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Phomesy

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Another great ball by Dele after a lot of good sharp passing and movement
 

WiganSpur

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I think Rashford did enough tonight to get ahead of Sterling for the time being. In a 3-5-2 I can see him working better with Kane. Not that Rashford is better but for this system I think Rashford could be a better fit.

This would be my team atm with the 3-5-2:

Pickford
Walker Dier Stones
Trippier -------Delph--------- Rose
Alli ----- Lingard
Kane ----Rashford


There's even an argument to drop Walker and bring Maguire in on the left side of the 3.
 

Reece

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I thought Dele was pretty poor when he came on, but then goes and gets an assist.

End of the day the defence will be the undoing of this team. Come up against a half decent attack and we will get slid down the sides. Back three’s have to be really good individuals. Will be a shame because it sounds like Southgate is doing the right things at the top man management wise.
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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Not much to dislike there. Costa Rica looked to play their defensive game and England thoroughly outplayed them.
Delph my MOTM.

Can't say I ever expected to see England play a 3-3-3-1... We truly are in the future.
 

Bus-Conductor

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I think Rashford did enough tonight to get ahead of Sterling for the time being. In a 3-5-2 I can see him working better with Kane. Not that Rashford is better but for this system I think Rashford could be a better fit.

This would be my team atm with the 3-5-2:

Pickford
Walker Dier Stones
Trippier -------Delph--------- Rose
Alli ----- Lingard
Kane ----Rashford


There's even an argument to drop Walker and bring Maguire in on the left side of the 3.


Disagree mate, I thought Rashford was terrible. His movement is nowhere near as intelligent as Sterling's and his choices are so often poor. I think he'll just end up getting in Kane's way, wheres Sterling is completely different and plays for the team not himself, like Rashford does.

I thought that game tonight had plenty of energy but was woefully lacking in quality. The decision making in the final third was atrocious.

I'd go:

Pickford
Walker----------Dier-----------McGuire

Trippier--------Henderson--------Delph--------Rose

Alli
Sterling------------kane​



I wish he'd been even braver and taken someone like Sancho and also at least one of Wiltshire or Lallana, some more creative footballers who can do something inventive. At the moment there's only really Alli who has any kind of vision and ability to deliver it.
 

WiganSpur

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Disagree mate, I thought Rashford was terrible. His movement is nowhere near as intelligent as Sterling's and his choices are so often poor. I think he'll just end up getting in Kane's way, wheres Sterling is completely different and plays for the team not himself, like Rashford does.

I thought that game tonight had plenty of energy but was woefully lacking in quality. The decision making in the final third was atrocious.

I'd go:

Pickford
Walker----------Dier-----------McGuire

Trippier--------Henderson--------Delph--------Rose

Alli
Sterling------------kane​



I wish he'd been even braver and taken someone like Sancho and also at least one of Wiltshire or Lallana, some more creative footballers who can do something inventive. At the moment there's only really Alli who has any kind of vision and ability to deliver it.
I thought he was lively and energetic today myself. Showed skill, but did so productively which allowed him to beat a man.

Sterling I am yet to be convinced by in an England shirt. I think he's better on the right myself where he plays for City, playing one-twos in and around the box and delivering final balls for tap ins. It takes him out of shooting positions as well especially with his left foot.

I'm starting to see what Southgate is actually trying to do and that's got to be a plus. There is some dynamism there which I like, but it does still lack intelligence and craft. That's why Alli is a must. As soon as he came on tonight he was productive. It's a shame Lallana is half cooked and I reckon Southgate should have had the balls to go for Foden. One more player like that would have been helpful to get us a nice balance.
 

Bus-Conductor

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I thought he was lively and energetic today myself. Showed skill, but did so productively which allowed him to beat a man.

Sterling I am yet to be convinced by in an England shirt. I think he's better on the right myself where he plays for City, playing one-twos in and around the box and delivering final balls for tap ins. It takes him out of shooting positions as well especially with his left foot.

I'm starting to see what Southgate is actually trying to do and that's got to be a plus. There is some dynamism there which I like, but it does still lack intelligence and craft. That's why Alli is a must. As soon as he came on tonight he was productive. It's a shame Lallana is half cooked and I reckon Southgate should have had the balls to go for Foden. One more player like that would have been helpful to get us a nice balance.

