Match Ratings Ratings vs Leceister
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I saw that as well!
thinktank
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He also costs us goals by not playing simple passes. Tough to nail him for something as he's so good for us; but it's just true.
He should have more assists.
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Our 2 chances first half were easier than the ones they scored from, then 2 more 2nd half plus our goal and what looked like a pen (was it, not seen it on telly yet?). Yes there were some ropey performances or bad decisions by players at crucial times (has Jan not watched Mahrez play before?) but we should never have lost that.
Too many slow starts are costing us as we keep playing catch up, some of them also look tired or out of form or both. Poch has got to sort it and quickly or this will become a mini crisis, lose on Saturday and he's under pressure...
Too many slow starts are costing us as we keep playing catch up, some of them also look tired or out of form or both. Poch has got to sort it and quickly or this will become a mini crisis, lose on Saturday and he's under pressure...
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He does play simple passes and has good vision though, but for the most part others lack the finishing. Look at his pass to Sissoko, that should've been a goal.
thinktank
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Doesn't do it enough. Can't grumble too much as he's single-handedly carried us many, many times. But, margins are so tight you have to maximise chances and go with the higher probability move sometimes, for the team.
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He made a couple of passes tonight that should have been assists...lets just say the finishing was less than adequate.
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So long as he gets the great passes to the shots on the ground back across goal while moving away from said goal ratio right I think we are fine ans lately it has felt a bit more up and down over the course of the match.
Though it's not just him, lately when watching us you can see the players decide to pass or shoot well before they actually do it and if I'm picking this out with a high degree of accuracy then you know these professional players on the opposition are and easily cutting us out of ideal positions.
I kinda don't know who to blame. I liked allis performance, for the player he is, tonight. got on a lot of balls, kept it a decent %, while trying to create things and worked hard. I thought he did well a lot in tight situations without proper runners or movement off him to capitalize on the space he made.
i reckon Eriksen had every blonde in Denmark back in his house for a couple days after the qualifiers. he's so key but has not been at it of late. he doesn't have proper competition, hopefully, we can see Lamela ease the creative burden. he works so hard and every team knows how key he is, these spells are inevitable.
other than that I think we are missing the genius of Toby and the hunting of wanyama. dier, who I like a lot and disagree with a lot of criticism he gets, can not do what wanyama can. whats key with him in the team I think is the ball is won back so quickly the shape of a game isn't changed. teams can get a foothold in the game now, our hard work and pressure go to waste and the opposition gets to get out, up the field and get organized again. sustained attacks have been a big problem, I think. the performances of Kane, Alli, and Eriksen have not helped, but i think it would be harsh not to say that wanyama and even Tobys passing is connected to that.
I saw a lot of jabs at the players and pochettino, even wondering does his style have an expiration date. this is crazy to me. teams have these patches, and it wasn't *that* bad. the work rate was there, while maybe not as structured and cohesive as you'd like, clear-cut chances were there without the finishing. this is a Leicester team who scored 2 worldies, seemingly have done a good job replacing key players in the title-winning side, with a new, talented manager. let alone the Eriksen and Llorente miss, Sissoko and alli should have scored in the first half. heavily frustrated, not to worried.
good to have lamela back, hope to see some youth (marcus edwards) over the busy period.
i reckon Eriksen had every blonde in Denmark back in his house for a couple days after the qualifiers. he's so key but has not been at it of late. he doesn't have proper competition, hopefully, we can see Lamela ease the creative burden. he works so hard and every team knows how key he is, these spells are inevitable.
other than that I think we are missing the genius of Toby and the hunting of wanyama. dier, who I like a lot and disagree with a lot of criticism he gets, can not do what wanyama can. whats key with him in the team I think is the ball is won back so quickly the shape of a game isn't changed. teams can get a foothold in the game now, our hard work and pressure go to waste and the opposition gets to get out, up the field and get organized again. sustained attacks have been a big problem, I think. the performances of Kane, Alli, and Eriksen have not helped, but i think it would be harsh not to say that wanyama and even Tobys passing is connected to that.
