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He does look really good in that. He doesn't look any slighter than Woodburn and he's making waves internationally now - basically what I'm saying is, get rid of Dembele and play TOB
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is by far the most likely to be "The next Harry Kane" for us? He's got a bit of everything. He's a step ahead of his opponent both in body and in mind. I like Marcus Edwards, but if I had to choose one or the other, it's this guy for me all day long
Poch seems to absolutely love him, but I wasn't overly impressed when I saw him last year (at either youth level) and was left a bit disappointed as I'd expected big things. Hoping to see him play some football soon so I can 'check' on his progress, as he has undoubtedly fantastic ability.
It will be interesting to see how Sancho gets on at Dortmund. There a few ITKs who seem to think that we are "doing a Fryers" and he will come to us in January, but I'm not convinced a team like Dortmund would do that for us, especially as he was given the number 7 shirt, they just sign a lot of good young players.
Saying that though, they didn't register him for the CL, choosing to register Isak instead.
People need to relax a tad when it comes to the intergration of our youth into the senoir side. All of these lads are still very young and if they were in a North American sports, they'd all still be at an amatuer level or playing at a low professional level. And I know that footie careers are shorter and start younger then the other sports, but the point remains that it takes time for young athletes to mature both physically and mentally so that they can compete at a top level. Poch has shown that he is willing to be patient and so must the fans.
And they paid 6m for him. Peanuts by todays transfer money, but about 5.5m more than we'd have paid through tribunal I think, no?
All @Flobadob was doing was saying how he thinks TOB could be the next prospect to break through, but hey, any chance to jump back on your hobbyhorse hey?
Quite possible but we are not trying to produce a player that are at the quality to play in ligue 1. We're trying to develop these youngsters so that they can handle the rigors of playing week in week out in a league that is at the top of it's profession.On the other hand, if they were French in each hey'd all be first team mainstays for the last two years. And in the US, they generally aren't competing with players from just about every country in the planet for competition for their recruitment.
Quite possible but we are not trying to produce a player that are at the quality to play in ligue 1. We're trying to develop these youngsters so that they can handle the rigors of playing week in week out in a league that is at the top of it's profession.
The comparison across sports is far from perfect, but that point is that most athletes take till they are 24-25 to mature to be able too handle the level of there competion. So when a player is 19 or 20 it isnt really fair to make any final judgements on how the club is handling them till they have matured completely.
BC your absolutely right about this talk about buying and Celta's Diop, Barkely or Gomes to play cm would be extremely disappointing when we have two young cms in Winks and Onomah that are knocking on the door and have the required talent to become stars at our club. Not to mention that the CM postion the academy does best at developing.@beats1 is right though. Look at what's just happened to KWP. We've just stuck a 25m, 24yo in his path just as he was breaking through. Aurier's a decent player for sure, but what's KWP going to do if he performs ? Go elsewhere ? Look at Smith at Bournemouth, he had as many assists as Walker last year and he didn't have Kane, Alli, Eriksen et al imagine if he'd been here for the last 4 years working with Poch. But he had to go because we'd put not just Walker, but Naughton in front of him.
Then there was out attempt to buy the kid from some Spanish club who's names I forget now, and then Gomes. Where does Onomah fit into those plans ?
I could understand if we were buying Keita, but fucking Gomes or some other promising kid who possibly isn't as good as Onomah, he's just played games.
Mate I understand that, but French sides can take that risk of playing younger players in there league because if the player turns out to be of middling Championship quality then for a lot sides that player would be a solid squad player at worst. Where at Spurs they'd be a massive liability.Mate, France has been producing quality footballers by the absolute shitload two or three decades. It exports more footballers than anyone bar Brazil to the best leagues in the world. Just about every great team in Europe has one, how many have English players?
I don't disagree that it's frustrating to not see our young players given more chances. I'd have stuck with Trippier and KWP, and I'd have kept Onomah around and played him as Dembele's back up. But the management have deemed otherwise. Rather than choose to believe they don't rate any of them or don't care for them though, I prefer to keep optimistic about their chances.@beats1 is right though. Look at what's just happened to KWP. We've just stuck a 25m, 24yo in his path just as he was breaking through. Aurier's a decent player for sure, but what's KWP going to do if he performs ? Go elsewhere ? Look at Smith at Bournemouth, he had as many assists as Walker last year and he didn't have Kane, Alli, Eriksen et al imagine if he'd been here for the last 4 years working with Poch. But he had to go because we'd put not just Walker, but Naughton in front of him.
