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I knew we shouldn't have sold Wimmer...........
Players are always going to leave. Unless we start winning regular titles or get bought by a country (city/psg) we will sell players. All we can do is get the best price and use that money to strengthen.
Wembley has been a bit of a knock and aurier has taken time to settle but him and sanchez for the price of walker in the long term will probably be good business.
And therein lies the problem with selling key first team players. Whether they want to leave/can't match their wages/don't want to keep an unhappy player/insert appropriate argument here.
We suddenly find ourselves having to sign replacements in defence, where imo CM, AM and possibly forward are the areas needed to get this squad in a position to win major honours ( in addition to keeping key players). There's no way we're going to do all that, so we're continually behind the eight ball.
Sounds depressing, but I really think the previous 2 seasons we missed our time with a lot of the big guns underperforming or in transition before they can throw shit loads of money at it.
Great as he is, with 2.5 years left on his deal (1.5 plus extension in our favour) we are either losing him at 31 for free, or at 30 for £25m, and that’s in 18 months time IF the clause rumours are true.
Love him though I do, it’s not a desperate situation. By the time he’s off in any of these circumstances he’ll be on the decline going by average centre back longevity and Sanchez will be either 2 or 3 years premiership experienced. If we’ve offered him a higher wage, approaching or in the £100k region, and he’s wanting an amount we just aren’t able to pay, let him run it down. He’s a very good centre back, he’s very professional and he will continue performing to a high standard. I’d rather lose him for free in July 2020 than for a huge few this coming summer.
Why didn't we sell TA in the summer then?
If we're able to take a £25m hit to keep him for one extra season, it's a shame we aren't also able to take a offer him a 4-year £150k deal, as this is only an additional spend of £16.64m (less than the £25m and far less than a half-decent replacement would cost).
The problem is that if one player gets a big pay-rise as a result of digging his heals in, the rest of the squad would do the same. For example, it would be understandable for Vertonghen to demand similar pay to Alderweireld.
We may have the same situation with alli and Sanchez being sounded out in the next year or two it's the way of the world.Players are always going to leave. Unless we start winning regular titles or get bought by a country (city/psg) we will sell players. All we can do is get the best price and use that money to strengthen.
Wembley has been a bit of a knock and aurier has taken time to settle but him and sanchez for the price of walker in the long term will probably be good business.
How about de Ligt from Ajax ?So if replacing Toby does become necessary, who do we all think might fit the bill? I rate Wharton at Blackburn, he's a left footer, but by no means PL ready. I also like the Austrian Hinteregger, but again, probably not able to step straight in. Lascelles from Newcastle or Gibson from Middlesbrough might be better options.
We may have the same situation with alli and Sanchez being sounded out in the next year or two it's the way of the world.
How about de Ligt from Ajax ?
Not that they would ever sell to us but I'd take Zouma.
If it's possible, but I wouldn't us to lose out on getting the highest fee we can get either.Give Sánchez a year to settle into the prem. if you are going to lose a top defender would you not prefer his replacement to be already settled into the club?
I think we can push for 70 million.Doubt even city would offer £90m for toby. He'll be 29 soon so will have no sell on value.
Walker is on £170k a week basic, plus add ons/bonuses, at City.
That your assumption that rm and bm will be in for him might not be accurate.
How is it a red herring ? If the disagreement is about release clause this is just a proxy for wages, why do you want a release clause if not to be able to jump ship to earn higher wages ?Why is everyone talking about fucking wage structure again? It's such a red herring
We've been told numerous times this disagreement is about the release clause not wages
Also people acting like Levy won't be doing everything possible to keep Toby. I can't understand this idea that Levy is secretly here to destroy everything we do ffs
Whilst that may be true, I honestly think the issue is more that a handful of clubs are splashing out over-inflated wages than us underpaying. If you look at the individual wages of rival teams, there is a mixture of:Tbh in the current market most of our best players deserve around £150k pw certainly over £100k, Kane’s up there with the best of the world bar Messi and ronaldo
How is it a red herring ? If the disagreement is about release clause this is just a proxy for wages, why do you want a release clause if not to be able to jump ship to earn higher wages ?
Exactly, the fact he'd probably get a pretty big pay rise as well is just a very convenient side effect from his point of view.Maybe he wants a medal before he retires.