AFC Bournemouth vs Tottenham Hotspur - Match Thread

davidmatzdorf said:

It's because people (all men, never women) CANNOT CONTROL THEIR RAGE and splutter out infantile, furious expressions of bile.

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Hazardousman said:

I was responding to someone who said people who have criticism during games make it toxic, I fail to see how that is the case when people can ignore it.

But they can't because they can't resist having a dig at other posters for their opinions, trying to incite arguments with other spurs fans and show them how "bad" they are as supporters.

How is that not causing a toxic atmosphere? Feels like a fucking purity test here sometimes.

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Hazardousman said:

This thread becomes toxic because certain posters are more focused on having digs at people because of their reaction during the game and handing out an ”I told you so” than actually discussing our play at that moment.

I honestly don't believe many here have even been to a football match because they must cry tears of sadness if they do.

We might as well just lock the match threads like I said earlier because it will never change, people will always have a reaction during a game because football is an emotion-based sport and it seems some people want to desperately remove that element because it hurts their feelings.

Thank god these people don't police football grounds, they would be soulless.

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Hazardousman said:

I have yet to get a response to this by the way David, you have any evidence to back that remark up? Or are you just virtue signalling?

Just imagine a man saying the same thing about a woman on here, what would Davids response be to that I wonder? *scratches chin*

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MyNameIsNicolaBerti said:

Have you ever considered that constant moaning and negativity during a game frustrates people and that is also causing toxicity?

The problem here is you're criticising the effect while contributing to the cause. Your position is that you should have a free licence to drag everyone down early into as game with repeated negativity and moaning and everyone else should keep their mouths shut because their reaction is somehow the thing that's starts any problems.

If you and those like you were just patient and got behind the team, nobody would have anything negative to react to would they? There's plenty of time after the game for legitimate criticism, especially if we lose.

If you don't like toxicity then the reasonable course of action would be to examine your own contribution to it as much as anyone else's.

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Veuve Clicquot said:

Wow, I thought it was just Piers Morgan and Breibart readers who cry about reverse sexism...

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rossdapep said:

"Wanyama is not playing very well"
"That was a poor cross from Aurier"

Completely legitimate criticism and I have no problem with this whatsoever.

What does my head in (and I'm guessing others) is the relentless stream of posts as such;

"Season's over"
"Aurier is so shit"
"Aurier is a shocking footballer"
"Rose is already thinking of United"
"Alli needs to be benched"

I can and never will understand or get on board with this OTT criticism as I don't see how it contributes, nor do I see why it's necessary.

We are all Tottenham, right? So, whilst a player is at our club it's in our best interests to support them, you only have to look across at Arsenal and West Ham to see why. Poch will ultimately judge whether they are deserving or not and he knows better than us.

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MyNameIsNicolaBerti said:

Since you keep feigning innocence, I went back and had a look at your posts just as you invited David and others to do. Here's some of your comments during the game:-



Of particular note is the second comment about Kane and Dele, explicitly the kind of over the top reaction you denied making, posted half an hour into the game. Otherwise, all negative, all moans, all doom and gloom.

if you're going to call out me and others for making fun of the melting, I'd say it is probably best not to leave a trail of over the top melting behind you. @davidmatzdorf was absolutely right to call out your comment as bullshit as the thread shows that you have been lying when claiming you said nothing. It also shows that it was you who started shitstirring with negativity rather than the people you are now trying to blame for "toxic threads". So basically, STFU.

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MyNameIsNicolaBerti said:

I'm sorry, but when Kane limps off and people say "season over" that's not legitimate criticism. It's a melt. When people call for Alli to be benched because of a few bad moves 20 minutes into a game, that's a melt. When people call for Aurier to be subbed in the first half, that's a melt. When people slag off Sissoko before he's even touched the ball in a game, that's a melt.

Sure some comments are legitimate criticism. But there is also a lot of over the top nonsense that is unnecessary. Some people just don't feel it's necessary to slag off the players or manager when barely a third or half of the game is played and we're capable of winning.

Oh, and it's the person you're defending that started accusing people of making toxic threads, not I.

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jimbo said:

I get why people feel frustration, it's the need to constantly express what you're feeling all the time that is at fault I think. What happened to keeping it yourself? Why is it suddenly so important for the whole fucking world to know what we're all thinking or feeling? It's all part of this endless need for validation.

I want no part of it. Oh, shit. I just did it myself. What a ****.

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rossdapep said:

"Wanyama is not playing very well"
"That was a poor cross from Aurier"

Completely legitimate criticism and I have no problem with this whatsoever.

What does my head in (and I'm guessing others) is the relentless stream of posts as such;

"Season's over"
"Aurier is so shit"
"Aurier is a shocking footballer"
"Rose is already thinking of United"
"Alli needs to be benched"

I can and never will understand or get on board with this OTT criticism as I don't see how it contributes, nor do I see why it's necessary.