I saw a lot of jabs at the players and pochettino, even wondering does his style have an expiration date. this is crazy to me. teams have these patches, and it wasn't *that* bad. the work rate was there, while maybe not as structured and cohesive as you'd like, clear-cut chances were there without the finishing. this is a Leicester team who scored 2 worldies, seemingly have done a good job replacing key players in the title-winning side, with a new, talented manager. let alone the Eriksen and Llorente miss, Sissoko and alli should have scored in the first half. heavily frustrated, not to worried.
good to have lamela back, hope to see some youth (marcus edwards) over the busy period.
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Identity Crisis
We seem to be going through one of those "Pochettino" spells. Consistently not starting games well. I remember other phases like this. The funny thing about football is how other teams can often pick up this scent. The scent we are giving off right now is one of confused apathy.
Some of this confusion is forced upon us, we have injuries to a couple of key players, but much of this confusion, as with much of what is good, is down to Pochettino. Pochettino keeps picking Sissoko. Pochettino watched Alli fuck about for weeks on end and did nothing. Maybe the boy actually needs a rest, not just a kick up the arse, the trouble is Kane and Eriksen also clearly look bereft of mojo spark too now, so Poch has a real problem. Our three most creative players are now all out of sorts and it's going to be hard rotate them together. Lamela coming back may lift some of the pressure, I hope, but Poch should have benched Alli weeks ago, he had Son champing at the bit, he could now have him firing, could have then rested Eriksen, the last couple of weeks, and have the pair of them back and firing and in harmony.
One of the reasons this has been harder is directly traceable back a couple of years and are rooted in our midfield. Dembele and Dier were never the reason we were a good team. It was the way we were coached, and the fact that Poch got us working as a team better than most coaches do the PL that made us good. They were just the insurance, the belt and braces that made sure our trousers didn't get pulled down while we were looking the other way. They didn't instigate, they didn't set tempo, they didn't create, and now we are needing to evolve past being a methodical bulldozer of a midfield, and could do with some football in there, we are suddenly a bit bereft.
One of the reasons we are lacking is because Poch fucked off Bentaleb, refused to develop Onomah as a CM, took a year longer than necessary to properly introduce Winks (and then it was more as a last resort) who is, after half a dozen league games, already our most influential midfielder (and I say that knowing he has flaws too) and instead of buying for the area we drastically needed to strengthen, and seemed obvious to some of us, has spent 4 windows doing everything but. The spunking of 30m on Sissoko, a player nobody "needs" in their midfield, the final insult.
You can scoff al you like but Philip Lesniak could be doing a fuck sight better job right now understudying Wanyama than the confused variations Poch is now having to wheel out. I said weeks ago when he payed Winks, Alli and Eriksen that we might get away with it occasionally, but it won't work for all occasions. Its one of the reasons we can't seem to start games on the front foot any more, we can't press with any kind of cohesion and vigour. The other reason is these players are playing CM one week, one minute, then AM the next, roles and application are becoming blurred, functions confused. When we played the more pragmatic games - RM, Liverpool - it was simplified, but other games we don't seem to know what we are anymore. We don't seem to press high and hard anymore, but with players like Alli and Sissoko in midfield we can't retain and pass the ball fluently either. Moves continually break down, the simplest passes go astray, all a defender has to do is look at Alli and he's on the deck in heap.
Even in the halcyon days of the last two seasons our midfield troubled me. Dembele's refusal to hand off the ball - invariably sideways - until he's whirled round a couple of times made him look like an impressive cage footballer, and made his stats look great, but was not very progressive, and there were days when his cautious risk aversion and refusal to let anyone play with his ball could be useful, but when your partner is Dier, then less useful, because as a CM Dier's just Phil Jones with a loveable face. We brought in Wanyama, and as busy **** he's an upgrade on the pair of them, but if we were to evolve, we clearly needed one or two proper footballers in midfield with him. And this is why we now find ourselves in a bit of a fug. Great when playing the pragmatic counter attacking game, but when we have to take games by the bollocks and drive them we have no one in the driving seat, especially when the rookie Winks is out, but even then a team often needs more than one, especially in a CM3 system. Just overloading the forward areas doesn't work, the bus parkers eat this up, you need to be cleverer, from deeper. This is what Guardiola is doing, dropping DeBruyne and Silva back and what ManU do with Pogo at their best.
