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spursfan77

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Starter for Ten.

Ever since the Steele dossier was shown to be flaky and lacking in evidence, Chabad links to Trump Org have allegedly become the new focus of Mueller's probe into supposed Trump-Russia collusion.

Below is a mainstream source - Politico - which includes details of Abramovich's bankrolling of Chabad, with a predictable focus on links to Trump.

Given the current rampant Russophobia and demonisation of Putin, from his own perspective Abramovich is wise to take himself out of US extradition range.

A couple of snippets:

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Starting in 1999, Putin enlisted two of his closest confidants, the oligarchs Lev Leviev and Roman Abramovich, who would go on to become Chabad’s biggest patrons worldwide, to create the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia under the leadership of Chabad rabbi Berel Lazar, who would come to be known as “Putin’s rabbi.”
A few years later, Trump would seek out Russian projects and capital by joining forces with a partnership called Bayrock-Sapir, led by Soviet emigres Tevfik Arif, Felix Sater and Tamir Sapir—who maintain close ties to Chabad. The company’s ventures would lead to multiple lawsuits alleging fraud and a criminal investigation of a condo project in Manhattan.


(snip)

Kushner and Ivanka Trump are also close with Abramovich’s wife, Dasha Zhukova. Abramovich, an industrialist worth more than $7 billion and the owner of the British soccer club Chelsea FC, is the former governor of the Russian province of Chukotka, where he is still revered as a hero. He owes his fortune to his triumphant emergence from Russia’s post-Soviet “aluminum wars,” in which more than 100 people are estimated to have died in fighting over control of aluminum refineries. Abramovich admitted in 2008 that he amassed his assets by paying billions of dollars in bribes. In 2011, his former business partner, the late Boris Berezovsky—an oligarch who had fallen out with Putin and gone on to live in exile at the Trump International on Central Park West—accused him of threats, blackmail and intimidation in a lawsuit in the United Kingdom, which Abramovich won.

Abramovich was reportedly the first person to recommend to Yeltsin that he choose Putin as his successor. In their 2004 biography of Abramovich, the British journalists Chris Hutchins and Dominic Midgely write, “When Putin needed a shadowy force to act against his enemies behind the scenes, it was Abramovich whom he could rely on to prove a willing co-conspirator.” The biographers compare the two men’s relationship to that between a father and a son and report that Abramovich personally interviewed candidates for Putin’s first cabinet. He has reportedly gifted Putin a $30 million yacht, though Putin denies it.

Abramovich’s vast business holdings and his personal life overlap with Trump’s world in multiple ways.

According to a 2012 report from researchers at Cornell University, Evraz, a firm partly owned by Abramovich, has contracts to provide 40 percent of the steel for the Keystone XL pipeline, a project whose completion was approved by Trump in March after years of delay. And in 2006, Abramovich purchased a large stake in the Russian oil giant Rosneft, a company now being scrutinized for its possible role in alleged collusion between Trump and Russia. Both Trump and the Kremlin have dismissed as "fake news" a dossier that alleges that a recent sale of Rosneft shares was part of a scheme to ease U.S. sanctions on Russia.

Meanwhile, his wife, Zhukova, has long traveled in the same social circles as Kushner and Ivanka Trump: She is a friend and business partner of Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife Wendi Deng, one of Ivanka’s closest friends, and a friend of Karlie Kloss, the longtime girlfriend of Kushner’s brother, Josh.

(snip)

In 2013, a $50 million Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center opened in Moscow under the auspices of Chabad and with funding from Abramovich. Putin donated a month of his salary to the project, while the Federal Security Service, the successor to the KGB, pitched in by offering relevant documents from its archives.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...sh-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

Lev Leviev....surely thats not a real person?!?!
 

yanno

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Lev Leviev....surely thats not a real person?!?!

My emphasis in bold:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/24/jared-kushner-new-york-russia-money-laundering

Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of Donald Trump, who acts as his senior White House adviser, secured a multimillion-dollar Manhattan real estate deal with a Soviet-born oligarch whose company was cited in a major New York money laundering case now being investigated by members of Congress.
A Guardian investigation has established a series of overlapping ties and relationships involving alleged Russian money laundering, New York real estate deals and members of Trump’s inner circle. They include a 2015 sale of part of the old New York Times building in Manhattan involving Kushner and a billionaire real estate tycoon and diamond mogul, Lev Leviev.
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Leviev, a global tycoon known as the “king of diamonds”, was a business partner of the Russian-owned company Prevezon Holdings that was at the center of a multimillion-dollar lawsuit launched in New York. Under the leadership of US attorney Preet Bharara, who was fired by Trump in March, prosecutors pursued Prevezon for allegedly attempting to use Manhattan real estate deals to launder money stolen from the Russian treasury.
The scam had been uncovered by Sergei Magnitsky, an accountant who died in 2009 in a Moscow jail in suspicious circumstances. US sanctions against Russia imposed after Magnitsky’s death were a central topic of conversation at the notorious Trump Tower meeting last June between Kushner, Donald Trump Jr, Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and a Russian lawyer with ties to the Kremlin.
 

