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jedimonkey

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I don't think so mate. I think we heard Poch didn't veto the signing of Sissoko, because he wanted a "wide, paced forward". But apparently, he was far from his first choice.

I never said he was first choice. I do remember JJ saying that Poch wanted him though, probably because his first choice didn't happen.
 

lol

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im surprised levy didnt have pereira tied up before letting walker go.

i mean with all that haggling and "hes hard to negotiate with" stuff going on cant believe he left himself short like this
 

Spurzinho

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why didn't he assess the group and have a clear view at the end of last season instead of preseason? Really?

Maybe the fact that he is dealing with a very young group of players who are constantly evolving? Maybe last years KWP had two full backs ahead of him in the pecking order blocking his path, this preseason after a pretty bloody good summer on his part and the potential of now only one full back in his path might put an extra spring in his step - who knows - maybe his summer might have added real belief to his game, same with onamah (sp).

Similarly some might have regressed - until you assess you don't know and during a season like last season they would have been taking their eye off the ball if they were spending time assessing instead of prepping for games. So now is the time to assess. The kids are one season older as are the established players. All need assessing and after a summer break it's good to see who has gone buck fucking wild over the summer like Ricky Hatton between fights, and who has acted like a professional.

Also the teams who were behind us had to buy, (because they were behind us) and there's no guarantee they have invested that wisely (Man Utd lukaku? Good striker tbf but they had one of them last year in ibra- so they have swapped like for like).

Patience is a virtue.

I know it's off topic slightly but needed saying

I'm not a Lukaku fan, he was billed, in his early days, as the next Drogba but that is so wide of the mark. Drogba was an all round centre forward, Lukaku is less of a natural goal scorer, less of a target man and certainly less of a link player. Lukaku is, and this could prove controversial, an upmarket Darren Bent. He's about direct running in behind (he needs space - without it he looks hopeless), he creates very few chances for himself (i.e - he needs dedicated suppliers behind him), he is not clinical with the chances that he gets (which means he can be a liability in tight games when chances are at a premium) and he offers very little defensively (which means more burden falling on the rest of the team.). Ironically I don't think that's a bad fit, per se, for a Mourinho team. Mourinho generally sets his teams up in a supremely structured way which creates plenty of cover for expressive final third players but also plenty of room to move around in. That could suit Lukaku down to the ground. So, as I say, am I jealous of them signing Lukaku? not at all. Am I amprehensive? A bit.
 

Stoof

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You're right it's not "a cacophony of ITK" but it's pretty sustained and harmonious, with all our top ITKs singing from the same hymn sheet. And as many have indicated, the Club's determination to crack down on leaked info could account for the reduction in updates. Here's just a selection form Trix, Ali Z, and Hertyid:
"As we all know the Poch gameplan asks a lot of the full-backs so we will need four first team players rotating throughout the season. KWP will definitely start to feature though."
"Told we are wanting 2 in, that obviously becomes more if there are outgoings."
"Told Walker nearly done , RB in too replace pretty sure is Perriera".
That all sounds pretty emphatic to me. And if his manager believes the squad is complete,I can't imagine that Levy would ever look to expend time, energy, and more importantly money on a pointless and redundant recruitiment process. Levy isn't about to buy players just for shit and giggles, is he mate!

John, if I'm honest (and I've been helping out with this particular section of the site for a good 10 years), I still think you're attaching far too much weight to all the ITK. "Pretty emphatic" is not how I'd describe anything. Especially as some of that is old stuff you're quoting. The chaps can't decide if Trippier is the number 1 or whether there is going to be a "replacement". And the only other first teamer being touted is Barkley.

I disagree - Levy will absolutely buy a player if the conditions are right and a product is either currently undervalued or has pure investment value especially given the coaching ability of his manager. Deliberate use of "product" there.

For me - and I don't think this is speaking out of turn or against any info we've had - we are looking for options should Poch decide it necessary after an assessment of his squad ready for the new season. It's a young squad that improves all the time, so it makes sense that no decisions to bring in new players for the sake of it are made just yet as the situation is extremely fluid.
 

tommyt

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There is a serious lack of reflection on the information from those with inside information.

What has been said several times is that we are interested in signing players, but we will not be held to ransom by agents and their demands.

As such, we need to wait until the heavy-hitters have completed their business so that we have more leverage.

There are probably several teams who can pay more money for our targets in the positions we require. Once they fill those, we step in.