We are all Tottenham, right? So, whilst a player is at our club it's in our best interests to support them, you only have to look across at Arsenal and West Ham to see why. Poch will ultimately judge whether they are deserving or not and he knows better than us.

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MyNameIsNicolaBerti said:

Have you ever considered that constant moaning and negativity during a game frustrates people and that is also causing toxicity?

The problem here is you're criticising the effect while contributing to the cause. Your position is that you should have a free licence to drag everyone down early into as game with repeated negativity and moaning and everyone else should keep their mouths shut because their reaction is somehow the thing that's starts any problems.

If you and those like you were just patient and got behind the team, nobody would have anything negative to react to would they? There's plenty of time after the game for legitimate criticism, especially if we lose.

If you don't like toxicity then the reasonable course of action would be to examine your own contribution to it as much as anyone else's.

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Hazardousman said:

I have yet to get a response to this by the way David, you have any evidence to back that remark up? Or are you just virtue signalling?

Just imagine a man saying the same thing about a woman on here, what would Davids response be to that I wonder? *scratches chin*

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Archibald&Crooks said:

I actually think @Phomesy might have a point.

If we have a smiley code that has to be input before making a post in the match thread, perhaps the time taken to input that code would give the anger boys time to reflect......

So, for example

FFS dele you utter ****y Mc****, stop passing to their players you pox riddled cowson

Might become

I say Dele, that wasn't a very good pass

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Hazardousman said:

People can ignore my contribution to the thread, it's not a difficult concept, my position isn't to drag anybody down, if my reactions are "dragging them down" I would say that's more about their own personal inability to hit the ignore button than anything else, also, my opinions in comparison to many others are timid, at best, especially people who attend live matches.

I don't care what other people post in the match day thread, the only thing that I comment on in regards to other posters is when they are going out of their way with the "I told you so" remarks because it seems pointless to me, I mean, they can keep doing it but it just seems a waste of time and only serves to try and cause arguments.

So, if you goto a live match and someone says "For fuck sake pass the ball, you're playing shit!" would you turn around and say to them "Please sir, would you mind waiting until AT LEAST 90 mins before making a statement like that? It's not very productive and it really offends me!"

Or, would you just ignore them and watch the game?

I am simply watching a live game of football and responding to it on a football forum, I am not criticising others for being happy with poor performances or anything of that nature, they can type whatever they wish to type, I don't care if someone is shouting in all caps "FUCK DELE FUCK HIM UP THE ARSE" or whatever, that's their choice, not that I agree with fucking anybody up the arse.

I was responding to someone who said that the toxic atmosphere in these threads are caused by people who are reacting to the game in a "negative" way and I simply said that those people can be ignored as they are not attacking other posters, however, when people are going out of the way to say to people "Well, fuck the Dele haters, shows them right" and making it a purity test of who is the better supporter then you could argue it's causing a toxic atmosphere as it's no longer about the football and more about a post a person is making.

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maltahotspur said:

MoPo said that Danny and Dele issue was only fatigue and not injured

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Hazardousman said:

So you believe sexism only goes one way? Right, got ya.

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Hazardousman said:

who is the calmest member on here that can provide me with the wisdom I need, a perfect being.

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davidmatzdorf said:

Thanks for making my point for me, doing the research I can't be arsed to do.

It's every match thread, every week. It's the same culprits. And then we get the same (@Bobbins) insistence that people are confusing legitimate criticism with expressions of fury. We aren't. We have no difficulty telling the difference at all, because we all post criticism too, instead of posting rage. When we play badly, I'm as harsh as the next civil person, but I don't spit hate at our own players. I don't spit hate at other clubs' fans and players either, but I try to avoid getting involved in that, rather different debate.

The division here is between three groups of people. 1. The rage-babies who splatter this spitting anger at our players, all over every match thread. 2. The people who insist that "it's OK" to behave like that, because it's "reasonable frustration". 3. Normal, sane people who don't enjoy being exposed to toxic characters.

It is not OK to behave like that, to vent fury and hate in a public place - and this is a public place.

People are hiding behind their usernames. It's very conspicuous that the small minority of us who use our real names never do this. It's not a coincidence, which is why I used the word "coward" in an earlier post. It's people who think it's OK to behave on the internet in ways they might get arrested for, if they did it in person and took responsibility for the way they act.

When people cannot exert enough self-control to suppress this degree of panic, hate and howling rage online, then they are trolls: they are not good people. They are cowards, hiding behind pseudonyms so they can vent their socially unacceptable level of anger all over the rest of us.

My tactic has long been to avoid the match threads during games. But when I come on here after a 4-1 away win, after we have overcome the loss of our best player to win in a canter, and find that they're still at it, an hour or more after the final whistle, it's not OK. It's trolling.

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