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Johnny J

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The thing is that everyone bangs on about Sissoko's poor shooting and passing, but they say nothing of the crap that's served up not infrequently by Dier. Furthermore, Sissoko doesn't get caught out of position like Dier does. So, maybe Poch has liked what he has seen from Sissoko's graft and mental fortitude.
Dier is a CB who can at most stretch to DM. Sissoko is either a CM or an AM. I agree that Dier hasn't been amazing recently in midfield but they have different positions and roles in the team.

Noone expects Dier to have great shooting or even passing; Sissoko's basic technique is objectively woeful, though he can put himself about.
 

E17yid

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So, what was Sanchez doing when he stuck his leg out? Oh, hang on, that fucks up your limp argument, doesn't it?

Sanchez was about 5 meters behind Sissoko who was putting in the half arsed block. The main point is that he was slow to close him down.
 

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Dier is a CB who can at most stretch to DM. Sissoko is either a CM or an AM. I agree that Dier hasn't been amazing recently in midfield but they have different positions and roles in the team.

Noone expects Dier to have great shooting or even passing; Sissoko's basic technique is objectively woeful, though he can put himself about.
Really? Then, how come he gets to take our free kicks, including on England duty, and is allowed to spray the ball around?
 

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Sanchez was about 5 meters behind Sissoko who was putting in the half arsed block. The main point is that he was slow to close him down.
Neither of them closed him down like they should. Similarly, Vertonghen let Mahrez cut inside and shoot. Your main point hasn't been improved one iota.
 

Johnny J

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Really? Then, how come he gets to take our free kicks, including on England duty, and is allowed to spray the ball around?
Perhaps I should rephrase. Great passing isn't usually high on the list of things expected of a DM, so personally (I shouldn't have said "noone expects", on reflection) I am not surprised if he keeps it simple for the most part.

As for free kicks, he's had a few decent ones, that's about as far as that goes.
 

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Dier is a CB who can at most stretch to DM. Sissoko is either a CM or an AM. I agree that Dier hasn't been amazing recently in midfield but they have different positions and roles in the team.

Noone expects Dier to have great shooting or even passing; Sissoko's basic technique is objectively woeful, though he can put himself about.
I forgot to add that Dier fancies himself in midfield and that he envisaged himself playing in that position for Man Utd. Hang on, we're not supposed to bring up that little fact, are we? It's an open secret that Sissoko was going to be sold in the summer, but despite that he has applied himself and got back into the team. I respect him a lot for that. I just don't have a meltdown if he misplaces a pass.
 

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Neither of them closed him down like they should. Similarly, Vertonghen let Mahrez cut inside and shoot. Your main point hasn't been improved one iota.

He was closer as Obiang was coming inside and Sanchez was following the play out wide. Sanchez could’ve done better but as I say Sissoko was closer and should put a lot more pressure on the shot. That attempted block was poor too, you can’t deny that.
 

Johnny J

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I forgot to add that Dier fancies himself in midfield and that he envisaged himself playing in that position for Man Utd. Hang on, we're not supposed to bring up that little fact, are we? It's an open secret that Sissoko was going to be sold in the summer, but despite that he has applied himself and got back into the team. I respect him a lot for that. I just don't have a meltdown if he misplaces a pass.
Dier may well fancy himself playing in midfield for United. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Sissoko got into the team due to injuries, by and large, though I agree that he has obviously knuckled down. I don't have anything against him; I just think he's not good enough.
 

Sweetsman

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Perhaps I should rephrase. Great passing isn't usually high on the list of things expected of a DM, so personally (I shouldn't have said "noone expects", on reflection) I am not surprised if he keeps it simple for the most part.

As for free kicks, he's had a few decent ones, that's about as far as that goes.
Dier thinks himself as more than just a DM. He thought he would play the Carrick role, but they bought Matic instead.
 

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The thing is that everyone bangs on about Sissoko's poor shooting and passing, but they say nothing of the crap that's served up not infrequently by Dier. Furthermore, Sissoko doesn't get caught out of position like Dier does. So, maybe Poch has liked what he has seen from Sissoko's graft and mental fortitude.

He's never in position to start with ;)
 

Sweetsman

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Dier may well fancy himself playing in midfield for United. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Sissoko got into the team due to injuries, by and large, though I agree that he has obviously knuckled down. I don't have anything against him; I just think he's not good enough.
The point is that I don't know whether his poor passing and control is down to him being nervous and trying to do too many things at once, because I have seen him do some neat stuff and that includes passing.
 

Johnny J

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The point is that I don't know whether his poor passing and control is down to him being nervous and trying to do too many things at once, because I have seen him do some neat stuff and that includes passing.
Fair enough, I guess that's possible. Though unlikely, I suspect, given that he's approaching 30 and has regularly started big games for France. Maybe you're right though.
 

Sweetsman

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Dier has nowhere near the passing range of Carrick.
It doesn't matter that he doesn't, it's what he sees himself as. He's a versatile player, but that can be a curse as you don't master one position. That's why he has lost out to Wanyama, who is a destroyer.
 

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He was closer as Obiang was coming inside and Sanchez was following the play out wide. Sanchez could’ve done better but as I say Sissoko was closer and should put a lot more pressure on the shot. That attempted block was poor too, you can’t deny that.
Look, when the goal went in, I was blaming Lloris until I got home. To say that they should have closed him down is all hindsight, because no one expected that from him. I think they thought he was going to cross and so took up positions accordingly; Sanchez turned his head away. It was just a bloody good and very hard shot; it didn't even swerve. Your argument is like saying that Geoff Boycott should've kept out Michael Holding in THAT over in Sabina Park; but the fact is that the final ball was just too fast.
 

Johnny J

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It doesn't matter that he doesn't, it's what he sees himself as. He's a versatile player, but that can be a curse as you don't master one position. That's why he has lost out to Wanyama, who is a destroyer.
I think I've lost track of your argument tbh - I'm not sure why Dier views on where he should play are relevant to whether he should be criticised for poor passing - but I agree that the lack of a settled position for him is holding him back.
 

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I think I've lost track of your argument tbh - I'm not sure why Dier views on where he should play are relevant to whether he should be criticised for poor passing - but I agree that the lack of a settled position for him is holding him back.
My point is that based on how he sees himself, and therefore what is expected of him, his passing isn't that good and quite often lands us in trouble. But my main point is that people should be fair in their criticism when it comes to Sissoko and judge him in the same way others are judged, but this isn't the case and that's what gets my goat. It isn't that his shooting and passing don't frustrate me, but his shooting doesn't annoy me half as much as Dembele not taking shots.
 
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