What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

Gb160 · Feb 4, 2018

mark_2017 said:
I thought the first comment was the rule, has it changed then? I'm so confused.

Although he's in an offside position, he's not actually offside until he gets the ball, as he's not interfering with play, before that happens Lovren gets a touch on the ball, which means Harry's not offside anymore.
There's two phases of play here, before and after Lovren's touch.

mark87 · Feb 4, 2018

Gb160 said:
Although he's in an offside position, he's not actually offside until he gets the ball, he's not interfering with play, before that happens Lovren gets a touch on the ball, which means Harry's not offside anymore.

Ah ok right, thank you.

spursfan77 · Feb 4, 2018

L-man said:
I can't believe there's so much controversy about the penalty decisions

First one Karius admitted in his interivew after that he touched Kane, therefore obvious penalty

Second one Lamela has clearly been booted by Van Dijk. Yeah he was looking for it but he's been kicked, it's such a clear foul

Klopp is just diverting attention from them blowing the win and also is probably embarrassed after running down the touch line celebrating like he’d won the World Cup

Don_Felipe · Feb 4, 2018

*Opens door marked 'internet' tentatively*

SO MUCH SCOUSE WAILING

*slams door*

Calm down, eh?

Gb160 · Feb 4, 2018

mano-obe said:
A defenders touch doesn't nullify an offside, either way not sure why they're complaining, Kane misses the penalty anyway.

It does, Dermot Gallagher clearly explained this after the match.

IGSpur · Feb 4, 2018

It is very similar to the Wimmer/Sanchez incident last year. I don't agree with it but those are the rules. In both case Sanchez and Kane were the aim of the pass. Them being there affected how Wimmer and Lovren would have played the ball, and both caused mistakes, but because neither Sanchez or Kane made a play to the ball or affected it, they are not offside yet.

I think it's stupid as they are clearly affecting play by affecting the defender's decision making, but there you have it.

It is also the reason why Kane was not offside at Old Trafford the time he spat on himself. The ball was going towards him but until he made a play towards it he wasn't offside which the United fans couldn't understand. These things actually happen quite a lot. Another today where the ball was going towards Son, he was clearly offside and going towards the ball, but our players were telling him to leave it as he was going to be offside. He touched it so was of course offside, but if he left it, and our onside player ran onto it, no one would have made an issue of it, even though he initially went for the ball. Should they give it jut because someone makes an action to go towards the ball even if he doesn't touch it?

The fact that they don't leads to the Firmino situation, which could have ended badly, Firmino was clearly running towards the ball having been in an offside position and was affecting the play. Letting him believe he was onside could have led to a nasty collision with Lloris.

squirrel · Feb 4, 2018

Gb160 said:
It does, Dermot Gallagher clearly explained this after the match.

The ball didn’t hit Lovren, he played it and fluffed his clearance, if it just deflects off him Kane is offside, I think is the difference

Qualsonic · Feb 4, 2018

Just like my temples, it’s very much a grey area

Donki · Feb 4, 2018

Gb160 said:
Although he's in an offside position, he's not actually offside until he gets the ball, as he's not interfering with play, before that happens Lovren gets a touch on the ball, which means Harry's not offside anymore.
There's two phases of play here, before and after the ball hits Lovren.

Yeah my understanding too, but a question, if that ball went through then to Karious would it have been a passback? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen goals where a free kick has hit the wall only for it to be poached in then the striker given offside.

taidgh · Feb 4, 2018

mano-obe said:
A defenders touch doesn't nullify an offside, either way not sure why they're complaining, Kane misses the penalty anyway.

New rules quite clearly state a difference between a deflection or "deliberate save" ((i.e. sticking a foot out instinctively) and a "deliberate play" (i.e. having time to try and play the ball). Lovren quite clearly took a big swing at the ball, so deliberately played the ball. That's why Kane isn't offside.

Gb160 · Feb 4, 2018

squirrel said:
The ball didn’t hit Lovren, he played it and fluffed his clearance, if it just deflects off him Kane is offside, I think is the difference

Maybe that's it, regardless he's not offside, which is what a few on here and millions in Liverpool are struggling to comprehend.

Donki said:
Yeah my understanding too, but a question, if that ball went through then to Karious would it have been a passback? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen goals where a free kick has hit the wall only for it to be poached in then the striker given offside.

I think it's as @squirrel said, Lovren attempts to play the ball but just makes a right hash of it.

hughy · Feb 4, 2018

Donki said:
Yeah my understanding too, but a question, if that ball went through then to Karious would it have been a passback? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen goals where a free kick has hit the wall only for it to be poached in then the striker given offside.

The difference is this wouldn't be a deliberate attempt to play the ball, whereas Lovren's "kick" was. Whether he boots it 80 yards up the pitch, or inadvertently knocks it backwards in to Kane's path, the kick was intentional meaning he was creating a new phase of play.

Very little is being made of the fact that Kane has once again made a mug of Lovren, which amuses me greatly... even though Kane misses the subsequent penalty.

sharky127 · Feb 4, 2018

I also like the fact that they all totally ignore the fact that Salah was offside the first time he received the ball in the lbuild up to his second goal. What was more laughable was Sky focusing on Lamela being 0.001mm offside for our second penalty!

Giovanni · Feb 4, 2018

Can i just say something about the first penalty decision that i think nobody has really picked up on. Ive looked again and again and i feel sky and most others have potentially missed it.

It is my belief that that the forward pass that alli makes actually takes 2 deflections. Its is hard to pick up on most angles but it first comes off the player that is directly trying to tackle dele. Deles pass is actually to lamela but is deflected into harrys path. Now why are they all talking about lovrens mistake touch as though it is the one that counts? The ball came off the pool player next to alli and then another (lovren) before harry is even in play

jezz · Feb 4, 2018

L-man said:
I can't believe there's so much controversy about the penalty decisions

First one Karius admitted in his interivew after that he touched Kane, therefore obvious penalty

Second one Lamela has clearly been booted by Van Dijk. Yeah he was looking for it but he's been kicked, it's such a clear foul

Clear as day from the lino view
https://mobile.twitter.com/AA_Richards/status/960226097303576576/video/1

hughy · Feb 4, 2018

sharky127 said:
I also like the fact that they all totally ignore the fact that Salah was offside the first time he received the ball in the lbuild up to his second goal. What was more laughable was Sky focusing on Lamela being 0.001mm offside for our second penalty!

To be fair even Carragher laughed that off by saying his little toe might have been offside but that's it!

whitelanefever · Feb 4, 2018

Gb160 said:
Although he's in an offside position, he's not actually offside until he gets the ball, as he's not interfering with play, before that happens Lovren gets a touch on the ball, which means Harry's not offside anymore.
There's two phases of play here, before and after the ball hits Lovren.

By the rules he was offside..he was in a position in one phase to gain an advantage..offside..

TheChosenOne · Feb 4, 2018

sharky127 said:
I also like the fact that they all totally ignore the fact that Salah was offside the first time he received the ball in the lbuild up to his second goal. What was more laughable was Sky focusing on Lamela being 0.001mm offside for our second penalty!

Did you also see the Alli handball during that run of play when Salah scored the second ?

Gb160 · Feb 4, 2018

whitelanefever said:
By the rules he was offside..he was in a position in one phase to gain an advantage..offside..

Maybe you should let Dermot Gallagher know mate.
Think I'm gonna take his word over yours, no offence.

fletch82 · Feb 4, 2018

Is it wrong that I took great pleasure seeing klipp nearly crying in the interview afterwards ? :sneaky:

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