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What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

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hughy

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Super Tottenham said:
A poster on Redcafe:

This kid, he has so much potential. He has been scoring at least 30 goals per season since 2014-15. His prime years will likely come between 2019 and 2021. I don't understand why some people say he is overrated. At the end of the day, the main objective in football is to score goals to win a match and a tournament, if this kid can score on a consistent basis, it doesn't matter if he doesn't have the skills of Neymar or the pace of Bale. The question for me is: Can he score 50 goals this season ? He is the only striker in the world other than Rashford which I think will reach these figures in the next two seasons at most.

He thinks Rashford will hit 50 goals in a season in the next couple of year? o_O
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I fucking hope Kane and Rashford do start hitting 50 goals a season.


England might finally have a chance to get past the last 16 in a major tournament...
 
tommo84

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Too many Martin Tyler comments to quote and want this to be my only post on the matter so as not to derail the thread further. I don't think he's biased, he's just a massive homer in that he gets completely caught up in the atmosphere of a match. If the home fans are joyous because they're on the front foot then he often sounds happy (some of this is perhaps just because he's making sure he can be heard above the crowd) but when the home fans are flat he is often flat. He's also obsessed with narrative and potential soundbites. If a player is returning to his old club he is audibly willing them to score and grab the headlines so he can roll out whatever scripted garble he has prepared. It doesn't make him 'biased' as such but it does make him a limited commentator and sometimes little more than a cheerleader.

How I long for Barry Davies...

Back on topic, spent Saturday on the beers with a load of colleagues, including one West Ham fan. He took their defeat pretty well as he seemed to agree with Bilic about the fight they showed etc. The Liverpool fans who were with us seemed much more bitter and were keen to talk down anything good about our win. Felt pretty obvious which set of fans see us a genuine rival in the current landscape.
 
mark87

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Super Tottenham said:
A poster on Redcafe:

This kid, he has so much potential. He has been scoring at least 30 goals per season since 2014-15. His prime years will likely come between 2019 and 2021. I don't understand why some people say he is overrated. At the end of the day, the main objective in football is to score goals to win a match and a tournament, if this kid can score on a consistent basis, it doesn't matter if he doesn't have the skills of Neymar or the pace of Bale. The question for me is: Can he score 50 goals this season ? He is the only striker in the world other than Rashford which I think will reach these figures in the next two seasons at most.

He thinks Rashford will hit 50 goals in a season in the next couple of year? o_O
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I used to work with a west ham fan who was convinced Dean Ashton was gonna score 50 goals a season for them.
 
dagraham

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The comments about Kane not being special are just reflections of the modern football fan imo and not limited to certain fan bases ( we have plenty of them as well).

Basically, if you're not doing "skillz" you can drool about on YouTube your value is diminished.
 
spursfan77

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dagraham said:
The comments about Kane not being special are just reflections of the modern football fan imo and not limited to certain fan bases ( we have plenty of them as well).

Basically, if you're not doing "skillz" you can drool about on YouTube your value is diminished.
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Im not sure its modern football fans opinions that are different, its always been there amongst football fans for decades, its just now the idiots can type out their thoughts on social media rather than spouting of in the pub, when nobody listens to them as they assume they are drunk.

People have moved on from saying he's rubbish or a one season wonder to now saying he's got to leave. Its all a wind up and people just believing what they hear in the agenda driven media because they can't think for themselves.
 
nightgoat

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bomberH said:
I don't get the highlights package thing. Had Tyler seen the match already then? Is it live or did he already know what happened? I get the MOTD thing but this was already on Sky and was covered by someone else, why would they get Tyler to do a highlights package instead of using the original footage/commentary?
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He was probably commentating for overseas coverage.
 
Danny1

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Rashford? :cautious:o_O! He is a superb young player, but he will never play through the middle as a striker. He will always be a wide man cutting in so the chances of him getting that many goals is slim to none. If Rashford gets 15+ goals a season then thats a great return, like Alli & Eriksen for us.
 
jurgen

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dagraham said:
The comments about Kane not being special are just reflections of the modern football fan imo and not limited to certain fan bases ( we have plenty of them as well).

