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ardiles

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Most of our "assumed" targets are still with their current clubs, so there's still hope.

It's always preferable to get our new signings in early but sometimes it's not in our hands as the selling club and/or the player may want to wait for better options.

Anyway, it's been greatly surmised that most (if not all) of our potential incomings would be to strengthen our bench (not the first 11) so it's not really a big loss if we do our transfers right, even if it takes a bit longer than some of our other rivals in signing new players.

There's also the issue of outgoings. If we can't get good fees for outgoings, then we will end up with a bloated squad.
 
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Stoof said:
Pochettino picks players each week depending on how they've trained. Is that not obvious? Why would you rashly go and buy a player if you think you may have the solution in your squad?

It's not outrageous at all, given it's exactly how our manager does things. Ha!
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He has had the entire season to make that determination. 3-4 training sessions per week. Why would he wait until preseason fir the penny to drop.

Nope sorry Stoof have to give you a disagree...the equivalent of a red card. :banhappy:
 
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piedpiper said:
He has had the entire season to make that determination. 3-4 training sessions per week. Why would he wait until preseason fir the penny to drop.

Nope sorry Stoof have to give you a disagree...the equivalent of a red card. :banhappy:
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Ok pal - just check the Agrees on my post that you first quoted, that might change your mind. ;)
 
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ardiles said:
Most of our "assumed" targets are still with their current clubs, so there's still hope.

It's always preferable to get our new signings in early but sometimes it's not in our hands as the selling club and/or the player may want to wait for better options.

Anyway, it's been greatly surmised that most (if not all) of our potential incomings would be to strengthen our bench (not the first 11) so it's not really a big loss if we do our transfers right, even if it takes a bit longer than some of our other rivals in signing new players.

There's also the issue of outgoings. If we can't get good fees for outgoings, then we will end up with a bloated squad.
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Our Squad has not got strength in depth enough to challenge on both fronts. First eleven LLoris, Tripps,Verts,Alds,Dier,Davies, Wanyama, Dembele, Ali, Eriksen, and Kane. Then we have Rose ,Winks and Lamela injured. Leaves Son, Janssen, Sissoko, NocanDo, Vorm, Wimmer, Carter-Vickers and Onamah. So what's your view on the above? I believe it is not strong enough to challenge on both fronts. And that's hoping no injuries mid- season
 
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I think it's called "reassessment".

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He would/should have assessed his squad during the season and identified targets then... Not wait until now to reassess his options...:cautious:

Oh i fear A&C ban stick for veing off point. Lets leave this one here.
 
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Trix said:
While I agree to an extent, you have to remember the age of our team. It's not like any of our first team are close to being on the decline, which is the case for the vast majority of teams. There will be incomings, but as has been said already. We are far from desperate, which lost of our rivals are.
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I agree we're not desperate. My point was more about mindset rather than the physical condition or age of the team. The best teams continue to recruit to stave off complacency and keep the existing players from becoming too comfortable. A lack of competition for places is not healthy. We require better squad options to keep the first teamers on their toes. And those squad players should absolutely have a chance of forcing themselves into 1st team contention if they play/train well.
 
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Stoof said:
Pochettino picks players each week depending on how they've trained. Is that not obvious? Why would you rashly go and buy a player if you think you may have the solution in your squad?

It's not outrageous at all, given it's exactly how our manager does things. Ha!
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If, as you suggest, Poch believes he already "has the solution in the squad", why is the club actively seeking other targets? ITKs have frequently and consistently stated that Poch wants Barkley and a replacement for Walker. And with the exception of Sissoko, I can't imagine that Levy could ever be accused of buying "rashly".
 
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Any Sunday scoops? Don't look like it.

One or two further preseason injuries will be inevitable, so we can expect to see the word makeshift to describe our starting eleven less than a month from today. No Club finishing as high as we did last season should be sleepwalking towards such a scenario...
 
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If, as you suggest, Poch believes he already "has the solution in the squad", why is the club actively seeking other targets?
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In summers gone by we'd be well over 100 on ITK updates. We're hovering around 25. That itself is an indication of activity. My interpretation is different, our approach is a lot more circumspect rather than desperate and from that I read contentment. There's no barrage of press articles.