Wanyama coming back will help, but I still thinks Winks isn't enough. Eriksen and Alli can chip in some days from there, but not all days. We still need another proper footballing 8 type. And we need an understudy footballing busy **** for when Wanyama isn't around or for really tough days.
Lamela coming on also showed what else we need more of, and that's someone who can move with the ball, take on players but also play incisive passes. To this end I think Poch could also have had Edwards better integrated. I accept he's a long way from finished, but just as a bench option he could offer something in games like Saturday that we don't have in abundance and would be far more useful than the pace that everyone seems to think is the answer. Guile.
I'm not panicking, I trust Poch to get through this and get find solutions, he usually does, but I hope the area getting most of his attention is midfield. I also hope he's learnt that he could be just that bit braver with the integration of the best of our young players that, if nothing else, when you are in a fug, with fatigued minds and legs, could provide some much needed energy and fucking vim. Even if just short/medium term until you can buy the next potential world beater and move them on.
Tonight was another nail in the coffin of the bullshit myths. How much we miss or are better with Dembele. Dier as a CM. How much better we are with super pacey FB's like Rose and Aurier. Trippier put in more and cleverer crosses from deeper positions last Saturday, than those pair did tonight put together and we looked a fuck sight defensively more vulnerable all night tonight that we did Saturday. And Leicester didn't just park a bus first 45 either.
Credit to Leicester, they came out and did a number. Pressed the right players, let the others amble. Scored a couple of well taken goals goals from their perspective, but poor from ours, especially the second.
We then huffed and puffed and missed some good chances but we’d already shot ourselves in both arse cheeks by then and there was very little cohesion or class to anything we did.
Individual
Lloris - Fuck all to do except pick the ball out really.
Aurier - Put in a decent cross towards the end, too little too late and defensively a bit woo.
Sanchez - OK
Vertonghen - He's our best CB, one of the best CB's in this league, but that's a couple of times now he's been done by Mahrez the same way. Show him on his right FFS, you know what he wants to do.
The Yorkshire "different level" Mercelo - His final ball was fucking atrocious. Must have wasted 15 great situations.
Dier - Some diabolical passing, generally poor.
Dembele - Trundle trundle. When teams are transitioning quickly, he gets left behind.
Sissoko - It’s just not funny any more.
Eriksen - He should not have played tonight. Lets be straight, his bad, is still not Alli, Kane or Son bad, or even Sissoko good; his bad is still seeing the ball 50 odd times and making more key passes than just about anyone but, by his standards he was bad, coughing up the ball cheaply sometimes, wasting good situations and missing a sitter; and it's hardly surprising, he's been played to buggery. Rest him next game FFS.
Alli - He should have been rested and kicked up the arse a long time ago, maybe he'd be performing better by now. He did work harder tonight, but he's one of the guiltiest when it comes to starting slowly, he's also a poor presser (and by that I mean he's not totally lazy, he's just not good at the dynamic action of pressing properly, where you intelligently position and apply it, vigorously squeeze the juice out of the opposition) and that affects our pressing generally, and his continual coughing up of the ball has to be addressed and must improve. Barely acceptable when his scoring and making, even less acceptable when he's not. It is now costing us frequently and putting a strain on all other areas, especially now we don't have a belt or braces.
Son - Son
Kane - Like Kane but not quite.
We seem to be going through one of those "Pochettino" spells. Consistently not starting games well. I remember other phases like this. The funny thing about football is how other teams can often pick up this scent. The scent we are giving off right now is one of confused apathy.