Yes, we might lose out on occasions, but we have to be prudent for several reasons: stadium, wage structure and squad harmony as well as maintaining the consistency of our principled approach, so we aren't bent over a barrel by agents and chairmen who think our approach is a bluff.

I'm fine with this, but accept others frustrations.
 
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John, if I'm honest (and I've been helping out with this particular section of the site for a good 10 years), I still think you're attaching far too much weight to all the ITK. "Pretty emphatic" is not how I'd describe anything. Especially as some of that is old stuff you're quoting. The chaps can't decide if Trippier is the number 1 or whether there is going to be a "replacement". And the only other first teamer being touted is Barkley.

I disagree - Levy will absolutely buy a player if the conditions are right and a product is either currently undervalued or has pure investment value especially given the coaching ability of his manager. Deliberate use of "product" there.

For me - and I don't think this is speaking out of turn or against any info we've had - we are looking for options should Poch decide it necessary after an assessment of his squad ready for the new season. It's a young squad that improves all the time, so it makes sense that no decisions to bring in new players for the sake of it are made just yet as the situation is extremely fluid.
Thanks mate, yeah that makes a lot of sense to me. I just hope that, if that is the case, it's absolutely a decision driving by Poch, and not a situation imposed on him. I think we desperately need to keep him happy mate. For me, he's the best thing to happen to our Club in a long, long time.
 

thefierycamel

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Doesn't sound like we're close to signing anyone at all. I know patience is a virtue but I can't imagine that the squad and coaching staff are all that pleased.
 

longtimespur

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I certainly don't want any panic buying from DL just to appease those on here who are doing enough panicking of their own
 

Archibald&Crooks

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I see the ITK we've had isn't worthy of discussion so people are just making stuff up as a filler.

I look forward to the whinge threads.
 

Gbspurs

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Of course Everton are going to stretch Barkley out. They have already sold a major asset meaning they don't need the cash and aslong as the transfer window is open there is always a chance that us or someone else gets desperate enough to give them what they want.

Got deadline day written all over it. I'll donate a tenner if he signs and £20 if its before deadline day.
 

piedpiper

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There is a serious lack of reflection on the information from those with inside information.

What has been said several times is that we are interested in signing players, but we will not be held to ransom by agents and their demands.

As such, we need to wait until the heavy-hitters have completed their business so that we have more leverage.

There are probably several teams who can pay more money for our targets in the positions we require. Once they fill those, we step in.

Yes, we might lose out on occasions, but we have to be prudent for several reasons: stadium, wage structure and squad harmony as well as maintaining the consistency of our principled approach, so we aren't bent over a barrel by agents and chairmen who think our approach is a bluff.

I'm fine with this, but accept others frustrations.

I don't for one minute buy the line that sooo many posters spout... We waiting for the heavy hitters and then we will make our move..... Why is it that Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal do not apply this approach... Unless they factored in as top teams.

This not directed at you personally but were we waiting for the heavy hitters before bidding and buying Sissoko.

I would like to debunk this theory. It is absolute hogwash.
 

bigfrooj

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Nov 11, 2011
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Spurs are in a very healthy position having a settled team with no urgency to fill any gaps except possibly back up right back. DL is looking at the stupid ridiculously inflated market and he will refuse to get sucked into it, so yes it is a waiting game for us supporters. If KWP has a good pre-season it is quite possible there will be no additions at all. Patience.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I don't for one minute buy the line that sooo many posters spout... We waiting for the heavy hitters and then we will make our move..... Why is it that Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal do not apply this approach... Unless they factored in as top teams.

This not directed at you personally but were we waiting for the heavy hitters before bidding and buying Sissoko.

I would like to debunk this theory. It is absolute hogwash.
Can be related to salaries this summer. Waiting til clubs who'd enjoy paying 120-130-140K a week have done their dealings, and then looking around to see which players are fine with 70-75-80K a week once that's the only option.
 

Blackrat1299

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Where would our transfer committee be without all these advisors, no wonder they have trouble in deciding!
 

scottlag10

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Well it has been well reported on here before that we have to sell before we buy. Since the last 'break even' window we have sold Bentaleb, Njie, Fazio and Walker so potentially we have £70m to spend. Now considering in recent years we have only approx. a 1 in 3 success rate on purchases, that £70m has to be spent wisely. To counter this I'm sure someone produced stats last week that our earlier signings have been statistically proved to be more successful in recent seasons.
PS I for one am grateful for any ITK shared on here.
 
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