Basically, if you're not doing "skillz" you can drool about on YouTube your value is diminished.
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He's finally got a decent FIFA rating but until he gets around the nineties the kiddies won't take to him. Such is the weird world of football these days where certain players rather than actual clubs seem to draw the support.
 
RickyVilla

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jurgen said:
He's finally got a decent FIFA rating but until he gets around the nineties the kiddies won't take to him. Such is the weird world of football these days where certain players rather than actual clubs seem to draw the support.
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It was happening back in the 80's as well. My mate supported Watford until John Barnes left. Then he was a "John Barnes" fan and supported the Mickeys.
 
rossdapep

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tommo84 said:
Too many Martin Tyler comments to quote and want this to be my only post on the matter so as not to derail the thread further. I don't think he's biased, he's just a massive homer in that he gets completely caught up in the atmosphere of a match. If the home fans are joyous because they're on the front foot then he often sounds happy (some of this is perhaps just because he's making sure he can be heard above the crowd) but when the home fans are flat he is often flat. He's also obsessed with narrative and potential soundbites. If a player is returning to his old club he is audibly willing them to score and grab the headlines so he can roll out whatever scripted garble he has prepared. It doesn't make him 'biased' as such but it does make him a limited commentator and sometimes little more than a cheerleader.

How I long for Barry Davies...

Back on topic, spent Saturday on the beers with a load of colleagues, including one West Ham fan. He took their defeat pretty well as he seemed to agree with Bilic about the fight they showed etc. The Liverpool fans who were with us seemed much more bitter and were keen to talk down anything good about our win. Felt pretty obvious which set of fans see us a genuine rival in the current landscape.
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Very much this. I think it's easy to believe that he has a problem with us but when you see it in this light then it makes much more sense.

As a commentator I've really gone off him and find him to be incredibly boring. Like you say, he's always angling to set something up - which I suppose is part of his remit - but he always over eggs things. Phrases such as "Spurs haven't lost to Burnley here in 30 years", for example, are over used, so much that it's like he is willing for the story to change. Like my dad said "He's trying to curse it" and there was a number of years through the 90s and early 00s where it worked, so I think that's where the annoyances with him started. He was lucky enough to be the commentator for Sky at the time of the 'Premier League boom" as he's not as good as many of the commentators over the last 20 odd years and he's not even close to Barry Davies who could add colour without relying on narratives etc.

P.S My dad can't get through a game without telling him to shut up.
 
Larryjanta

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When did the fans and pundits threads merge? Just read 6 pages of nonsense on sky and managed to find three posts about what our opponents fans are saying.

I know this thread regularly gets taken off topic but this was a mess.
 
Insomnia

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Larryjanta said:
When did the fans and pundits threads merge? Just read 6 pages of nonsense on sky and managed to find three posts about what our opponents fans are saying.

I know this thread regularly gets taken off topic but this was a mess.
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More importantly why's the grammar & spelling been so good lately. RIP this thread :cautious:
 
Led's Zeppelin

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Speaking of Harry Kane, If you want the perfect example of grudging praise, how's this from KUMB: "I admire his attitude more than his ability as I think other strikers are technically better."

And after a multi-page series of very complimentary posts about Harry, (world-class, will break all the records, seems like a decent bloke, wish he was ours etc... etc...) this is a nice cherry on the cake:



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No mate, it doesn't annoy us. It makes us laugh even more.

And apparently, Harry Kane has scored more hat-tricks this year than any West Ham player has scored goals. Yet some of them still think we're rivals of some sort.

Dunderheads.
 

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Danny1 said:
Rashford? :cautious:o_O! He is a superb young player, but he will never play through the middle as a striker. He will always be a wide man cutting in so the chances of him getting that many goals is slim to none. If Rashford gets 15+ goals a season then thats a great return, like Alli & Eriksen for us.
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I probably agree, but then I would have said exactly those words about C. Ronaldo at a similar point in his career, so what do I know?
 
Gbspurs

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Led's Zeppelin said:
I probably agree, but then I would have said exactly those words about C. Ronaldo at a similar point in his career, so what do I know?
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Agree. Rashford has everything he needs to be a top striker and I'm sure he will get there. England really need to make the most of him and Kane.
 
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