beats1

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I would be amazed if it was closer and steeper than what ours would be, from what I've read in the new stadium thread we are at the limit in regards to the rake and how close we are to the pitch. New builds have restrictions and I believe stands have to be a certain distance from the field
It is more steeper and closer than ours, look at the blueprints yourself

The rules for being close to a pitch, isn't a rule but a guideline which says you should be 8m from the pitch but chelsea have ignored it for all sides of the pitch whilst we only ignored it for one end

Here are the plans showing the internal comparisons

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EJWTartanSpur

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Yes, the Shed End seems to be bringing out a lot of strange and confused posts right now. I enjoyed this one...

"Roman is a big part of our success, but to be honest we are now the 8th wealthiest club in Europe purely on the back of what we make on our own"

Hmm. Seems like a faintly ridiculous notion. Presumably the figures mentioned on the rich list are gross incomings ie the £367.8 million ? They do nothing on a surface level to explain where all the incomings are coming from, and how much the outgoings are. Chelsea owe Abramovich around £1.1 billion so its laughable to suggest that they have attained that positioning on the rich list off 'their own back' when you factor in how his personal money has created success, exposure etc for the club which then has a direct bearing on the figures you can achieve as a brand for sponsorships etc. Not to mention that if he calls in the loan it is tantamount to THREE YEARS GROSS revenue, even at an interest free rate.

Furthermore, presumably, any prospective buyer will have to pay off the debts of the club so we are talking about £1 billion just to get back to zero. This could obviously be paid for with other loans taken out by the buyer, but is a vast sum of money to simply set back to an even keel.

Anyways, there are others on here with better awareness of football finances than me, but some of the Chelsea fans comments really are ridiculous.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Are you serious? A concrete cage. Something out of football's Mad Max 3.

At least the new Chelsea stadium design was innovative, had some architectural interest and merit and challenged the perceived norms, made some kind of architectural statement. Which is the least such a monumentally huge and expensive building should do.

All we’ve built is a circular airport terminal, that mimics the emirates.
 

Cornpattbuck

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At least the new Chelsea stadium design was innovative, had some architectural interest and merit and challenged the perceived norms, made some kind of architectural statement. Which is the least such a monumentally huge and expensive building should do.

All we’ve built is a circular airport terminal, that mimics the emirates.

Chelsea's design looks like a Footballer's Wives version of the Globe Theatre.

I'm no architecture critic though, so may be missing something.
 

Trix

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At least the new Chelsea stadium design was innovative, had some architectural interest and merit and challenged the perceived norms, made some kind of architectural statement. Which is the least such a monumentally huge and expensive building should do.

All we’ve built is a circular airport terminal, that mimics the emirates.

Not really bothered about the aesthetics. All about the functionality, the capacity and the atmosphere inside for me.
 

sebo_sek

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At least the new Chelsea stadium design was innovative, had some architectural interest and merit and challenged the perceived norms, made some kind of architectural statement. Which is the least such a monumentally huge and expensive building should do.

All we’ve built is a circular airport terminal, that mimics the emirates.
Wow...
After all this time some have found a way to be unhappy about the most modern football stadium on earth, designed with passion and purpose. You should petition Roman to change his mind.
Having an opinion about Little USSR is one thing, but having a dig at us in the process is a different issue all together.
 

Saoirse

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To think RA almost bought us, and we could possibly be in this position now...
I remember being in the pub on opening day a few seasons back - we were away to Man United, losing to a Walker own-goal. There was a Chelsea fan in there who regaled me and my old man with the story of how Abramovich nearly bought us instead, embellished with a bit about how he'd flown above Stamford Bridge in his helicopter on the way to White Hart Lane and knew he wanted Chelsea. He saw this as a way of gloating, but we said quite honestly that we'd have never wanted to be bought out in the way they were, relying on corrupt money and going for instant success rather than building it. He genuinely could not understand. If things go as poorly as they look right now for them, I'd love to bump into him again next season and see what he thinks.
 

popstar7

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Starter for Ten.

Ever since the Steele dossier was shown to be flaky and lacking in evidence, Chabad links to Trump Org have allegedly become the new focus of Mueller's probe into supposed Trump-Russia collusion.

Below is a mainstream source - Politico - which includes details of Abramovich's bankrolling of Chabad, with a predictable focus on links to Trump.

