Toby Aldeweireld - Where Is His Contract Extension ?

[Cravenspurs]

His ability to nick the ball off players is second to none. He always puts the right foot in and is calm on the ball. He is aging though and he isn't the same player he was a year ago IMO. Maybe that is due to contractual talks, but he hasn't looked as imperious as he has over the past two years.

But it is clear that he adds a piece to our defense that is really hard to just replace. He is such a cool customer and one of the best readers of the game. Verts also looks much more comfortable with him along side him.

That being said, I still think Dier's natural position is at CB and that all this shuffling about is killing his ability to really focus on a position. A CB three of Verts, Sanchez, Dier, Juan, and maybe another young stud for the next couple of years is one hell of a back line in my book. Juan looks a real find and Sanchez is the buy of the year. Verts isn;t going anywhere in my book.

If Toby were to leave, I would stock our midfield with some much needed depth and creativity. Been banging the drum for years now, but Charles Aranguiz from Bayer wouldn't be that much and would be a perfect comp for Victor. Then spend the rest on a box-to-box creative type. Who? IDK...Saul would be a gem and a half.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Honestly don’t believe Alderweireld is any better than vertonghen. Not sure why he gets hyped that he is think it’s just his hair.

They're a perfect partnership.

 

['O Zio]

I think he's got Neymar's dad as his new agent.

Messi signed a deal with a new release clause - £675m.

The obvious deal to make would be to pay him around what he wants and agree a valuation fee that reflects something of the market valuation. If a player is happy at a club, happy playing his football and happy with life in general, he's unlikely to want to leave.

The release clauses in Spain are often misunderstood over here. It's not really a release clause like you think it is, it's a buyout clause for the player to be able to buy their "freedom" and leave the club. It is a mandatory clause in all contracts there. In practice, they usually get paid this money back from the club they eventually go to, but it isn't anything to do with the asking price for the player really and so isn't a "this is our asking price to let him leave" clause like it is in England. With players like Messi/Ronaldo they usually just set it to a ridiculously high amount in order to effectively nullify it. The Neymar thing was an exception because when his contract was drawn up, nobody could've imagined there would be a team willing/able to pay 200m odd for him.

As for Alderweireld, if he's insisting on a release clause in the English sense, then it's because he wants to have the option to leave to a bigger club/for more money if the opportunity presents itself in a couple of years time. Therefore he's obviously not going to accept a release clause that is higher than he thinks anyone is realistically going to pay because otherwise it defeats the reason he wants it in the first place. So to do what you're suggesting i.e. say "OK well if VVD is worth 75m, then you're worth about the same, so we'll give you a release clause of 75m" isn't going to work because he knows that with his age, his value is only going to decrease over time and so he will presumably be insisting on a release clause that someone will realistically pay for a 30+ year old.

 

[DCSPUR]

IF we lose Toby for big money and potentially Trippier in the summer along with Rose, we would have to bring in 2-3 more players.
I think Toby ends up going for 60+, Danny could easily see a fee of 40 + Shaw, Trippier 30 for an England int. Good money but not easy to get the quality replacements. Ryan and Steve Sessegnon are 25m with Ryan possibly able to have an immediate role.
De Ligt would be an interesting one at 45 mill or so.
Would give us this group

LWB: Shaw, Sessegnon
LCB: Verts, Davies (also a LWB)
CCB: Dier, De Ligt
RCB: Sanchez, Foyth
WB: Aurier, KWP

remaining funds from that alone 50-60 mill but we would be weaker initially....no doubt and let's not kid ourselves....but in time, well there is a lot of talent there.

And if those funds + money from Vinny, Sissoko and GKN are spent wisely ie Barkley, Jadon Sancho, the young Klievert and a big spend on Pulisic....well.....it wouldn't be all bad to be honest

THAT being said, if Toby agreed to give us two years at the new stadium in return for walking for 20-25 mill....would say yes right now

 

[DCSPUR]

Genuinely concerned. Vultures with deep pockets are circling.

hope some of them are of the Parisian or Spanish variety as opposed to those dodgy oil covered ones from Manchester and South London

 

[seanwhite1961]

The release clauses in Spain are often misunderstood over here. It's not really a release clause like you think it is, it's a buyout clause for the player to be able to buy their "freedom" and leave the club. It is a mandatory clause in all contracts there. In practice, they usually get paid this money back from the club they eventually go to, but it isn't anything to do with the asking price for the player really and so isn't a "this is our asking price to let him leave" clause like it is in England. With players like Messi/Ronaldo they usually just set it to a ridiculously high amount in order to effectively nullify it. The Neymar thing was an exception because when his contract was drawn up, nobody could've imagined there would be a team willing/able to pay 200m odd for him.

As for Alderweireld, if he's insisting on a release clause in the English sense, then it's because he wants to have the option to leave to a bigger club/for more money if the opportunity presents itself in a couple of years time. Therefore he's obviously not going to accept a release clause that is higher than he thinks anyone is realistically going to pay because otherwise it defeats the reason he wants it in the first place. So to do what you're suggesting i.e. say "OK well if VVD is worth 75m, then you're worth about the same, so we'll give you a release clause of 75m" isn't going to work because he knows that with his age, his value is only going to decrease over time and so he will presumably be insisting on a release clause that someone will realistically pay for a 30+ year old.

What was Neymar's release clause? 220m Euros. Who paid it? PSG. Who's paying Neymar's wage of 300m euros a week? PSG.

Nothing to do with Neymar buying out his contract or anything else. Barca set it at a price they thought was unachieveable for any club and a club paid it.