ITKs have frequently and consistently stated that Poch wants Barkley and a replacement for Walker.
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Not sure where the "Poch wants" element of this comes from. For me Barkley is a classic Levy suggestion, young player at opportune moment in his career with time to run down on his contract and selling club under pressure to do something. It's hardly a cacophony of ITK and substantial press coverage.

And with the exception of Sissoko, I can't imagine that Levy could ever be accused of buying "rashly".
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My post said "why would you go out and rashly buy a player" in a situation where you don't think you need one. It was hypothetical. But I agree with your statement.
 
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GetSpurredOn said:
There has been repeated ITK and media stories, that Poch buys players to train, not to play. Selection is based on what they do in training. Squad players is a myth. Players come in and create their own squad status based on what they do in training. They don't get pidgeon holed upon arrival.
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Sissoko must then be 12th best trainer in the squad. :sneaky:
 
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As well as identifying the right players who we can afford, and looking at players in the last year of their contract to get a bargain, I translated that as waiting for the right moment to make your move. After the money clubs have done their business and clubs/agents know that they are far less likely to get an over inflated fee anymore.

We certainly have always tried to do that, but the results recently were mixed and that seemed to be due to Baldini/Mitchell recommending the wrong players. Hopefully Hitchen is a better at finding Poch some players he likes.
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JJ rated this 'agree'
 
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Stoof said:
In summers gone by we'd be well over 100 on ITK updates. We're hovering around 25. That itself is an indication of activity. My interpretation is different, our approach is a lot more circumspect rather than desperate and from that I read contentment. There's no barrage of press articles.



Not sure where the "Poch wants" element of this comes from. For me Barkley is a classic Levy suggestion, young player at opportune moment in his career with time to run down on his contract and selling club under pressure to do something. It's hardly a cacophony of ITK and substantial press coverage.



My post said "why would you go out and rashly buy a player" in a situation where you don't think you need one. It was hypothetical. But I agree with your statement.
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You're right it's not "a cacophony of ITK" but it's pretty sustained and harmonious, with all our top ITKs singing from the same hymn sheet. And as many have indicated, the Club's determination to crack down on leaked info could account for the reduction in updates. Here's just a selection form Trix, Ali Z, and Hertyid:
"As we all know the Poch gameplan asks a lot of the full-backs so we will need four first team players rotating throughout the season. KWP will definitely start to feature though."
"Told we are wanting 2 in, that obviously becomes more if there are outgoings."
"Told Walker nearly done , RB in too replace pretty sure is Perriera".
That all sounds pretty emphatic to me. And if his manager believes the squad is complete,I can't imagine that Levy would ever look to expend time, energy, and more importantly money on a pointless and redundant recruitiment process. Levy isn't about to buy players just for shit and giggles, is he mate!
 
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why didn't he assess the group and have a clear view at the end of last season instead of preseason? Really?

Maybe the fact that he is dealing with a very young group of players who are constantly evolving? Maybe last years KWP had two full backs ahead of him in the pecking order blocking his path, this preseason after a pretty bloody good summer on his part and the potential of now only one full back in his path might put an extra spring in his step - who knows - maybe his summer might have added real belief to his game, same with onamah (sp).

Similarly some might have regressed - until you assess you don't know and during a season like last season they would have been taking their eye off the ball if they were spending time assessing instead of prepping for games. So now is the time to assess. The kids are one season older as are the established players. All need assessing and after a summer break it's good to see who has gone buck fucking wild over the summer like Ricky Hatton between fights, and who has acted like a professional.

Also the teams who were behind us had to buy, (because they were behind us) and there's no guarantee they have invested that wisely (Man Utd lukaku? Good striker tbf but they had one of them last year in ibra- so they have swapped like for like).

Patience is a virtue.

I know it's off topic slightly but needed saying
 
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Teddy Klinsmann said:
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Fake news : Suso, Meyer, Marhez, Kovacic.

Only looking to bring in players that can improve first 11. Pereira possible.

Walker - No player should mess with Poch. His exit has not left any unrest with other players.
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So messing with Poch gets you a £50m move to City, a few million in signing on fees, more chances of winning trophies and you double or triple your wages. I doubt he's concerned about messing with Poch in this instance.

Being sold to Watford or Hull I get, but this was a win situation for Walker and not a punishment.
 
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