I think Sterling's a must myself. Much prefer him to Rashford, but agree with the rest. There is something refreshingly earnest about this team.
 

Timberwolf

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For all of Sterlings terrible finishing, his positional play, dangerous runs, link play on the left and all round dynamism in that first half against Nigeria absolutely eclipse anything I've seen from Rashford.

But then Rashford can actually shoot...

I think for the sake of the team Sterling is a much better option, but Rashford's a solid yet unpredictable option to bring off the bench if we're struggling to break a team down.
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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Based on that performance I'd go with:

Pickford

Jones Stones Maguire

Walker Dier Rose

Lingard Rashford Delph

Kane
I don't think this side relies on incisive passing to pick a lock and nor should it because that's not our strength, like it or not. Overloads out wide with Kane and Rashford rotating creates the danger.
 

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Bodes well for the Tunisia and Panama games at least. Obviously Belgium is a different kettle of fish, but we can only beat the teams who we had in front of us. Besides, all going to plan that game should be a 1st/2nd place play-off match.

I don't think there was a single player who played in either of the two games who seriously under performed. Southgate will know his starting 11, and for the first time I actually trust him. Still think the quarter finals would be a great achievement with this squad, but they're certainly teasing us with flashes of quality that suggests we could go further.
 

taricco

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Let's not pretend Rashford is a super clinical finisher. Yes, he scored a great goal and had some exciting individual moments, but he's not the messiah. I think Sterling has had an awesome season - 20x that of Rashford - and is borderline world class. The havoc he causes opposition defences (with goals or not) is essential for this England team.
 

Shadydan

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You can't drop Sterling IMO, get a into unbelievable positions. Because his movement and anticipation is really good, we need that.
 

nailsy

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I think Rashford did enough tonight to get ahead of Sterling for the time being. In a 3-5-2 I can see him working better with Kane. Not that Rashford is better but for this system I think Rashford could be a better fit.

This would be my team atm with the 3-5-2:

Pickford
Walker Dier Stones
Trippier -------Delph--------- Rose
Alli ----- Lingard
Kane ----Rashford


There's even an argument to drop Walker and bring Maguire in on the left side of the 3.

I doubt Walker would be dropped in that scenario... He'd move back to RB at Trippiers expense.
 

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http://www.espn.co.uk/football/engl...ttenham-players-tony-adams?ex_cid=fw_affid267

people should stop asking Tony Adams things.

"You must be able to handle winning emotionally and mentally and if they don't know how to win it, they aren't going to win it," Adams said.

"I'm really worried about these Tottenham players. I don't think they know how to win. They're very good players, but at certain points in seasons and tournaments, you have to step up. There's a psyche [that] players must have."



Yeh, and every tournament since 1966?
 

SugarRay

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The only certainty with this England side is that at some stage, John Stones will cost us a goal.

I wouldn’t start him at all. Both Dier and Maguire are better than him.
 

mark87

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The only certainty with this England side is that at some stage, John Stones will cost us a goal.

I wouldn’t start him at all. Both Dier and Maguire are better than him.

Gooner friend said that rose will cost us atleast one goal and thinks he's always been suspect defensively. Honestly don't know what these gooners go on about.
 

SugarRay

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Let's not pretend Rashford is a super clinical finisher. Yes, he scored a great goal and had some exciting individual moments, but he's not the messiah. I think Sterling has had an awesome season - 20x that of Rashford - and is borderline world class. The havoc he causes opposition defences (with goals or not) is essential for this England team.

Rashford had a great first half th either night but it went to his head a touch. More than once he was in a great position to deliver an early cross yet decided he wanted to try and beat his man only to lose it.
The decision making of him and Sterling leaves a lot to be desired.

If Sterling had any nous and composure in the final third, Kane would score 8 in this tournament, and that’s even with England going out in the quarters! Sterling gets in to great positions and creates havoc for defences but his final delivery and general decision making process is terrible.

Against Nigeria Kane would have had the easiest first half hat trick of all time had Sterling spotted him.
 
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