Some of this confusion is forced upon us, we have injuries to a couple of key players, but much of this confusion, as with much of what is good, is down to Pochettino. Pochettino keeps picking Sissoko. Pochettino watched Alli fuck about for weeks on end and did nothing. Maybe the boy actually needs a rest, not just a kick up the arse, the trouble is Kane and Eriksen also clearly look bereft of mojo spark too now, so Poch has a real problem. Our three most creative players are now all out of sorts and it's going to be hard rotate them together. Lamela coming back may lift some of the pressure, I hope, but Poch should have benched Alli weeks ago, he had Son champing at the bit, he could now have him firing, could have then rested Eriksen, the last couple of weeks, and have the pair of them back and firing and in harmony.
One of the reasons this has been harder is directly traceable back a couple of years and are rooted in our midfield. Dembele and Dier were never the reason we were a good team. It was the way we were coached, and the fact that Poch got us working as a team better than most coaches do the PL that made us good. They were just the insurance, the belt and braces that made sure our trousers didn't get pulled down while we were looking the other way. They didn't instigate, they didn't set tempo, they didn't create, and now we are needing to evolve past being a methodical bulldozer of a midfield, and could do with some football in there, we are suddenly a bit bereft.
One of the reasons we are lacking is because Poch fucked off Bentaleb, refused to develop Onomah as a CM, took a year longer than necessary to properly introduce Winks (and then it was more as a last resort) who is, after half a dozen league games, already our most influential midfielder (and I say that knowing he has flaws too) and instead of buying for the area we drastically needed to strengthen, and seemed obvious to some of us, has spent 4 windows doing everything but. The spunking of 30m on Sissoko, a player nobody "needs" in their midfield, the final insult.
You can scoff al you like but Philip Lesniak could be doing a fuck sight better job right now understudying Wanyama than the confused variations Poch is now having to wheel out. I said weeks ago when he payed Winks, Alli and Eriksen that we might get away with it occasionally, but it won't work for all occasions. Its one of the reasons we can't seem to start games on the front foot any more, we can't press with any kind of cohesion and vigour. The other reason is these players are playing CM one week, one minute, then AM the next, roles and application are becoming blurred, functions confused. When we played the more pragmatic games - RM, Liverpool - it was simplified, but other games we don't seem to know what we are anymore. We don't seem to press high and hard anymore, but with players like Alli and Sissoko in midfield we can't retain and pass the ball fluently either. Moves continually break down, the simplest passes go astray, all a defender has to do is look at Alli and he's on the deck in heap.
Even in the halcyon days of the last two seasons our midfield troubled me. Dembele's refusal to hand off the ball - invariably sideways - until he's whirled round a couple of times made him look like an impressive cage footballer, and made his stats look great, but was not very progressive, and there were days when his cautious risk aversion and refusal to let anyone play with his ball could be useful, but when your partner is Dier, then less useful, because as a CM Dier's just Phil Jones with a loveable face. We brought in Wanyama, and as busy **** he's an upgrade on the pair of them, but if we were to evolve, we clearly needed one or two proper footballers in midfield with him. And this is why we now find ourselves in a bit of a fug. Great when playing the pragmatic counter attacking game, but when we have to take games by the bollocks and drive them we have no one in the driving seat, especially when the rookie Winks is out, but even then a team often needs more than one, especially in a CM3 system. Just overloading the forward areas doesn't work, the bus parkers eat this up, you need to be cleverer, from deeper. This is what Guardiola is doing, dropping DeBruyne and Silva back and what ManU do with Pogo at their best.
Wanyama coming back will help, but I still thinks Winks isn't enough. Eriksen and Alli can chip in some days from there, but not all days. We still need another proper footballing 8 type. And we need an understudy footballing busy **** for when Wanyama isn't around or for really tough days.
Lamela coming on also showed what else we need more of, and that's someone who can move with the ball, take on players but also play incisive passes. To this end I think Poch could also have had Edwards better integrated. I accept he's a long way from finished, but just as a bench option he could offer something in games like Saturday that we don't have in abundance and would be far more useful than the pace that everyone seems to think is the answer. Guile.