Then there was out attempt to buy the kid from some Spanish club who's names I forget now, and then Gomes. Where does Onomah fit into those plans ?
I could understand if we were buying Keita, but fucking Gomes or some other promising kid who possibly isn't as good as Onomah, he's just played games.
@beats1 is right though. Look at what's just happened to KWP. We've just stuck a 25m, 24yo in his path just as he was breaking through. Aurier's a decent player for sure, but what's KWP going to do if he performs ? Go elsewhere ? Look at Smith at Bournemouth, he had as many assists as Walker last year and he didn't have Kane, Alli, Eriksen et al imagine if he'd been here for the last 4 years working with Poch. But he had to go because we'd put not just Walker, but Naughton in front of him.
Then there was out attempt to buy the kid from some Spanish club who's names I forget now, and then Gomes. Where does Onomah fit into those plans ?
I could understand if we were buying Keita, but fucking Gomes or some other promising kid who possibly isn't as good as Onomah, he's just played games.
I don't disagree that it's frustrating to not see our young players given more chances. I'd have stuck with Trippier and KWP, and I'd have kept Onomah around and played him as Dembele's back up. But the management have deemed otherwise. Rather than choose to believe they don't rate any of them or don't care for them though, I prefer to keep optimistic about their chances.
What is, as @allpaths has said above, that the Aurier signing has more to do with Trippier than KWP? In a years time Trippier could be moved on and KWP is understudy to a higher quality player. The Aurier signing makes much more sense against the backdrop of an underlying concern for Trippier's ability to be the no. 1.
As for Diop, the rumours all said that we pulled out of that move because Poch preferred TOB. We didn't move on to Gomes from Diop, rather Gomes appeared to be the back up to Barkley.
Broadly I agree with you guys, I wan't the kids to come through and make it with us. I'm never more proud than when an academy product is pulling on the shirt and performing well, but I also want to think the best of the club and keep an optimistic and positive view there.
Agreed. The challenge for KWP is to move ahead of Trippier this season. Surplant him and become Aurier's deputy.I agree with this point. .I see KWP as having a much higher ceiling and I'm confident of seeing improvements from him in the coming months/years.. However, I dont see much further improvement from Trippier.
When Aurier gets up to speed and if there are no on/off field issues with him, then I see us moving Trippier on next season.
I understand your frustration but as I mentioned a good few pages back in this thread there is a possibility for KWP to still play a good few games this season. If we make it to the CL final, the FA cup final & the League Cup final then we'll play 59 games (assuming no replays). We know that Poch likes to rotate his fullbacks so if he split them evenly between Trippier & Aurier then its 29/30. But I can see a scenario where KWP could be given a carefully selected 5th of the games, giving him 11/12 games. Which still leaves 23/24 for Aurier and Tripper. Obviously for every knockout round that we miss out on that reduces the pool of games. Optimistic, maybe but possible.
As big a fan as I am of KWP its hard for me to be negative about the Aurier signing. Terrific player.
I understand your frustration but as I mentioned a good few pages back in this thread there is a possibility for KWP to still play a good few games this season. If we make it to the CL final, the FA cup final & the League Cup final then we'll play 59 games (assuming no replays). We know that Poch likes to rotate his fullbacks so if he split them evenly between Trippier & Aurier then its 29/30. But I can see a scenario where KWP could be given a carefully selected 5th of the games, giving him 11/12 games. Which still leaves 23/24 for Aurier and Tripper. Obviously for every knockout round that we miss out on that reduces the pool of games. Optimistic, maybe but possible.
As big a fan as I am of KWP its hard for me to be negative about the Aurier signing. Terrific player.
So outperform him in training and win the spot.But that, to a degree, is the problem. Aurier is a very good RB. It's not like we have bought a RB to cover while KWP finds his feet. Aurier has been bought to be No.1 and potentially, at 24yo for some time.
I know him very well, have watched him play live about 40 times, two or three years ago I suggested he was a player we could upgrade Walker with. But I do believe that in KWP we have a player who will be better than him and Walker and Trippier. But how will he become that player playing 3/4/5/6 games for the next 2/3 of years. If I was him I'd be wanting to play every week pretty soon, and he should be, no ifs or buts, the kid is ready to take that next step.
So outperform him in training and win the spot.
What's the big deal?
Poch has shown he doesn't care about playing signings because they cost money. Janssen and Sissoko cost around the same or more, and hardly get minutes. If he shows he's good enough he'll make it.
If you guys believe in these kids as much as you say you do surely they should be able to break in? You argue tooth and nail that they're good enough, but also want them to be handed opportunities on a plate.