Alderweireld knows his worth. It seems to be less than we want to acknowledge. Thus, he wants a safeguard in there to not lose out. Nothing wrong with that. The absurdity of VVD's deal aids him. Being injured for a long period does the same. I see him as being able to perform at the same level at 35. I'd like to see him at the club at that age.

 

['O Zio]

What was Neymar's release clause? 220m Euros. Who paid it? PSG. Who's paying Neymar's wage of 300m euros a week? PSG.

Nothing to do with Neymar buying out his contract or anything else. Barca set it at a price they thought was unachieveable for any club and a club paid it.

That's not true and that was exactly my point. PSG didn't pay Barca anything and it has everything to do with Neymar buying out his contract - Neymar payed his buyout clause so that he could effectively become a "free agent" and he then signed a contract with PSG. As part of his deal with PSG (which they had obviously agreed to beforehand), they paid him the amount the he had to pay Barca to terminate his contract so that he came up even at the end of it. That is just the way contracts work in Spain and it's a mandatory requirement, it doesn't necessarily reflect the club's valuation of the player. It isn't the same thing as the release clause like Toby wants

 

[archiewasking]

How about de Ligt from Ajax ?

Not that they would ever sell to us but I'd take Zouma.

De Ligt is a great call. Can we call him Sunny?

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

De Ligt is a great call. Can we call him Sunny?

Id be De Ligted aswel fella.

 

[Kiedis]

He had some hamstring issues at Soton as well, and missed about 10 league games due to injury. He's had lengthy injuries in the last two seasons, with the 15/16 season being his only injury free season in later years.

This is not me saying "cash in", just throwing it out there.

 

[piedpiper]

This is EXACTLY why we need an owner with deep pockets.. I dont like it and will NEVER respect City/Chelsea trophies as they are bought...

But I've long come to the realization that we will keep being picked off and having our best players heads turned. This is the best squad we have had with our best Striker in a generation... But its still not enough to win trophies the right way.

 

[piedpiper]

His ability to nick the ball off players is second to none. He always puts the right foot in and is calm on the ball. He is aging though and he isn't the same player he was a year ago IMO. Maybe that is due to contractual talks, but he hasn't looked as imperious as he has over the past two years.

But it is clear that he adds a piece to our defense that is really hard to just replace. He is such a cool customer and one of the best readers of the game. Verts also looks much more comfortable with him along side him.

That being said, I still think Dier's natural position is at CB and that all this shuffling about is killing his ability to really focus on a position. A CB three of Verts, Sanchez, Dier, Juan, and maybe another young stud for the next couple of years is one hell of a back line in my book. Juan looks a real find and Sanchez is the buy of the year. Verts isn;t going anywhere in my book.

If Toby were to leave, I would stock our midfield with some much needed depth and creativity. Been banging the drum for years now, but Charles Aranguiz from Bayer wouldn't be that much and would be a perfect comp for Victor. Then spend the rest on a box-to-box creative type. Who? IDK...Saul would be a gem and a half.

Must say i agree on Dier/Sanchez/Verts.

With Wanyama back shielding that defence. We would be okay..

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Must say i agree on Dier/Sanchez/Verts.

With Wanyama back shielding that defence. We would be okay..

Until Vic gets injured again!

Our defence has been much the weaker for the loss of Vic & Toby. Look at the stats.

 

[piedpiper]

Until Vic gets injured again!

Our defence has been much the weaker for the loss of Vic & Toby. Look at the stats.

Yes i agree.. I think that combination of injuries has had a a great impact.

 

[spursfan77]

I'm sure an itk has said before (it's probably in this thread) that the problem with release clauses in English football is that they aren't legally binding or they can be challenged in court. Maybe that's where there is some complication too. He moved ftomSpain where they exist by law while here they don't.

Although if you sign a contract and it's agreed in there then I don't know how you can argue against it.

Edit: in was hertyid back in September.

Release clauses aren't legally binding under English law. So no.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Ryan and Steve Sessegnon are 25m with Ryan possibly able to have an immediate role.



And if those funds + money from Vinny, Sissoko and GKN are spent wisely ie Barkley,

now

According to paper talk , the boats may have already sailed with these two . Chelsea and Barca indicating interest .

 

[slartibartfast]

According to paper talk , the boats may have already sailed with these two . Chelsea and Barca indicating interest .

Sounds like a story generated by their agent to me.

 

[Blackrat1299]

According to paper talk , the boats may have already sailed with these two . Chelsea and Barca indicating interest .

Only because the chavs will spend and we want him for nothing.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Arsene, is that you?

Different situations.

If we're able to take a £25m hit to keep him for one extra season, it's a shame we aren't also able to take a offer him a 4-year £150k deal, as this is only an additional spend of £16.64m (less than the £25m and far less than a half-decent replacement would cost).
The problem is that if one player gets a big pay-rise as a result of digging his heals in, the rest of the squad would do the same. For example, it would be understandable for Vertonghen to demand similar pay to Alderweireld.

Problem is we have no idea what he wants in order to stat. He might want us to pay £300k a week, we might have already offered £150k. All we actually know is that he’s not accepted and that we have him for until July 2020 should we so wish.

 

[WiganSpur]

Now we have Sanchez i'm not as concerned as I once was about this.

Of course I don't want us to lose him but if he goes abroad and for a sizeable fee then there isn't the huge pressure to replace him like there was with Walker going. As I said we already have 3 competent centre halves in Sanchez, Dier and Verts. We'd still need a replacement of course but I think we'd cope as long as the funds were re-invested.

Personally I would go for a LCB to replace him as obviously Verts probably only has 2/3 years left in him now.

There's certainly an argument though that because of his ability we should just let him walk on a free transfer in a couple of years unless we get a very good offer.