I'm not panicking, I trust Poch to get through this and get find solutions, he usually does, but I hope the area getting most of his attention is midfield. I also hope he's learnt that he could be just that bit braver with the integration of the best of our young players that, if nothing else, when you are in a fug, with fatigued minds and legs, could provide some much needed energy and fucking vim. Even if just short/medium term until you can buy the next potential world beater and move them on.
Tonight was another nail in the coffin of the bullshit myths. How much we miss or are better with Dembele. Dier as a CM. How much better we are with super pacey FB's like Rose and Aurier. Trippier put in more and cleverer crosses from deeper positions last Saturday, than those pair did tonight put together and we looked a fuck sight defensively more vulnerable all night tonight that we did Saturday. And Leicester didn't just park a bus first 45 either.
Credit to Leicester, they came out and did a number. Pressed the right players, let the others amble. Scored a couple of well taken goals goals from their perspective, but poor from ours, especially the second.
We then huffed and puffed and missed some good chances but we’d already shot ourselves in both arse cheeks by then and there was very little cohesion or class to anything we did.
Individual
Lloris - Fuck all to do except pick the ball out really.
Aurier - Put in a decent cross towards the end, too little too late and defensively a bit woo.
Sanchez - OK
Vertonghen - He's our best CB, one of the best CB's in this league, but that's a couple of times now he's been done by Mahrez the same way. Show him on his right FFS, you know what he wants to do.
The Yorkshire "different level" Mercelo - His final ball was fucking atrocious. Must have wasted 15 great situations.
Dier - Some diabolical passing, generally poor.
Dembele - Trundle trundle. When teams are transitioning quickly, he gets left behind.
Sissoko - It’s just not funny any more.
Eriksen - He should not have played tonight. Lets be straight, his bad, is still not Alli, Kane or Son bad, or even Sissoko good; his bad is still seeing the ball 50 odd times and making more key passes than just about anyone but, by his standards he was bad, coughing up the ball cheaply sometimes, wasting good situations and missing a sitter; and it's hardly surprising, he's been played to buggery. Rest him next game FFS.
Alli - He should have been rested and kicked up the arse a long time ago, maybe he'd be performing better by now. He did work harder tonight, but he's one of the guiltiest when it comes to starting slowly, he's also a poor presser (and by that I mean he's not totally lazy, he's just not good at the dynamic action of pressing properly, where you intelligently position and apply it, vigorously squeeze the juice out of the opposition) and that affects our pressing generally, and his continual coughing up of the ball has to be addressed and must improve. Barely acceptable when his scoring and making, even less acceptable when he's not. It is now costing us frequently and putting a strain on all other areas, especially now we don't have a belt or braces.
Son - Son
Kane - Like Kane but not quite.
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SpursSince1980
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strange game that. sort of similar to WBA, but strangely enough, I thought we played better tonight. sort of reflective of where we are this season. some things just aren't going our way. there isn't a sense of joy in what they're doing at the moment. all feels a bit tense out there. to me, this was reflected in the way Lamela and Son played when they came on. the former in particular seemed completely unaffected by the tension, probably because he was simply thrilled to be out there. as for son, I think he's happy with his form, and it's starting to show.
Lloris - 6 - nothing he could do about two really superb goals
Aurier - 5 - hit and miss. mostly miss tonight. some stray passes. some good crosses. some stupid challenges. some decent pressing.
Rose - 5 - not as good as he thinks he is
Sanchez - 7 - did well, but looked a bit confused earlier on with Vardy's running. i'd like to see him given more of a chance to adjust to three at the back.
Verts - 6 - starting to reflect the general tension in the team. not his usual dominant and confident self. misses Toby. the whole team misses Toby.
Dembele - 6 - he was okay. but at fault a bit for the second goal, as he seemed to slow down, when he should have been running his socks off to put pressure on Mahrez before he took the wonder shot.
Sissoko - 4 - a rather pointless performance out there. no verve. no substance. no style.