Given the current rampant Russophobia and demonisation of Putin, from his own perspective Abramovich is wise to take himself out of US extradition range.

A couple of snippets:

-------------------------------

Starting in 1999, Putin enlisted two of his closest confidants, the oligarchs Lev Leviev and Roman Abramovich, who would go on to become Chabad’s biggest patrons worldwide, to create the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia under the leadership of Chabad rabbi Berel Lazar, who would come to be known as “Putin’s rabbi.”
A few years later, Trump would seek out Russian projects and capital by joining forces with a partnership called Bayrock-Sapir, led by Soviet emigres Tevfik Arif, Felix Sater and Tamir Sapir—who maintain close ties to Chabad. The company’s ventures would lead to multiple lawsuits alleging fraud and a criminal investigation of a condo project in Manhattan.


(snip)

Kushner and Ivanka Trump are also close with Abramovich’s wife, Dasha Zhukova. Abramovich, an industrialist worth more than $7 billion and the owner of the British soccer club Chelsea FC, is the former governor of the Russian province of Chukotka, where he is still revered as a hero. He owes his fortune to his triumphant emergence from Russia’s post-Soviet “aluminum wars,” in which more than 100 people are estimated to have died in fighting over control of aluminum refineries. Abramovich admitted in 2008 that he amassed his assets by paying billions of dollars in bribes. In 2011, his former business partner, the late Boris Berezovsky—an oligarch who had fallen out with Putin and gone on to live in exile at the Trump International on Central Park West—accused him of threats, blackmail and intimidation in a lawsuit in the United Kingdom, which Abramovich won.

Abramovich was reportedly the first person to recommend to Yeltsin that he choose Putin as his successor. In their 2004 biography of Abramovich, the British journalists Chris Hutchins and Dominic Midgely write, “When Putin needed a shadowy force to act against his enemies behind the scenes, it was Abramovich whom he could rely on to prove a willing co-conspirator.” The biographers compare the two men’s relationship to that between a father and a son and report that Abramovich personally interviewed candidates for Putin’s first cabinet. He has reportedly gifted Putin a $30 million yacht, though Putin denies it.

Abramovich’s vast business holdings and his personal life overlap with Trump’s world in multiple ways.

According to a 2012 report from researchers at Cornell University, Evraz, a firm partly owned by Abramovich, has contracts to provide 40 percent of the steel for the Keystone XL pipeline, a project whose completion was approved by Trump in March after years of delay. And in 2006, Abramovich purchased a large stake in the Russian oil giant Rosneft, a company now being scrutinized for its possible role in alleged collusion between Trump and Russia. Both Trump and the Kremlin have dismissed as "fake news" a dossier that alleges that a recent sale of Rosneft shares was part of a scheme to ease U.S. sanctions on Russia.

Meanwhile, his wife, Zhukova, has long traveled in the same social circles as Kushner and Ivanka Trump: She is a friend and business partner of Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife Wendi Deng, one of Ivanka’s closest friends, and a friend of Karlie Kloss, the longtime girlfriend of Kushner’s brother, Josh.

(snip)

In 2013, a $50 million Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center opened in Moscow under the auspices of Chabad and with funding from Abramovich. Putin donated a month of his salary to the project, while the Federal Security Service, the successor to the KGB, pitched in by offering relevant documents from its archives.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...sh-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

Didn't realise Abramovich was tied in with Felix Sater, Bayrock and that mob in Trump Tower (and when I say 'mob' I mean mob). Shouldn't be surprised, I suppose. Money from Russia, Qatar, UAE is stinking up everything from the Premier League and FIFA to the White House and far beyond.
 

TheChosenOne

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Didn't realise Abramovich was tied in with Felix Sater, Bayrock and that mob in Trump Tower (and when I say 'mob' I mean mob). Shouldn't be surprised, I suppose. Money from Russia, Qatar, UAE is stinking up everything from the Premier League and FIFA to the White House and far beyond.

I noticed there are a few court cases going on at the moment, including this one in Switzerland :-
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/court-action_russian-billionaire-appears-in-swiss-court/44089684
 

worcestersauce

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Didn't realise Abramovich was tied in with Felix Sater, Bayrock and that mob in Trump Tower (and when I say 'mob' I mean mob). Shouldn't be surprised, I suppose. Money from Russia, Qatar, UAE is stinking up everything from the Premier League and FIFA to the White House and far beyond.
You honestly didn't know that he was a corrupt Russian mobster? I genuinely thought everybody knew how he made his fortune.
 

popstar7

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I knew where his money came from. I wasn't aware of the New York links. Specifically the sleazier parts of Trumpworld.
 
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