilification of this woman that has followed is detestable and demonstrates precisely why a lot of women that are legitimately raped don't feel brave enough to speak out. Some men make this planet such a hostile place for women (as do some women for men obvs) and whilst ardent feminists are jarring bastards most of the time, something does need to change - everybody has the right to feel safe. Actual rapists are the ones making it so that men are scared of being accused whilst women are afraid of being raped. I'm not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, but it is upsetting to think of people's mothers, daughters, wives and partners being out there and scared that some scum bag might sexually abuse her - and if it were to happen and she were to speak out - she can have her reputation and name dragged through the mud.

Targeting the woman because of the not guilty verdict is deplorable, people need to understand that whilst he has been found not guilty, that doesn't mean that this girl isn't out there legitimately believing that she has been raped - and I wouldn't like to imagine how that feels.

All valid points... But....
Let's not forget the third party, McDonald...
He claimed from the start that he asked this girl if Ched Evans could join in.

I maintain my earlier question - if McDonald was cleared of rape, how was Evans ever convicted on the basis that she was in no fit state to consent?!?!?

Evans turned up a lot later, so surely she was sobering up, or she was also too drunk to have legitimately consented to sex with McDonald.

Maybe I'm just being too simplistic.

DIEHARD · Oct 14, 2016

Im not sure on law but why in any sexual case etc can't they provide annonimity until the case has reached a conclusion.

The woman has annonymity but not the guy... just fucking ridiculous. I dont know whether she is lying or they simply can't go beyond reasonable double, i dont have the facts to hand but what i do know is its a disgrace the guy has wasted a few years and most likely reputation tarnished and career pushed back by a few years not to mention huge loss of earnings.

rich75 · Oct 14, 2016

Spurrific said:
I'm not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, but it is upsetting to think of people's mothers, daughters, wives and partners being out there and scared that some scum bag might sexually abuse her - and if it were to happen and she were to speak out - she can have her reputation and name dragged through the mud.

Targeting the woman because of the not guilty verdict is deplorable, people need to understand that whilst he has been found not guilty, that doesn't mean that this girl isn't out there legitimately believing that she has been raped - and I wouldn't like to imagine how that feels.

Really ? A feminist is someone who believes men and women should be treated equally. I'd have put you down as that ?

nailsy · Oct 14, 2016

WalkerboyUK said:
All valid points... But....
Let's not forget the third party, McDonald...
He claimed from the start that he asked this girl if Ched Evans could join in.

I maintain my earlier question - if McDonald was cleared of rape, how was Evans ever convicted on the basis that she was in no fit state to consent?!?!?

Evans turned up a lot later, so surely she was sobering up, or she was also too drunk to have legitimately consented to sex with McDonald.

Maybe I'm just being too simplistic.

Haven't you ever taken a bottle of booze into a hotel room?

malin · Oct 14, 2016

brasil_spur said:
And in the court case his lawyer didn't see fit at any point to ask her directly as to whether she thought she had been raped? Or he did ask her and she said she didn't know?

Even then if she was asked and she said she didn't know, for me that's the same thing - she's lied, knowing that it could result in the conviction of Ched Evans for rape.

Why would you assume that if she stated she didn't know that means she was lying?

WalkerboyUK · Oct 14, 2016

nailsy said:
Haven't you ever taken a bottle of booze into a hotel room?

Personally.... No

Spurrific · Oct 14, 2016

rich75 said:
Really ? A feminist is someone who believes men and women should be treated equally. I'd have put you down as that ?

It's funny you should pick that part out, I have been thinking about that bit since I made the post. I would agree, I suppose I am a feminist.

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