Dier - 4 - drop his ass. fed up with seeing him in the team, week in, week out. he was effing terrible tonight. and has not played well in center midfield all season. he tackles ok. but can't seem to pick a pass, and is easily out foxed (forgive the pun).
Alli - 4 - another one that should be sat down. or, given a new position to play. EG: bring him back into midfield and get him to focus on the simple stuff again. right now, he's flimsy, careless, and clearly low on confidence.
Eriksen - 4 - what the hell is going on with him? I can understand if it's a positional thing. But c'mon, we're talking about the basics here that he seems to be lacking. like ball control, positioning and passing. all are exceptionally poor at the moment. I know he's had some crappy spells here and there over his time with us, but this is about as poor as I've seen him play.
Harry - 6 - would be a five if not for the finish. he looks a bit tired and frustrated too. the effort is there. but the body doesn't seem quite as willing. which is a HUGE concern.
SUBS:
Llorente 2 - and no, not just for the miss. but his overall contribution was a joke. he's actually making me pine for Soldado and Janssen. We really need to think about a replacement this January (if indeed there's a cheap alternative out there - highly unlikely, I know). Or promote from within.
Son - 6 - was at least bright and trying to make things happen.
Lamela - 8 - wow. took him barely a few minutes to show what we've been missing. it'll do his confidence a world of good. either he needs to start the next match and play 60 mins. or, if he's not quite there yet, Poch needs to use him as an impact sub over the next month or so, until he's back to full fitness. give him 25-30 mins a game to get there. so happy for the guy.
Poch - 5 - it's easy to feel a bit annoyed at him with the constant rejiggering. and the commitment to certain players that simply are underperforming. likewise, his reluctance to see that perhaps our 3 at the back strategy has a time and place when it can be highly effective. playing the likes of WBA at home and the Foxes on the road, is NOT that time. We're conceding more goals than last year. and we're flaccid at the start of games. i'd like to see him experiment with more attacking lineups, such as a 4-3-3. or even a 4-2-3-1 again. right now, it's clear the system is jacked. that said, he also can't really be responsible for some awful decision making and mistakes on the field. that's down to the players being idiots.
Lloris - 6 - nothing he could do about two really superb goals
Aurier - 5 - hit and miss. mostly miss tonight. some stray passes. some good crosses. some stupid challenges. some decent pressing.
Rose - 5 - not as good as he thinks he is
Sanchez - 7 - did well, but looked a bit confused earlier on with Vardy's running. i'd like to see him given more of a chance to adjust to three at the back.
Verts - 6 - starting to reflect the general tension in the team. not his usual dominant and confident self. misses Toby. the whole team misses Toby.
Dembele - 6 - he was okay. but at fault a bit for the second goal, as he seemed to slow down, when he should have been running his socks off to put pressure on Mahrez before he took the wonder shot.
Sissoko - 4 - a rather pointless performance out there. no verve. no substance. no style.
Dier - 4 - drop his ass. fed up with seeing him in the team, week in, week out. he was effing terrible tonight. and has not played well in center midfield all season. he tackles ok. but can't seem to pick a pass, and is easily out foxed (forgive the pun).
Alli - 4 - another one that should be sat down. or, given a new position to play. EG: bring him back into midfield and get him to focus on the simple stuff again. right now, he's flimsy, careless, and clearly low on confidence.
Eriksen - 4 - what the hell is going on with him? I can understand if it's a positional thing. But c'mon, we're talking about the basics here that he seems to be lacking. like ball control, positioning and passing. all are exceptionally poor at the moment. I know he's had some crappy spells here and there over his time with us, but this is about as poor as I've seen him play.
Harry - 6 - would be a five if not for the finish. he looks a bit tired and frustrated too. the effort is there. but the body doesn't seem quite as willing. which is a HUGE concern.
SUBS:
Llorente 2 - and no, not just for the miss. but his overall contribution was a joke. he's actually making me pine for Soldado and Janssen. We really need to think about a replacement this January (if indeed there's a cheap alternative out there - highly unlikely, I know). Or promote from within.
Son - 6 - was at least bright and trying to make things happen.
Lamela - 8 - wow. took him barely a few minutes to show what we've been missing. it'll do his confidence a world of good. either he needs to start the next match and play 60 mins. or, if he's not quite there yet, Poch needs to use him as an impact sub over the next month or so, until he's back to full fitness. give him 25-30 mins a game to get there. so happy for the guy.
Poch - 5 - it's easy to feel a bit annoyed at him with the constant rejiggering. and the commitment to certain players that simply are underperforming. likewise, his reluctance to see that perhaps our 3 at the back strategy has a time and place when it can be highly effective. playing the likes of WBA at home and the Foxes on the road, is NOT that time. We're conceding more goals than last year. and we're flaccid at the start of games. i'd like to see him experiment with more attacking lineups, such as a 4-3-3. or even a 4-2-3-1 again. right now, it's clear the system is jacked. that said, he also can't really be responsible for some awful decision making and mistakes on the field. that's down to the players being idiots.
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matthew.absurdum
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I don't really get your love on Lesniak
Maybe TOB, Onomah or Skipp would be a better example
Bus-Conductor
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I don't really get your love on Lesniak
I'd take all 3 right now. And Lesniak.
Tottenham_God
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Why are some of our players undroppable? If Fergie thought one of his lads needed a break or a rest or was just playing like a crab they'd be out of the side.
It's too bad to see Dembele a step slower because we could always rely on him to carry the ball up from the back. And the less said about Dier as a midfielder the better.
Hopefully the ITK's are correct and we have Barkley on the way in the January transfer window. He could be the new deep lying midfielder pushing forward.
I think a Barkley - Wanyama deep lying midfield 2 in 2018 could be the breath of fresh air we need with Dembele fit and ready for big games on a reduced workload.
Lamela MOM. Kane ok. The rest were meh at best.
Hopefully the ITK's are correct and we have Barkley on the way in the January transfer window. He could be the new deep lying midfielder pushing forward.
I think a Barkley - Wanyama deep lying midfield 2 in 2018 could be the breath of fresh air we need with Dembele fit and ready for big games on a reduced workload.
Lamela MOM. Kane ok. The rest were meh at best.
davros
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This was a poor performance and a very disappointing result. We were a shambles and completely lacking urgency, directness, and craft or guile.
The very big positive is that Lamela looked like he could help sort those issues when he came on. We'll need that if we're to get out of the current slump.
The very big positive is that Lamela looked like he could help sort those issues when he came on. We'll need that if we're to get out of the current slump.
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Ha whoops! Meant to say Lamela! Anger typing is never good!
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We absolutely should have scored with 3 chances we missed. For all criticism of Kane's failure to pass or Eriksen's lack of form they both created clear cut scoring chances, we missed them. Aurier creates another for Llorente, they scored two impressive goals that were little more than half chances. There is less wrong than some are making out but clearly there are issues.
Vardy is untracked or lost by Dier for goal one, Aurier stands off Allbrighton and does nothing as he plays the ball in to Vardy, prior to this Maguire is given plenty of room to pick out Allbrighton as he advances into midfield, Dembele the guilty party here. Collectively the team don’t seem to sense danger in the build up. Sanchez could potentially cover for Dier's error but he doesn’t react.
For the second goal Dier gets the ball put through his legs and they break on us, Sanchez is also pressing high but fails to get near to putting a tackle in. Vertonghen backs away and shows Mahrez inside, we’ve seen this goal before. Aurier seems to duck out of the way of the shot. Maybe he thought he'd deflect it in or handball it, hopefully will take the hit next time.
We miss Wanyama in midfield, Dembele still looks off the pace slightly, we need to get back to fighting for every ball, that’s the main thing. When we are at our best we fight a thousand small battles for every action throughout the game, at the moment it looks like we are opting out of combat. We're not monstering teams as we used to, are we complacent or tired?
Hugo 5 - Did nothing wrong but a world class save would have got us something from the game, he didn't have one for us.
Aurier 4 - Lots to do here before he is the player we hope he can be. Could have done better for both goals I think, good crosses.
Rose 5 - I love Danny, but he had three great crossing opportunities early in the game, he fluffed them all. Like the way he won the ball back to set up Sissoko's chance via Kane. Good cross late on and could have won us a penalty. Was he out of position for the second goal?
Dier 4 - Not his best game some culpa
Fuck it can’t be arsed
Vardy is untracked or lost by Dier for goal one, Aurier stands off Allbrighton and does nothing as he plays the ball in to Vardy, prior to this Maguire is given plenty of room to pick out Allbrighton as he advances into midfield, Dembele the guilty party here. Collectively the team don’t seem to sense danger in the build up. Sanchez could potentially cover for Dier's error but he doesn’t react.
For the second goal Dier gets the ball put through his legs and they break on us, Sanchez is also pressing high but fails to get near to putting a tackle in. Vertonghen backs away and shows Mahrez inside, we’ve seen this goal before. Aurier seems to duck out of the way of the shot. Maybe he thought he'd deflect it in or handball it, hopefully will take the hit next time.
We miss Wanyama in midfield, Dembele still looks off the pace slightly, we need to get back to fighting for every ball, that’s the main thing. When we are at our best we fight a thousand small battles for every action throughout the game, at the moment it looks like we are opting out of combat. We're not monstering teams as we used to, are we complacent or tired?
Hugo 5 - Did nothing wrong but a world class save would have got us something from the game, he didn't have one for us.
Aurier 4 - Lots to do here before he is the player we hope he can be. Could have done better for both goals I think, good crosses.
Rose 5 - I love Danny, but he had three great crossing opportunities early in the game, he fluffed them all. Like the way he won the ball back to set up Sissoko's chance via Kane. Good cross late on and could have won us a penalty. Was he out of position for the second goal?
Dier 4 - Not his best game some culpa
Fuck it can’t be arsed
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Its not good to see Poch so crestfallen in his interviews . He's been sourer than usual for the last few 'Pressers' .Uncharacteristically he's been misdescribing matches , saying we didn't get what we deserved vs Arse and WBA which is bollox imo
Well he can safely say in this match we didn't get what we deserved . The misses from Sissoko,Eriksen and Llorente
were amazing to behold .
For me the 2nd half was the best half we've had in the Prem since before the Palace match where this malaise really got going.
Full on pressing, Leicester pinned back, several point blank chances missed .
The Toby quote I never tire of repeating 'If we don't have our effort , we are an ordinary team ' Is applying these days and Poch
is clearly confused as to why his players aren't automatically putting in the usual workrate . As someone said above , we become a mid table team without it .
So , what has happened to Poch's motivational skills ? . Stuff been going on behind the scenes ? book ? Danny probs ? Eriksen WC and Barca ? Dele a tv star ? or plain wages gripes ? Who knows ?
Also yes ,he has been sticking with out of form players ,team selection seems counterproductive sometimes . Need to try new options , new blood etc .
I expect us to weather this storm and put in a challenge for top 4 , but there is no denying a dream has died for us in Nov .
Well he can safely say in this match we didn't get what we deserved . The misses from Sissoko,Eriksen and Llorente
were amazing to behold .
For me the 2nd half was the best half we've had in the Prem since before the Palace match where this malaise really got going.
Full on pressing, Leicester pinned back, several point blank chances missed .
The Toby quote I never tire of repeating 'If we don't have our effort , we are an ordinary team ' Is applying these days and Poch
is clearly confused as to why his players aren't automatically putting in the usual workrate . As someone said above , we become a mid table team without it .
So , what has happened to Poch's motivational skills ? . Stuff been going on behind the scenes ? book ? Danny probs ? Eriksen WC and Barca ? Dele a tv star ? or plain wages gripes ? Who knows ?
Also yes ,he has been sticking with out of form players ,team selection seems counterproductive sometimes . Need to try new options , new blood etc .
I expect us to weather this storm and put in a challenge for top 4 , but there is no denying a dream has died for us in Nov .
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